Start Kevin Hogan!
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Did you watch the video Dutch? Nah, who cares, right?
Mark- read that again... here I'll highlight it for you..
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Did you watch the video Dutch? Nah, who cares, right?
Mark- read that again... here I'll highlight it for you..
Did you watch the video Dutch? Nah, who cares, right?
Mark- read that again... here I'll highlight it for you..
Read the whole thing...
I think Hogan catches on somewhere as a solid backup who will be fully prepared when/if he gets a shot to start, but he’ll likely never be more than that at the pro level.
Grade: 6th Round
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I'm done with you and this topic. This basically sums up what everyone who watches objectively have been saying....
QB Kevin Hogan
College: Stanford
Year: RS Senior
Birth Year: 1992
Height: 6-4
Weight: 218Analysis
For four years Kevin Hogan led Stanford’s offense brilliantly, building a reputation as one of the hardest workers and better leaders in college football. Despite average physical tools and less-than-ideal mechanics, Hogan typically got results, playing especially well on some big stages in 2015. The fifth-year senior made strides every season, but even last year I would have told you he was undraftable. Fast-forward to 2015, and my criticism of Hogan has certainly softened somewhat.
Hogan will never have an elite arm, but I believe he possesses the necessary tools to be at least an adequate passer to all levels of the field. His deep ball is inconsistent, but Hogan’s ability to throw with touch from a sound base is impressive. He can drop the ball in the bucket with enough arm strength to stretch a defense vertically. The senior’s mid-range velocity is solid, but only when he has the time and space to step into throws. Compromise his feet at all, and the results can get ugly.
Therein lies one of the bigger concerns with Hogan, how he performs when the protection breaks down. His escapability is impressive, as Hogan remains one of the more athletic quarterbacks in the 2016 class. Once on the move however, Hogan is more improvisational than he is accurate, typically struggling to set his feet and deliver an accurate throw. He can get frazzled when contained in the pocket under pressure, throwing off his back foot and forcing ill-advised passes into tight coverage. Hogan is at his best on deep drops when he can establish a clean base and be afforded time to load up the ball.
That brings us to the most bizarre aspect of Hogan’s skill set, his elongated delivery. The Stanford passer drops the ball low before slinging his arm upward in an almost circular motion, a release that is even stranger looking than Phillip Rivers’. The results are surprisingly favorable on intermediate passes between the hashmarks, but the closer to the boundary or down the field Hogan goes, the ball begins to dip and wobble a good bit. Hogan’s need to really load the pass up to reach maximum velocity is concerning too, as the extra half-second gives defenses time to get in position to make a play on the ball. This will lead to him scrambling instead of standing tall in the pocket to hit an open target, as Hogan simply isn’t comfortable throwing with pressure in his face due to how much time and space he needs to unload the ball.
As far as intangibles go, Hogan brings every desirable trait to the table. He’ll train like a starter even as a backup, showing marvelous leadership traits, competitive drive, and the toughness teams love to see in a quarterback. He’s well-spoken and cerebral, showing a strong understand and execution of a pro-style offense which should make his transition to the NFL easier this fall. As far as ex-factors go, Hogan is athletic and gutsy, fully willing to carry the ball himself and take a shot in order to make a play. His teammates have always spoken highly of him, and he accepted an unenviable-mantle from Andrew Luck with confidence and poise.
Hogan’s improvement in 2015 is substantial enough for me to place a draftable grade on him, but I do think NFL teams will be concerned about his mechanics, and about the fact that Hogan was never really asked to carry the Stanford offense thanks to Christian McCaffrey’s presence. His physical tools are adequate however, and his intangibles, athleticism, and accuracy will all be intriguing to teams on the draft’s third day. I think Hogan catches on somewhere as a solid backup who will be fully prepared when/if he gets a shot to start, but he’ll likely never be more than that at the pro level.
Grade: 6th Round
QB Kevin Hogan
College: Stanford
Year: RS Senior
Birth Year: 1992
Height: 6-4
Weight: 218Analysis
For four years Kevin Hogan led Stanford’s offense brilliantly, building a reputation as one of the hardest workers and better leaders in college football. Despite average physical tools and less-than-ideal mechanics, Hogan typically got results, playing especially well on some big stages in 2015.
Hogan will never have an elite arm, but I believe he possesses the necessary tools to be at least an adequate passer to all levels of the field. His deep ball is inconsistent, but Hogan’s ability to throw with touch from a sound base is impressive. He can drop the ball in the bucket with enough arm strength to stretch a defense vertically. The senior’s mid-range velocity is solid.
