Can we please stop turning on every new coach...
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The Process is supposed to make the Browns better...... I guess I missed the disclaimer that for the first two seasons we would have to accept 2-30 (phuck, hopefully 2) before we suddenly broke out in year three with 4 whole wins on our way to a 6 win year four...... Good times ahead for sure.
And if we went to 4, then 6, then 8 wins. If we are building a base, then I'm fine with it.
And if we went to 4, then 6, then 8 wins. If we are building a base, then I'm fine with it.
The mistake(and I think its a mistake a lot in here will make when we do win 4 games) is that thinking if we win 4 then 6 wins and 8 wins is in the cards next, as if this 'rebuild' is a long slow upwward climb....it doesnt often work that way.
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Within 2 years if his tenure? Hue isnt losing games for us, our players are losing games for us. Theres some mistakes that u can attribute to some extent to the cosch, but the most egregious mind numbing plays of the season by far are squarely on the players.
We cant keep turning things over. The browns by nature have to be more loyal to their players and staff. Cleveland is not a hot destination for coke and hooker time like ither cities. We have to entice onfield and off field talent here by being more patient. We cant get rid of every guy that doesnt deliver immediate results.
Within 2 years if his tenure? Hue isnt losing games for us, our players are losing games for us. Theres some mistakes that u can attribute to some extent to the cosch, but the most egregious mind numbing plays of the season by far are squarely on the players.
We cant keep turning things over. The browns by nature have to be more loyal to their players and staff. Cleveland is not a hot destination for coke and hooker time like ither cities. We have to entice onfield and off field talent here by being more patient. We cant get rid of every guy that doesnt deliver immediate results.
nobody expected hue to go 12-4 last year and 6-1 so far this year....or even 8-8 and 4-3 so far this year.
What we won't tolerate is HISTORICALLY BAD RECORDS even compared amongst similarly talentless teams. Again, he's 1-22!!!!! If he were 8-15 I think people would understand that while that record sucks, he came into a team lacking talent and in a bad spot. But you just can't go 1-22 in today's nfl....thats historically bad and verydifficult to do. Even with a terrible team.
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Within 2 years if his tenure? Hue isnt losing games for us, our players are losing games for us. Theres some mistakes that u can attribute to some extent to the cosch, but the most egregious mind numbing plays of the season by far are squarely on the players.
We cant keep turning things over. The browns by nature have to be more loyal to their players and staff. Cleveland is not a hot destination for coke and hooker time like ither cities. We have to entice onfield and off field talent here by being more patient. We cant get rid of every guy that doesnt deliver immediate results.
nobody expected hue to go 12-4 last year and 6-1 so far this year....or even 8-8 and 4-3 so far this year.
What we won't tolerate is HISTORICALLY BAD RECORDS even compared amongst similarly talentless teams. Again, he's 1-22!!!!! If he were 8-15 I think people would understand that while that record sucks, he came into a team lacking talent and in a bad spot. But you just can't go 1-22 in today's nfl....thats historically bad and verydifficult to do. Even with a terrible team.
nobody expected hue to go 12-4 last year and 6-1 so far this year....or even 8-8 and 4-3 so far this year.
What we won't tolerate is HISTORICALLY BAD RECORDS even compared amongst similarly talentless teams. Again, he's 1-22!!!!! If he were 8-15 I think people would understand that while that record sucks, he came into a team lacking talent and in a bad spot. But you just can't go 1-22 in today's nfl....thats historically bad and verydifficult to do. Even with a terrible team.
Im not in disagreement, but it is what it is. Im not in the mood for another offseason of begging people to come here. Im not in tbe mood to put another ex employee on an extended paid vacation. Pettines prob sitting somewhere enjoying jimmehs millions and not doing Sheet. Im tired of that. Id rather lose in season than spend another offseason listening to the nfl mock the browns everytime a coach geys on a plane out of hopkins and signs with another team almost before he lands. Im over that. "Bigly"....which is a word now.
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nobody expected hue to go 12-4 last year and 6-1 so far this year....or even 8-8 and 4-3 so far this year.
What we won't tolerate is HISTORICALLY BAD RECORDS even compared amongst similarly talentless teams. Again, he's 1-22!!!!! If he were 8-15 I think people would understand that while that record sucks, he came into a team lacking talent and in a bad spot. But you just can't go 1-22 in today's nfl....thats historically bad and verydifficult to do. Even with a terrible team.
