***Official Browns Vs. Titans Game Day Thread***
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huh? We *could* win any of the remaining games on the schedule now that rodgers is out with gb.
Switch to enchiladas. Tacos are not agreeing with you.
The Titans were playing the crappiest team in the league. An obvious let-down week. They played very close to the vest and somewhat uninspired. And we STILL couldn't win. We're quite bad in case you haven't noticed. The name of the game is PASSING and we have a poor selection of QB's and WR's.
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huh? We *could* win any of the remaining games on the schedule now that rodgers is out with gb.
Switch to enchiladas. Tacos are not agreeing with you.
The Titans were playing the crappiest team in the league. An obvious let-down week. They played very close to the vest and somewhat uninspired. And we STILL couldn't win. We're quite bad in case you haven't noticed. The name of the game is PASSING and we have a poor selection of QB's and WR's.
Switch to enchiladas. Tacos are not agreeing with you.
The Titans were playing the crappiest team in the league. An obvious let-down week. They played very close to the vest and somewhat uninspired. And we STILL couldn't win. We're quite bad in case you haven't noticed. The name of the game is PASSING and we have a poor selection of QB's and WR's.
yes, we lost today as 5.5 pt underdogs. Most of our other games are going to have similar lines...we could win them. I still think we win 3 games.
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Rodger Goodell, enough with your cowpoop. I don't care what the weather 'feels' like outside it's Shmucking FALL. Josh Gordon has reapplied. Reinstate the man and quit Shmucking around with Cleveland Browns.
Hue Jackson, Hogan is healed. Healed enough, let him loose. Let the guy earn his stripes, he's ready to lead this team now.
Sashi Brown, next time you think you can save a couple mil by letting a player like Terrel Pryor walk and replace him with a player like Britt... punch yourself in the nuts.
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Has Puffy actually turned in his reinstation papers?
Hue literally has no idea what he's whispering to any of the QBs, but I'm pretty sure he won't be breathing in Hogan's ear this year again.... unless the other 2 have died.
Pryor was offered a contract by the Browns but took less and chose to sign with the Skins.........
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You do know that Woody won’t tolerate that type of criticism when it comes to Peppers?
Dunno since it wasn't a criticism of Peppers.... so there's that.
I think Peppers has been miscast out of necessity, or at least due to Williams' perception of necessity. Now that Williams has had a glimpse of life without Peppers in CF, maybe that perception changes... and with it Peppers role.
Dunno since it wasn't a criticism of Peppers.... so there's that.
I think Peppers has been miscast out of necessity, or at least due to Williams' perception of necessity. Now that Williams has had a glimpse of life without Peppers in CF, maybe that perception changes... and with it Peppers role.
Right, I didn't think you were criticizing him either.
I, like many on here, aren't big fans of how we were using Peppers. That's the scheme Williams wanted to use, and Peppers was the best option on our team to fill the "angel" role, even though that meant he was playing out of position. I hope he can get used in a more traditional safety role. I also help we an eventually get more of a true Free Safety and let Peppers play close to the line.
I didn't see the Titans even attempt many deep shots today either, so there's that. I'm sure all of the "totally not biased" Peppers haters on here will say that is because he wasn't in. Who knows.
The return game didn't have much of an opportunity to do anything today. The Titan's punter was very good.
Oh, and Hooker tore his ACL and MCL today. Sucks for him. I liked him a lot coming out of OSU and he was playing pretty well. I think his injury concerns were with his shoulder though.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Still waiting for the "Once in a lifetime talent" to take over a game....... hell, take over a quarter. So far, just another Courtney Brown.
Maybe I'm just expecting way too much based on all of the pre-draft hype.
Still waiting for the "Once in a lifetime talent" to take over a game....... hell, take over a quarter. So far, just another Courtney Brown.
Maybe I'm just expecting way too much based on all of the pre-draft hype.
Oh jesus. Do we really have people unhappy with Garrett now?
Shmucking Christ. This fanbase is ridiculous
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Still waiting for the "Once in a lifetime talent" to take over a game....... hell, take over a quarter. So far, just another Courtney Brown.
Maybe I'm just expecting way too much based on all of the pre-draft hype.
Oh jesus. Do we really have people unhappy with Garrett now?
Shmucking Christ. This fanbase is ridiculous
Oh jesus. Do we really have people unhappy with Garrett now?
Shmucking Christ. This fanbase is ridiculous
He's been decent, as has Brantley..... Guess I expected a Reggie White, Bruce Smith or LT like performance for a series or two based on all of the hype.
He's been better than Peppers though, I'll give you that............
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I hate tinkling in Cheerios, but here's my prediction:
Browns - 13
Titans - 34
Based on the Texans game, sounds about right.
Based on the Texans game, sounds about right.
