Kessler back in
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Yes, time for everyone to have amnesia about how much Kessler blew during preseason.
I can only speak for myself but I don't put a ton of stock in preseason games. Kessler proved last season against starting NFL talent he could be effective. Whether or not that was an anomaly I couldn't tell you. We do know that Kizer wasn't a proven commodity coming into the draft and against regular season NFL talent he's struggled. Kizer has a solid arm, good mobility and good size so he has the tools but sometimes that's not enough. I'm not a "Kessler for MVP" guy but I'm also not sure what Kizer has shown weeks 2-7 that would allow Hue to look the other players in the eye. We've seen in the past how great defenses view average QBs. I can't imagine how hard it must be to hold a team together when half your team couldn't start on any other team in the league. I'm surprised there aren't more Kenny Britt's on the veteran side.
I can only speak for myself but I don't put a ton of stock in preseason games. Kessler proved last season against starting NFL talent he could be effective. Whether or not that was an anomaly I couldn't tell you. We do know that Kizer wasn't a proven commodity coming into the draft and against regular season NFL talent he's struggled. Kizer has a solid arm, good mobility and good size so he has the tools but sometimes that's not enough. I'm not a "Kessler for MVP" guy but I'm also not sure what Kizer has shown weeks 2-7 that would allow Hue to look the other players in the eye. We've seen in the past how great defenses view average QBs. I can't imagine how hard it must be to hold a team together when half your team couldn't start on any other team in the league. I'm surprised there aren't more Kenny Britt's on the veteran side.
Im not gonna say preseason games are a good indicator, but in this case, what else are they supposed to go on? These are your formal scrimmages against other teams. Kessler sucked. Kizer was solid.
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I can only speak for myself but I don't put a ton of stock in preseason games. Kessler proved last season against starting NFL talent he could be effective. Whether or not that was an anomaly I couldn't tell you. We do know that Kizer wasn't a proven commodity coming into the draft and against regular season NFL talent he's struggled. Kizer has a solid arm, good mobility and good size so he has the tools but sometimes that's not enough. I'm not a "Kessler for MVP" guy but I'm also not sure what Kizer has shown weeks 2-7 that would allow Hue to look the other players in the eye. We've seen in the past how great defenses view average QBs. I can't imagine how hard it must be to hold a team together when half your team couldn't start on any other team in the league. I'm surprised there aren't more Kenny Britt's on the veteran side.
Im not gonna say preseason games are a good indicator, but in this case, what else are they supposed to go on? These are your formal scrimmages against other teams. Kessler sucked. Kizer was solid.
Im not gonna say preseason games are a good indicator, but in this case, what else are they supposed to go on? These are your formal scrimmages against other teams. Kessler sucked. Kizer was solid.
Kessler wasn't bad last season. He didn't throw it downfield much but 65% 6TDs 2INTs. He wasn't great but I would've thought that would have assured him the job but I'm not being sarcastic about being naive concerning practice. I'd just hate to see Kizer's starting to be an agenda move, meaning Hue/Sashi wants to see "their" guy get the reps. I tend to believe Hue that he plays the guys that give the Browns the best chance to win.
I wish I had the answer, smh, this losing Sheet doesn't get easier.
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Kess, like Hogan, simply has no shot at delivering the game Hue apparently wants. Of Kess we learned this last season and confirmed it this preseason.
Of Kizer we learned he had the promise of doing so... Hue's way. Has it? No, not yet. As we knew they would the Ds he's seen have gotten more complex. Yet his pre-snap calls have been pretty good. Today they looked the best they've been.
I'll skip the repeating the rest of what I've been saying except that I see a young QB who still gets too excited at times to execute... but remains the only one who with the promise to do so Hue's way.
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Kizer was only effective AND has only been effective sub 15 yards. as evidenced by the early conservative playcalling i think kizer had a long of 19 today that was underthrown and off target but the WR made a great play on it. i appreciate the calming down on deep throws combined with giving some shorter routes and intermediate options but why did Hue abandon it so quickly in OT?
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I can only speak for myself but I don't put a ton of stock in preseason games. Kessler proved last season against starting NFL talent he could be effective. Whether or not that was an anomaly I couldn't tell you. We do know that Kizer wasn't a proven commodity coming into the draft and against regular season NFL talent he's struggled. Kizer has a solid arm, good mobility and good size so he has the tools but sometimes that's not enough. I'm not a "Kessler for MVP" guy but I'm also not sure what Kizer has shown weeks 2-7 that would allow Hue to look the other players in the eye. We've seen in the past how great defenses view average QBs. I can't imagine how hard it must be to hold a team together when half your team couldn't start on any other team in the league. I'm surprised there aren't more Kenny Britt's on the veteran side.
Im not gonna say preseason games are a good indicator, but in this case, what else are they supposed to go on? These are your formal scrimmages against other teams. Kessler sucked. Kizer was solid.