Im not in disagreement, but it is what it is. Im not in the mood for another offseason of begging people to come here. Im not in tbe mood to put another ex employee on an extended paid vacation. Pettines prob sitting somewhere enjoying jimmehs millions and not doing Sheet. Im tired of that. Id rather lose in season than spend another offseason listening to the nfl mock the browns everytime a coach geys on a plane out of hopkins and signs with another team almost before he lands. Im over that. "Bigly"....which is a word now.
Im not in disagreement, but it is what it is. Im not in the mood for another offseason of begging people to come here. Im not in tbe mood to put another ex employee on an extended paid vacation. Pettines prob sitting somewhere enjoying jimmehs millions and not doing Sheet. Im tired of that. Id rather lose in season than spend another offseason listening to the nfl mock the browns everytime a coach geys on a plane out of hopkins and signs with another team almost before he lands. Im over that. "Bigly"....which is a word now.
what do you care how jimmy spends a few million? He doesn't give any of it to us either way.
begging people to come here? Please...it's 1 of 32 jobs......plenty of good candidates will come.
As for listening to people mock the browns, you don't think they would mock us for bringing back a 3-29 head coach if he starts losing in year 3 too? C'mon...that mockery would be even worse
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We'd be dumb to fire him unless we have some all star coach in the bag
Yeah he's a keeper.
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As a side bar, some of you are all caught up with this horse manure of, "we can't keep changing coaches".
Sure we can. These is no nobility in hanging on to a turd. Dudes, Hue Blows. I don't care if we have to hire and fire 10 coaches a season. Do you honestly think there is a chance this guy is going to be a success? Seriously? Do you think any of the players believe in this guy?
Holding on to him because we don't want to give a bad message sends and even worse message................."Work for the Browns, if you blow, the fans will fight for you not to be fired".
Honest to God, fellahs, let's not be stupid. This guy is an A #1 turd.
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The "There's only 32 NFL head coach jobs so the Browns will have no problem attracting a quality candidate" narrative being pushed by numerous people on here is humorous.
No one was interested in Chudzinski or Pettine when they were hired as HC of the Browns. There's been rumors during all the HC hiring processes that bigger name candidates wanted nothing to do with the Browns, or used the Browns as leverage against the team they wanted to go to. A current HC (Shanahan) wrote out a 32 point master thesis of sorts to get out of his contract as OC of the Browns. The same people on this board that point to Hue Jackson as proof that the Browns can get a quality candidate that other teams also want refer to Hue as a moron.
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Whst this dutch fuk just said
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Hue isnt losing games for us
Hue isn't winning games for us either.
He's made a more than a few iffy calls. Going for it on 4th down when we could of tied it, giving them a 4th and 1 instead of a 3rd and 16th. The losses aren't all on him, but he's made some silly mistakes. I'm willing to ride him out this year though, and if he gets his Sheet together, roll into next year with him.
Hue isn't winning games for us either.
He's made a more than a few iffy calls. Going for it on 4th down when we could of tied it, giving them a 4th and 1 instead of a 3rd and 16th. The losses aren't all on him, but he's made some silly mistakes. I'm willing to ride him out this year though, and if he gets his Sheet together, roll into next year with him.
I think the losing has started to overwhelm Hue. I think the FO has hosed him on more than one occasion on talent. Desperation tocwin is setting in and it shows via gunslinger calls. Now all this stuff about penalties being a lack of discipline by the coaches? Nah don't buy it. Penalties are a by product of the youngest roster in the NFL. You can't beat that out of them lol. I'd also say that for every bone headed call there are a half dozen ridiculous executions of good play calls.
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Fun fact not everybody wants to hear..
Hooker isn't much of an upgrade over Peppers.. and his season's over now - ACL/MCL.
Yes he's made 3 picks, but giving up 3 TD's [out of the total of 8 plays targeting him this year] isn't exactly Canton material.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Within 2 years if his tenure? Hue isnt losing games for us, our players are losing games for us. Theres some mistakes that u can attribute to some extent to the cosch, but the most egregious mind numbing plays of the season by far are squarely on the players.
We cant keep turning things over. The browns by nature have to be more loyal to their players and staff. Cleveland is not a hot destination for coke and hooker time like ither cities. We have to entice onfield and off field talent here by being more patient. We cant get rid of every guy that doesnt deliver immediate results.
Within 2 years if his tenure? Hue isnt losing games for us, our players are losing games for us. Theres some mistakes that u can attribute to some extent to the cosch, but the most egregious mind numbing plays of the season by far are squarely on the players.
We cant keep turning things over. The browns by nature have to be more loyal to their players and staff. Cleveland is not a hot destination for coke and hooker time like ither cities. We have to entice onfield and off field talent here by being more patient. We cant get rid of every guy that doesnt deliver immediate results.
did you stick up for pettine or mangini like this? doubt, doubt, doubt it.
you didn't like them....why? is it alright i don't like hue?
cool then.