I was way off on this game, and that's a good thing. If you want to find a positive, take a look at the defense. Garrett got a good lesson from a premium OT, and that's not a bad thing either. Still came away with a bullcrap sack, but a sack is a sack! He also made a couple of tackles and looked fast and strong. You could tell Garrett did NOT like going up against someone as good as Luwan (sp?). Still...he'll learn from it.
We still can't score points, and it's something we've known all season. We had a really good chance on that one drive, but Kizer missed a wide open Higgins by about ten feet. He had time to throw it, had an open receiver in the red zone, and missed by a mile. Not only that, he missed HIGH. If he misses low, either Higgins catches it or it harmlessly hits the ground. I realize Kizer is beyond young, but regardless of age....either you can hit that throw, or you can't.
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Oh jesus. Do we really have people unhappy with Garrett now?
Shmucking Christ. This fanbase is ridiculous
He's been decent, as has Brantley..... Guess I expected a Reggie White, Bruce Smith or LT like performance for a series or two based on all of the hype.
He's been better than Peppers though, I'll give you that............
He's been decent, as has Brantley..... Guess I expected a Reggie White, Bruce Smith or LT like performance for a series or two based on all of the hype.
He's been better than Peppers though, I'll give you that............
Hogan is better then Peppers, LOL.
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Interested to see how Peppers is used when he returns. Did not seem to miss him as Centerfielder.
Interested to see how Peppers is used when he returns. Did not seem to miss him as Centerfielder.
I haven't been shy regarding my low opinion of Peppers' performance, and I'm not sure this past game is going to help his status either. The Titans didn't push the ball downfield too many times, but we sure as heck didn't look like we missed him out there. It's like I've been saying all year, "What the heck does the guy do for our defense?" He doesn't tackle well in the open field, he doesn't take good angles, and he doesn't get his hands on any passes. He's just kind of...out there. And I don't want to hear anything about how young he is, or how he's playing a new position, or any other excuse. We were the worst team in the league and 2017 was a very deep draft at the safety position. What do WE do? We take a guy who hasn't played that position, and we hope for the best. Lord...
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No... you haven't been shy... ever?
Point remains now Gregg has tape with another in the role for which he's seen Peppers as the best option. Maybe that frees him to use Peppers differently... even as God (in the form of Jim Harbaugh) intended.
On Garrett... I saw two things Sunday...
- continued lack of a secondary move off his speed rush, and
- no use of his patented, ultra low dip within that speed rush.
While the former is still a factor regardless of health, I suspect the latter is a sign that his health is not full. Lewan did a nice job anchoring against MG's stack rush and escorting MG's speed rushes deep and past MM.
We know high-ankles linger beyond a players' return to functionality. I suspect... barring a set back in London, where I expect more success vs. Reiff... to see MG have a greater impact after our healing Bye. Excel? Going to need that 2nd move emerge...
huh? We *could* win any of the remaining games on the schedule now that rodgers is out with gb.
this is the nfl...we are going to be 4-6 pt underdogs in a lot of these upcoming games. They are all winnable.
Do you realize how difficult it is to give you an upvote? I now do...
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Color me shocked.
Or in the return game. I think Njoku was a stretch as a first rounder but time will tell but I'm not sure what the thought process was with Peppers. If you were looking for a quality safety try to move up to get your guy or draft one in round 2. If you were looking for a kick returner look in the later rounds.
Or in the return game. I think Njoku was a stretch as a first rounder but time will tell but I'm not sure what the thought process was with Peppers. If you were looking for a quality safety try to move up to get your guy or draft one in round 2. If you were looking for a kick returner look in the later rounds.
I'm OK where we drafted Njoku. He's extremely athletic. Just need a QB that can get him the ball.
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Dunno since it wasn't a criticism of Peppers.... so there's that.
I think Peppers has been miscast out of necessity, or at least due to Williams' perception of necessity. Now that Williams has had a glimpse of life without Peppers in CF, maybe that perception changes... and with it Peppers role.
Right, I didn't think you were criticizing him either.
I, like many on here, aren't big fans of how we were using Peppers. That's the scheme Williams wanted to use, and Peppers was the best option on our team to fill the "angel" role, even though that meant he was playing out of position. I hope he can get used in a more traditional safety role. I also help we an eventually get more of a true Free Safety and let Peppers play close to the line.
I didn't see the Titans even attempt many deep shots today either, so there's that. I'm sure all of the "totally not biased" Peppers haters on here will say that is because he wasn't in. Who knows.
The return game didn't have much of an opportunity to do anything today. The Titan's punter was very good.
Oh, and Hooker tore his ACL and MCL today. Sucks for him. I liked him a lot coming out of OSU and he was playing pretty well. I think his injury concerns were with his shoulder though.
Right, I didn't think you were criticizing him either.