Im not gonna say preseason games are a good indicator, but in this case, what else are they supposed to go on? These are your formal scrimmages against other teams. Kessler sucked. Kizer was solid.
the 8 games last year and 3 of which Kessler finished with a QB Rating of 100... or maybe the fact that in 6 games as a starter kizer has finished above 50 in qb rating twice
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Hue's Way is 1-22 currently, And is clearly not adaptable to player strengths... Hue has been consistently bad in play calling,clock management AND developing QB's and offense as a whole. Kessler's last snap with the 1st team was in offseason and since just this week has been playing with the scout team only receiving backup reps this week. Shake the rust off Kess. Kizer has had 1st team reps since being drafted and looks to still be MILES away from being a legitimate starter in the nfl. continuing his streak of sub 50 qbr
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Im not gonna say preseason games are a good indicator, but in this case, what else are they supposed to go on? These are your formal scrimmages against other teams. Kessler sucked. Kizer was solid.
the 8 games last year and 3 of which Kessler finished with a QB Rating of 100... or maybe the fact that in 6 games as a starter kizer has finished above 50 in qb rating twice
the 8 games last year and 3 of which Kessler finished with a QB Rating of 100... or maybe the fact that in 6 games as a starter kizer has finished above 50 in qb rating twice
And that should have translated in preseason games.
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the 8 games last year and 3 of which Kessler finished with a QB Rating of 100... or maybe the fact that in 6 games as a starter kizer has finished above 50 in qb rating twice
And that should have translated in preseason games.
And that should have translated in preseason games.
Kessler had an 88 qb rating in preseason to kizers 73 and saw much less action than him
"Efficient" QB Play and Defense like we had today is how this team is built to win. i dont know how this game looks if kessler had a full 60 minutes or a gameplan designed to take advantage of his accuracy. -
Kessler is a decent game manager. Kizer's long ball just isn't accurate. If the goal is to win now, as Hue says in the presser, you start Kessler. That's the QB you supposedly hand picked last year, then demoted to third string this year and left out to dry.
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Kizer's 2017 preseason: 25 of 49 (51%) for 351 yards 1 TD, 1 INT (72.7 rating). Also rushed for 47 yards and 1 TD. (http://www.nfl.com/player/deshonekizer/2557983/gamelogs)
Kessler's 2017 preseason: 29 of 46 (63%) for 289 yards 1 TD, 0 INT (88.0 rating). Also rushed for 32 yards. (http://www.nfl.com/player/deshonekizer/2557983/gamelogs)
Numbers don't tell everything but why are people acting like Kessler sucked and Kizer was solid. One could argue that Kessler's numbers are better.
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Kizer makes bad decisions at crucial times, has accuracy and touch issues and has trouble going through his reads.
Kessler crumbles when the pressure comes.
Hogan is the best of the bunch, he has all the positive traits of both of these guys. He's fast and has a big arm, he reads the defense and can make all the throws, he is accurate and the guys on this team see him as the leader. Let the young man lead fellas.
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Kizer's 2017 preseason: 25 of 49 (51%) for 351 yards 1 TD, 1 INT (72.7 rating). Also rushed for 47 yards and 1 TD. (http://www.nfl.com/player/deshonekizer/2557983/gamelogs)
Kessler's 2017 preseason: 29 of 46 (63%) for 289 yards 1 TD, 0 INT (88.0 rating). Also rushed for 32 yards. (http://www.nfl.com/player/deshonekizer/2557983/gamelogs)
Numbers don't tell everything but why are people acting like Kessler sucked and Kizer was solid. One could argue that Kessler's numbers are better.
@the-user-from-cleveland said:
Kizer's 2017 preseason: 25 of 49 (51%) for 351 yards 1 TD, 1 INT (72.7 rating). Also rushed for 47 yards and 1 TD. (http://www.nfl.com/player/deshonekizer/2557983/gamelogs)
Kessler's 2017 preseason: 29 of 46 (63%) for 289 yards 1 TD, 0 INT (88.0 rating). Also rushed for 32 yards. (http://www.nfl.com/player/deshonekizer/2557983/gamelogs)
Numbers don't tell everything but why are people acting like Kessler sucked and Kizer was solid. One could argue that Kessler's numbers are better.
Because we actually watched the games.
Kizer was rightly not judged based on the legion drops by his receivers.
And to whoever cited QBR: dude, Kessler never throws further than 8 yards downfield. Of course his completion percentage and thus QBR are gonna be high.
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Not much Hue can do with the talent acquired by the awesome FO during The Process...... Hue's like a chef trying to serve a gourmet meal made out of dog, cat and horse poop, all of which were purchased by the restaurant manager.
Not much Hue can do with the talent acquired by the awesome FO during The Process...... Hue's like a chef trying to serve a gourmet meal made out of dog, cat and horse poop, all of which were purchased by the restaurant manager.
And then if he try's to make anything other than a Sheet sandwich people complain he's not playing to the strengths lol
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