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I hear what you're saying Clev, but this coach has won a single game in 23 attempts..... It's not like parts of the fanbase are calling for a guy's head who has back-to-back 7-9 seasons and we just aren't happy he hasn't gotten over the hump............. 1 freakin' game - that's a pretty low bar Hue has set and I'm sure my wife could match it if given the chance.
1-23 isn't working, sorry, it just isn't, math never lies........ Can't fire the owner, can't fire 53 players, tough to clean house in the FO's office..... that leaves the leader of the men on the field.
I just cant start over again. 1-23 is fine with me cause i see the talent gaps at alot of positions. Even if he sucks the browns have to essentially "use" hue to generate a sense of stability and if he's still doing goofy Sheet in a couple years we cut him loose for an established guy who will be coming in to a table set for him.
Just let hue grow into a HC.
I just cant start over again. 1-23 is fine with me cause i see the talent gaps at alot of positions. Even if he sucks the browns have to essentially "use" hue to generate a sense of stability and if he's still doing goofy Sheet in a couple years we cut him loose for an established guy who will be coming in to a table set for him.
Just let hue grow into a HC.
Um, you forget he already was a HC once with the Raiders? Had plenty of assistant coaching experience with the Bengals. Bill Belichick learned from his mistakes in Cleveland- I see zero indication to date Hue has learned from his past mistakes.
nobody expected hue to go 12-4 last year and 6-1 so far this year....or even 8-8 and 4-3 so far this year.
What we won't tolerate is HISTORICALLY BAD RECORDS even compared amongst similarly talentless teams. Again, he's 1-22!!!!! If he were 8-15 I think people would understand that while that record sucks, he came into a team lacking talent and in a bad spot. But you just can't go 1-22 in today's nfl....thats historically bad and verydifficult to do. Even with a terrible team.
We're zeroing in on the Tampa Bay record of suckitude. If we hadn't beaten the Chargers, we'd have them topped already.
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Penalties aren't on him??Who is responsible for disciplining these players....not Hue? Yeah...I'm sure you're right. Let's sign him to a 10 year contract extension and let him grow into the job. This guy sucks, and the only way to turn this mess around is to clean house....again. I hate it, but every other NFL team would have pulled the plug already, with the win / loss record, and the stupid mistakes made by everybody involved.
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I understand the Browns are in the middle of an epic rebuild, but the Browns today aren't playing at the level of the Browns at the beginning of last season, where they held leads and would choke the game away. (Baltimore, Miami) Hue's game-time decisions has to be noticed by Haslam.
That being said, I wouldn't want to explain to Haslam why Hue has to choose between Kizer, Kessler and Hogan every game if I were the braintrust of the Browns when he can turn on Sportscenter and see Wentz being talked about as a MVP candidate, while Watson is tearing up the league as a rookie. Both QBs fell right into the Browns laps. Now, I'll fully admit, I wasn't high on either (Wentz played against crap opponents and had 40% the career passing attempts as Goff did. Watson IMO was/is Vince Young II.) There's a reason I'm not part of a NFL team's front office responsible for drafting players.
And with every Wentz and Watson highlight, the chances that this front office will be part of the Browns next draft gets smaller.
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If only a homeless guy had Jimmy's ear during the Wentz draft.
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I just cant start over again. 1-23 is fine with me cause i see the talent gaps at alot of positions. Even if he sucks the browns have to essentially "use" hue to generate a sense of stability and if he's still doing goofy Sheet in a couple years we cut him loose for an established guy who will be coming in to a table set for him.
Just let hue grow into a HC.
The Process is supposed to make the Browns better...... I guess I missed the disclaimer that for the first two seasons we would have to accept 2-30 (phuck, hopefully 2) before we suddenly broke out in year three with 4 whole wins on our way to a 6 win year four...... Good times ahead for sure.
I guess I missed the disclaimer that for the first two seasons we would have to accept 2-30 (phuck, hopefully 2) before we suddenly broke out in year three with 4 whole wins on our way to a 6 win year four...... Good times ahead for sure.
I got the memo... it's around here somewhere.
what do you care how jimmy spends a few million? He doesn't give any of it to us either way.
begging people to come here? Please...it's 1 of 32 jobs......plenty of good candidates will come.
Plenty of evidence to the contrary...
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Hue isn't winning games for us either.