I, like many on here, aren't big fans of how we were using Peppers. That's the scheme Williams wanted to use, and Peppers was the best option on our team to fill the "angel" role, even though that meant he was playing out of position. I hope he can get used in a more traditional safety role. I also help we an eventually get more of a true Free Safety and let Peppers play close to the line.
I didn't see the Titans even attempt many deep shots today either, so there's that. I'm sure all of the "totally not biased" Peppers haters on here will say that is because he wasn't in. Who knows.
The return game didn't have much of an opportunity to do anything today. The Titan's punter was very good.
Oh, and Hooker tore his ACL and MCL today. Sucks for him. I liked him a lot coming out of OSU and he was playing pretty well. I think his injury concerns were with his shoulder though.
You probably couldn't see it on TV, but Williams was playing a lot of two deep Sunday, and usually not as deep as he has been.
Yup, a bunch of us OSU homers wanted Hooker. Guess we're off the hook now.
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I was surprised to see someone from the offense make the top 5 after that sh!t show. But after seeing that person was Bitonio, I wasn’t surprised.
TOP 5 GRADES:
LB Joe Schobert, 89.0 overall grade
CB Briean Boddy-Calhoun, 85.1 overall grade
CB Jamar Taylor, 84.4 overall grade
S Ibraheim Campbell, 84.4 overall grade
G Joel Bitonio, 83.4 overall grade
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I was surprised to see someone from the offense make the top 5 after that sh!t show. But after seeing that person was Bitonio, I wasn’t surprised.
TOP 5 GRADES:
LB Joe Schobert, 89.0 overall grade
CB Briean Boddy-Calhoun, 85.1 overall grade
CB Jamar Taylor, 84.4 overall grade
S Ibraheim Campbell, 84.4 overall grade
G Joel Bitonio, 83.4 overall grade
Proud of BBC stepping up, but this...
S Ibraheim Campbell, 84.4 overall grade
... really makes things interesting for Peppers' return and how he'll be used.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Proud of BBC stepping up, but this...
S Ibraheim Campbell, 84.4 overall grade
... really makes things interesting for Peppers' return and how he'll be used.
Proud of BBC stepping up, but this...
... really makes things interesting for Peppers' return and how he'll be used.
There was little doubt that the back side of our defense looked much improved, but I'm cautious to say that we did anything too stellar because the Titans don't exactly possess the most explosive down-field threats. Still, I liked what I saw and Mr. Peppers better pay attention.
To your point about Garrett, I did see him use the low bend a couple of times, and when he did, he was simply directed behind the pocket and Mariota stepped up to the vacated space. One play in particular would've worked if somebody else on the DL pushed Mariota back, or we had penetration that didn't let him step right up, but we didn't and the "low bend" amounted to nothing.
Ya know, I keep seeing articles and statements from analysts that say, "Turnovers and mistakes prevent the Browns from winning again." While I agree they certainly didn't HELP matters, I can't help but think they weren't the reason we lost. No, the REASON we lost was because we didn't score any damn touchdowns. That's the bottom line people. We have another team that just can't find a way to score freaking touchdowns. Do you have any idea how many touchdowns were scored in the NFL in week 7? I don't know the number offhand, but I'm pretty sure it was a crap-load. How many did WE score? None. For basically the second straight week too. Yeah, I know we scored ONE last week, but that hardly counts. Not only that, how many times did we actually throw a ball in the end zone? How many plays did we attempt that actually COULD'VE scored? We have to find a way to take a few shots PER HALF. It's great to get into the red zone and all, but that hasn't exactly helped our team this year either. When we're at the opponent's 35 yard line and closer, we need to be taking a shot EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
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Proud of BBC stepping up, but this...
... really makes things interesting for Peppers' return and how he'll be used.
There was little doubt that the back side of our defense looked much improved, but I'm cautious to say that we did anything too stellar because the Titans don't exactly possess the most explosive down-field threats. Still, I liked what I saw and Mr. Peppers better pay attention.
To your point about Garrett, I did see him use the low bend a couple of times, and when he did, he was simply directed behind the pocket and Mariota stepped up to the vacated space. One play in particular would've worked if somebody else on the DL pushed Mariota back, or we had penetration that didn't let him step right up, but we didn't and the "low bend" amounted to nothing.
Ya know, I keep seeing articles and statements from analysts that say, "Turnovers and mistakes prevent the Browns from winning again." While I agree they certainly didn't HELP matters, I can't help but think they weren't the reason we lost. No, the REASON we lost was because we didn't score any damn touchdowns. That's the bottom line people. We have another team that just can't find a way to score freaking touchdowns. Do you have any idea how many touchdowns were scored in the NFL in week 7? I don't know the number offhand, but I'm pretty sure it was a crap-load. How many did WE score? None. For basically the second straight week too. Yeah, I know we scored ONE last week, but that hardly counts. Not only that, how many times did we actually throw a ball in the end zone? How many plays did we attempt that actually COULD'VE scored? We have to find a way to take a few shots PER HALF. It's great to get into the red zone and all, but that hasn't exactly helped our team this year either. When we're at the opponent's 35 yard line and closer, we need to be taking a shot EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
... how many times did we actually throw a ball in the end zone?
