Not so fast on the NFL qb draft train for next year
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I really like Clayton Thorson, qb, Northwestern. But Ryan Finley is even better. I'm not impressed with Darnold and Rosen, etc.
What I would look for in a qb, is like Wentz... Let other goofs spar over Rosen and Darnold... and the other high rated qb's.
I would pick Thorson (second round?) or Finley (mid/late first round), in the first round. Finley could very well be rated Wentz high, if he really keeps on impressing in school the rest of the year.
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I really like Clayton Thorson, qb, Northwestern. But Ryan Finley is even better. I'm not impressed with Darnold and Rosen, etc.
What I would look for in a qb, is like Wentz... Let other goofs spar over Rosen and Darnold... and the other high rated qb's.
I would pick Thorson (second round?) or Finley (mid/late first round), in the first round. Finley could very well be rated Wentz high, if he really keeps on impressing in school the rest of the year.
I really like Clayton Thorson, qb, Northwestern. But Ryan Finley is even better. I'm not impressed with Darnold and Rosen, etc.
What I would look for in a qb, is like Wentz... Let other goofs spar over Rosen and Darnold... and the other high rated qb's.
I would pick Thorson (second round?) or Finley (mid/late first round), in the first round. Finley could very well be rated Wentz high, if he really keeps on impressing in school the rest of the year.
Too damn early to start worrying Cal. It will get sorted out in due time.
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I know. lol. Just frustrated - my mock draft keeps having Barkely, rb, Penn St. as the first pick.
I hate that - but he IS a rare, elite player, a game breaker. Arguing about the Browns losing so far is just
not workin for me. Although, I get to go this Sunday to the Tenn game with Canton Mike - so I predict they will
get their first win.
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Why is Barkley so hyped? He can catch the ball, and that's definitely enormously valuable, but his rushing stats are absolutely nothing to write home about. He was held under 3 ypc against Indiana, under 100 yards against Pitt (despite the starters playing the entire game), and if you take out his 33 yard long run (a practice I like to do to get more of a median ypc) against Georgia State, he had 9 carries for 14 yards.
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It's too early to accurately judge these QB's, but I have to say, I'm NOT thrilled with Darnold OR Rosen at this point. The one guy I'd consider taking early is Lamar Jackson, but even he is such a project in my eyes. His physical gifts are indescribable, but can he sit in the pocket and read the field? Deliver the ball accurately with anticipation? Stay healthy? I just don't know.
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Lamar Jackson will never play QB in the NFL. I love his abilities, just not at QB. He should play some receiver in college, just so we can see what he has.
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Why is Barkely hyped? He runs a 4.33, That's over 225 lbs. He as 5* agility, explosiveness...is being compared to Zeke Elliot - maybe even better. Sure, the link is a few highlights playing Akron. But he has made USC look silly, too. He is that special.
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Why is Barkley so hyped? He can catch the ball, and that's definitely enormously valuable, but his rushing stats are absolutely nothing to write home about. He was held under 3 ypc against Indiana, under 100 yards against Pitt (despite the starters playing the entire game), and if you take out his 33 yard long run (a practice I like to do to get more of a median ypc) against Georgia State, he had 9 carries for 14 yards.
Why is Barkley so hyped? He can catch the ball, and that's definitely enormously valuable, but his rushing stats are absolutely nothing to write home about. He was held under 3 ypc against Indiana, under 100 yards against Pitt (despite the starters playing the entire game), and if you take out his 33 yard long run (a practice I like to do to get more of a median ypc) against Georgia State, he had 9 carries for 14 yards.
stats only tell so much. Indiana scared the heck out of Ohio State for a half - they are a very good football team. When a good defensegame plans to stop the run, any rb is going to have less yards. If you added Barkely and Ridley (wr) to the Browns' offense, it would rock.
BTW, Someday, the Browns have to find another Joe Thomas.
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Why is Barkely hyped? He runs a 4.33, That's over 225 lbs. He as 5* agility, explosiveness...is being compared to Zeke Elliot - maybe even better. Sure, the link is a few highlights playing Akron. But he has made USC look silly, too. He is that special.
Why is Barkely hyped? He runs a 4.33, That's over 225 lbs. He as 5* agility, explosiveness...is being compared to Zeke Elliot - maybe even better. Sure, the link is a few highlights playing Akron. But he has made USC look silly, too. He is that special.