He's made a more than a few iffy calls. Going for it on 4th down when we could of tied it, giving them a 4th and 1 instead of a 3rd and 16th. The losses aren't all on him, but he's made some silly mistakes. I'm willing to ride him out this year though, and if he gets his Sheet together, roll into next year with him.
I think the losing has started to overwhelm Hue. I think the FO has hosed him on more than one occasion on talent. Desperation tocwin is setting in and it shows via gunslinger calls. Now all this stuff about penalties being a lack of discipline by the coaches? Nah don't buy it. Penalties are a by product of the youngest roster in the NFL. You can't beat that out of them lol. I'd also say that for every bone headed call there are a half dozen ridiculous executions of good play calls.
I think the losing has started to overwhelm Hue. I think the FO has hosed him on more than one occasion on talent. Desperation (to win) is setting in and it shows via gunslinger calls.
Now all this stuff about penalties being a lack of discipline by the coaches? Nah don't buy it. Penalties are a by product of the youngest roster in the NFL. You can't beat that out of them lol.
Agree on the overwhelm... disagree on the cause... and the symptom. Losing creates its own imperative and Hue even helped by pushing winning so hard in pre-season. It shows IMO in the QB carousel that is now rolling.
Agree on the penalties... young players eager to make plays... and to win.
Fun fact not everybody wants to hear..
Hooker isn't much of an upgrade over Peppers.. and his season's over now - ACL/MCL.
Yes he's made 3 picks, but giving up 3 TD's [out of the total of 8 plays targeting him this year] isn't exactly Canton material.
Knew he was a great CF... feared he was fragile. But there were others FSs on my shopping list... and MLBs... and RBs... and... and... and... but I'm over it now. I'm down with what we actually did.
did you stick up for pettine or mangini like this? doubt, doubt, doubt it.
I'm your Huckleberry... times two... better not doubt it once let alone three times.
Penalties aren't on him??Who is responsible for disciplining these players....not Hue?
Spare the rod... spoil the nose tackle?
WTF, dude... do you know nothing about positive and negative reinforcement?
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We don't need a coach everyone has already heard of.... we need the right coach that makes his name by turning the Browns around.
We don't need a coach everyone has already heard of.... we need the right coach that makes his name by turning the Browns around.
So we’ve gone from “there’s only 32 jobs like this, of course we can get a stud” to “yeah we’ll get some bum but he’ll be a hidden gem.” Nice consistency.
The "There's only 32 NFL head coach jobs so the Browns will have no problem attracting a quality candidate" narrative being pushed by numerous people on here is humorous.
No one was interested in Chudzinski or Pettine when they were hired as HC of the Browns. There's been rumors during all the HC hiring processes that bigger name candidates wanted nothing to do with the Browns, or used the Browns as leverage against the team they wanted to go to. A current HC (Shanahan) wrote out a 32 point master thesis of sorts to get out of his contract as OC of the Browns. The same people on this board that point to Hue Jackson as proof that the Browns can get a quality candidate that other teams also want refer to Hue as a moron.
It’s something people tell themselves to justify scrapping everyone. They just don’t have patience. Nothing more to it.
did you stick up for pettine or mangini like this? doubt, doubt, doubt it.
you didn't like them....why? is it alright i don't like hue?
cool then.
Aren’t you just as much of a hypocrite, just in reverse?
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We don't need a coach everyone has already heard of.... we need the right coach that makes his name by turning the Browns around.
So we’ve gone from “there’s only 32 jobs like this, of course we can get a stud” to “yeah we’ll get some bum but he’ll be a hidden gem.” Nice consistency.
The "There's only 32 NFL head coach jobs so the Browns will have no problem attracting a quality candidate" narrative being pushed by numerous people on here is humorous.
No one was interested in Chudzinski or Pettine when they were hired as HC of the Browns. There's been rumors during all the HC hiring processes that bigger name candidates wanted nothing to do with the Browns, or used the Browns as leverage against the team they wanted to go to. A current HC (Shanahan) wrote out a 32 point master thesis of sorts to get out of his contract as OC of the Browns. The same people on this board that point to Hue Jackson as proof that the Browns can get a quality candidate that other teams also want refer to Hue as a moron.
It’s something people tell themselves to justify scrapping everyone. They just don’t have patience. Nothing more to it.
did you stick up for pettine or mangini like this? doubt, doubt, doubt it.
you didn't like them....why? is it alright i don't like hue?
cool then.
Aren’t you just as much of a hypocrite, just in reverse?
So we’ve gone from “there’s only 32 jobs like this, of course we can get a stud” to “yeah we’ll get some bum but he’ll be a hidden gem.” Nice consistency.
Reading comprehension has never seemed to be your strong suit.
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