I can recall one...
Kizer's "too-flat-needed-more-air-under-a-throw-to-the-back-pylon" to Njoku. That was there... that was one example of a throw Kizer needs to... to quote Aaron R... R-E-L-A-X on.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
... how many times did we actually throw a ball in the end zone?
I can recall one...
Kizer's "too-flat-needed-more-air-under-a-throw-to-the-back-pylon" to Njoku. That was there... that was one example of a throw Kizer needs to... to quote Aaron R... R-E-L-A-X on.
I can recall one...
Kizer's "too-flat-needed-more-air-under-a-throw-to-the-back-pylon" to Njoku. That was there... that was one example of a throw Kizer needs to... to quote Aaron R... R-E-L-A-X on.
After making that statement, I immediately recalled that throw and made a similar comment on a different thread. I won't go into great detail, but that throw was just freaking AWFUL. You have a collegiate HIGH JUMPER who probably has a 5 inch height advantage on the defender, and you throw a darn BULLET?! Njoku couldn't even TOUCH the freaking ball! If the pass is high, that's ok. You make it high so either your guy gets it or nobody does, but COME ON MAN. That throw, above just about all else, shows me that Kizer can't be the guy. That just isn't a very tough toss if you ask me. I'm not saying it's EASY...but are you telling me that an NFL QB can't throw a 20 yard pass that a high-jumping, 6'5 TE can't even touch?
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I can recall one...
Kizer's "too-flat-needed-more-air-under-a-throw-to-the-back-pylon" to Njoku. That was there... that was one example of a throw Kizer needs to... to quote Aaron R... R-E-L-A-X on.
After making that statement, I immediately recalled that throw and made a similar comment on a different thread. I won't go into great detail, but that throw was just freaking AWFUL. You have a collegiate HIGH JUMPER who probably has a 5 inch height advantage on the defender, and you throw a darn BULLET?! Njoku couldn't even TOUCH the freaking ball! If the pass is high, that's ok. You make it high so either your guy gets it or nobody does, but COME ON MAN. That throw, above just about all else, shows me that Kizer can't be the guy. That just isn't a very tough toss if you ask me. I'm not saying it's EASY...but are you telling me that an NFL QB can't throw a 20 yard pass that a high-jumping, 6'5 TE can't even touch?
After making that statement, I immediately recalled that throw and made a similar comment on a different thread.
And after reading your comment in that other thread I made a comment referring to my comment on your comment in this other thread...
... or something...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I can recall one...
Kizer's "too-flat-needed-more-air-under-a-throw-to-the-back-pylon" to Njoku. That was there... that was one example of a throw Kizer needs to... to quote Aaron R... R-E-L-A-X on.
After making that statement, I immediately recalled that throw and made a similar comment on a different thread. I won't go into great detail, but that throw was just freaking AWFUL. You have a collegiate HIGH JUMPER who probably has a 5 inch height advantage on the defender, and you throw a darn BULLET?! Njoku couldn't even TOUCH the freaking ball! If the pass is high, that's ok. You make it high so either your guy gets it or nobody does, but COME ON MAN. That throw, above just about all else, shows me that Kizer can't be the guy. That just isn't a very tough toss if you ask me. I'm not saying it's EASY...but are you telling me that an NFL QB can't throw a 20 yard pass that a high-jumping, 6'5 TE can't even touch?
After making that statement, I immediately recalled that throw and made a similar comment on a different thread. I won't go into great detail, but that throw was just freaking AWFUL. You have a collegiate HIGH JUMPER who probably has a 5 inch height advantage on the defender, and you throw a darn BULLET?! Njoku couldn't even TOUCH the freaking ball! If the pass is high, that's ok. You make it high so either your guy gets it or nobody does, but COME ON MAN. That throw, above just about all else, shows me that Kizer can't be the guy. That just isn't a very tough toss if you ask me. I'm not saying it's EASY...but are you telling me that an NFL QB can't throw a 20 yard pass that a high-jumping, 6'5 TE can't even touch?
Shades of Derek Anderson, though his fastball doesn't have quite the velocity of DA's. Kizer continues to drive the ball when he doesn't have to. There was another bomb he tossed where he had a wr at least 5 yards behind his defender, and Deshone rocketed the ball 10 yards past him way over his head. Glaring lack of touch. The second int may not have happened if he had looped the ball over the first defender. Haven't had the stomach to review the tape, so that's just my initial impression.
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