So you’re saying the reason Barkley is hyped is..... because he is hyped?
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Why is Barkley so hyped? He can catch the ball, and that's definitely enormously valuable, but his rushing stats are absolutely nothing to write home about. He was held under 3 ypc against Indiana, under 100 yards against Pitt (despite the starters playing the entire game), and if you take out his 33 yard long run (a practice I like to do to get more of a median ypc) against Georgia State, he had 9 carries for 14 yards.
stats only tell so much. Indiana scared the heck out of Ohio State for a half - they are a very good football team. When a good defensegame plans to stop the run, any rb is going to have less yards. If you added Barkely and Ridley (wr) to the Browns' offense, it would rock.
BTW, Someday, the Browns have to find another Joe Thomas.
stats only tell so much. Indiana scared the heck out of Ohio State for a half - they are a very good football team. When a good defensegame plans to stop the run, any rb is going to have less yards. If you added Barkely and Ridley (wr) to the Browns' offense, it would rock.
BTW, Someday, the Browns have to find another Joe Thomas.
Zeke Elliot ran for 200 yards against Alabama. If it’s a one-off bad game, then ok. But 3 in 7 games? No bueno.
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Why is Barkely hyped? He runs a 4.33, That's over 225 lbs. He as 5* agility, explosiveness...is being compared to Zeke Elliot - maybe even better. Sure, the link is a few highlights playing Akron. But he has made USC look silly, too. He is that special.
So you’re saying the reason Barkley is hyped is..... because he is hyped?
So you’re saying the reason Barkley is hyped is..... because he is hyped?
Inception.
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I really like Clayton Thorson, qb, Northwestern. But Ryan Finley is even better. I'm not impressed with Darnold and Rosen, etc.
What I would look for in a qb, is like Wentz... Let other goofs spar over Rosen and Darnold... and the other high rated qb's.
I would pick Thorson (second round?) or Finley (mid/late first round), in the first round. Finley could very well be rated Wentz high, if he really keeps on impressing in school the rest of the year.
I really like Clayton Thorson, qb, Northwestern. But Ryan Finley is even better. I'm not impressed with Darnold and Rosen, etc.
What I would look for in a qb, is like Wentz... Let other goofs spar over Rosen and Darnold... and the other high rated qb's.
I would pick Thorson (second round?) or Finley (mid/late first round), in the first round. Finley could very well be rated Wentz high, if he really keeps on impressing in school the rest of the year.
I told people that I thought perhaps the 2017 QB draft class would prove to be just as good or better than the 2018 class..and I think that may well still be true. But Oh so many said that 2017 was a bad year for QBs and the 2018 would become the next best thing to the 1983 draft class. Well, we will see.
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stats only tell so much. Indiana scared the heck out of Ohio State for a half - they are a very good football team. When a good defensegame plans to stop the run, any rb is going to have less yards. If you added Barkely and Ridley (wr) to the Browns' offense, it would rock.
BTW, Someday, the Browns have to find another Joe Thomas.
Zeke Elliot ran for 200 yards against Alabama. If it’s a one-off bad game, then ok. But 3 in 7 games? No bueno.
Zeke Elliot ran for 200 yards against Alabama. If it’s a one-off bad game, then ok. But 3 in 7 games? No bueno.
Not playing for penn st he didn't. in 2017, Ohio State had the #8 offensive line in college football.
The Penn state offensive line was 27th on the list. Their stats aren't going to be the same - not any kind of comparison
to their respective skill levels as rb's that I would go with.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-50-offensive-lines-2017
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penn state has come along way in a very short time considering what had happened to their program. to draft RB first pick (let's say #3 pick) is just worrisome to me. QBs suck compared to last 3 years of stud pros. BUT who even knows any more?
dak prescott and watson i would have erased off the board....but wentz and goff?
doesn't analytics solve all these probs?
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Why is Barkley so hyped? He can catch the ball, and that's definitely enormously valuable, but his rushing stats are absolutely nothing to write home about. He was held under 3 ypc against Indiana, under 100 yards against Pitt (despite the starters playing the entire game), and if you take out his 33 yard long run (a practice I like to do to get more of a median ypc) against Georgia State, he had 9 carries for 14 yards.
Why is Barkley so hyped? He can catch the ball, and that's definitely enormously valuable, but his rushing stats are absolutely nothing to write home about. He was held under 3 ypc against Indiana, under 100 yards against Pitt (despite the starters playing the entire game), and if you take out his 33 yard long run (a practice I like to do to get more of a median ypc) against Georgia State, he had 9 carries for 14 yards.
If you don't understand the hype about Barkley you've haven't watched the dude play. I'd make a logical argument he's a better prospect than Ezekial Elliott and Lenoard Fournette. I'm not saying the dude is right for the Browns, but he's a beast.
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QB next year so we can take nicky b. the following year.
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I really like Clayton Thorson, qb, Northwestern. But Ryan Finley is even better. I'm not impressed with Darnold and Rosen, etc.
What I would look for in a qb, is like Wentz... Let other goofs spar over Rosen and Darnold... and the other high rated qb's.
I would pick Thorson (second round?) or Finley (mid/late first round), in the first round. Finley could very well be rated Wentz high, if he really keeps on impressing in school the rest of the year.
Too damn early to start worrying Cal. It will get sorted out in due time.
Too damn early to start worrying Cal. It will get sorted out in due time.
It’s never too early to start worrying. Browns are terrible at developing QBs, so taking a project guy may not be as good as taking the most pro ready QB, which would be Rosen. Hell, with a half dozen picks in the first two rounds the Browns could take several QBs, keep the one who looks best and trade the other for yet more draft picks. This is such a mother lode that the FO surely could not eff it up. I read somewhere that Rosen might stay in school another year rather than risk going to the Browns, though. Worst case scenario, Steelers trade up to get Rosen, they plug him in and he develops just as B.B. retires, to torture the Browns for the next 10 or 15 years.
We live in interesting times.
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it's a lot easier to develop a young qb when he has terrific skill people, and offensive linemen, around him.
If you do get a top qb, THEN you don't have to draft one, and you can hopefully fix your oline, rb/te/ and wr situation
before your qb gets his career cut short with injury. I see greatness in Kizer as a possibility - it's still very early.
If Troy Aikman can be 0-11 his rookie year, by golly if Kizer starts getting it this Sunday, we're good to go.
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From yahoo fantasy football:
"Sammy Watkins caught 1-of-4 targets for 11 yards in the Rams' Week 6 win over the Jaguars.
Advice: It was Watkins' third straight week on a milk carton with Jared Goff struggling mightily under center. One of his missed connections was a would-be 58-yard touchdown where Goff uncorked an inexcusably inaccurate pass under little-to-no-pressure."
It just isn't easy. I'm looking for Kizer to turn the corner !
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I really like Clayton Thorson, qb, Northwestern. But Ryan Finley is even better. I'm not impressed with Darnold and Rosen, etc.
What I would look for in a qb, is like Wentz... Let other goofs spar over Rosen and Darnold... and the other high rated qb's.
I would pick Thorson (second round?) or Finley (mid/late first round), in the first round. Finley could very well be rated Wentz high, if he really keeps on impressing in school the rest of the year.
Attaboy... hang in there, cal. It can happen...
I really like Clayton Thorson, qb, Northwestern. But Ryan Finley is even better. I'm not impressed with Darnold and Rosen, etc.
What I would look for in a qb, is like Wentz... Let other goofs spar over Rosen and Darnold... and the other high rated qb's.
I would pick Thorson (second round?) or Finley (mid/late first round), in the first round. Finley could very well be rated Wentz high, if he really keeps on impressing in school the rest of the year.
Finding QB nuggets is fun isn't it?
Second Request: What are you seeing in Thorson?
I like Finley as well. This year as opposed to last he is showing up in big games against better opponents. Still not in in my 2018 sleeper mix... yet... but I'm looking.
Why is Barkely hyped? He runs a 4.33, That's over 225 lbs. He as 5* agility, explosiveness...is being compared to Zeke Elliot - maybe even better. Sure, the link is a few highlights playing Akron. But he has made USC look silly, too. He is that special.
Looking forward to seeing him tonite. It'll be my first time this season.
What I do not get, however, in the absence of seeing him is how he is the consensus Heisman frontrunner despite not being in the TOP 20 of any collegiate rushing stat.
Click on "Expand All Leaderboards" at top of table... https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/years/2017-leaders.html
Inception.
... or Catch-22...
Great book... and worst movie adaptation I've ever seen.
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