. His escapability is impressive, as Hogan remains one of the more athletic quarterbacks in the 2016 class.
As far as intangibles go, Hogan brings every desirable trait to the table. He’ll train like a starter even as a backup, showing marvelous leadership traits, competitive drive, and the toughness teams love to see in a quarterback. He’s well-spoken and cerebral, showing a strong understand and execution of a pro-style offense which should make his transition to the NFL easier this fall. As far as ex-factors go, Hogan is athletic and gutsy, fully willing to carry the ball himself and take a shot in order to make a play. His teammates have always spoken highly of him, and he accepted an unenviable-mantle from Andrew Luck with confidence and poise.
Hogan’s improvement in 2015. His physical tools are adequate however, and his intangibles, athleticism, and accuracy will all be intriguing to teams
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Wonderful....He's fucking Colt McCoy...
Notice how you failed to quote this section that I already posted. Not to mention the mentions of his "wind up" and being able to drive the ball and being inaccurate and all the other things that were negative. Which just shows that you are not the least bit objective about this guy and nothing more than a homo girl in love with this guy. I'll just leave you again with the final line.
I think Hogan catches on somewhere as a solid backup who will be fully prepared when/if he gets a shot to start, but he’ll likely never be more than that at the pro level.
Grade: 6th Round
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He deserves another start at some point. Most of our fans are idiots.
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nope, I saw that and that was nonsensical. His windup isn't that exaggerated. Your analysis of his windup is exaggerated. He has a rather quick release actually. Besides all that said was he needed to work on technique and footwork. I've already said that he has to pay attention to that and do a better job under pressure to 'keep up his technique'
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Peyton Manning has won 2 super bowls and holds nearly every passing record in the NFL. Please tell me you're not seriously comparing Kevin Shmucking Hogan to Peyton Manning??
You're not that gay for this guy are you?
It got me to thinking Mark- since PO brought up Manning's 4 interceptions in a game.
You have to go way back, but here's some trivia for ya- most ints one game qb.
In the 1950 season opener, Hardy had arguably the worst day a quarterback ever had (and that's saying something given the likes of Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell once roamed the pro gridiron). Hardy threw eight interceptions in a 45-7 loss for his Chicago Cardinals against the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles.
Yeah but i bet he threw for a Sheet ton of yds in said game. And while he never gad the greatest cannon he offset it with accuracy and ability to essentially be his own OC. We get none of that with hogan. Kizer aint much better, i grant u....but hogan isnt starting for us next year. So i want kizer to either improve or show us we need to draft his replacement.
Im not in the mood for the browns to eke out a win or two with hogan so our offseason priorities are muddled
Our priorities aren't muddled Clevefan. Unless Kizer miraculously starts playing like Manning or Rodgers the next 8 games, we're drafting a qb with the #1 pick, and right now ESPN says the probability of us having it again are 58%
It got me to thinking Mark- since PO brought up Manning's 4 interceptions in a game.
You have to go way back, but here's some trivia for ya- most ints one game qb.
In the 1950 season opener, Hardy had arguably the worst day a quarterback ever had (and that's saying something given the likes of Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell once roamed the pro gridiron). Hardy threw eight interceptions in a 45-7 loss for his Chicago Cardinals against the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles.
Our priorities aren't muddled Clevefan. Unless Kizer miraculously starts playing like Manning or Rodgers the next 8 games, we're drafting a qb with the #1 pick, and right now ESPN says the probability of us having it again are 58%
Only 58%? Shmuck im worried now. I feel like the browns arent getting the job done...Shmucking only 58%
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So the Browns Defense blows loads right? They gave up 26 points... but the next week they didn't allow a TD.
Guys, it's a game of inches. Each game tells it's own tale. Every game played again for the first time, even with the same exact players, is going to be completely different each and every time a game is played.
Some of us Browns fans deserve this losing culture however. What if Hogan is the guy? And you are all ready to chase him out of town and anoint yet another rookie 'savior' until he stinks then rinse wash and repeat.
So the Browns Defense blows loads right? They gave up 26 points... but the next week they didn't allow a TD.
Guys, it's a game of inches. Each game tells it's own tale. Every game played again for the first time, even with the same exact players, is going to be completely different each and every time a game is played.
Some of us Browns fans deserve this losing culture however. What if Hogan is the guy? And you are all ready to chase him out of town and anoint yet another rookie 'savior' until he stinks then rinse wash and repeat.
PO, I'm not chasing Hogan out of town. He's shown promise as a relief pitcher. He got one start, and stunk it up. Maybe he'll get another if Kizer continues to play at an equally bad level- or gets hurt. With Joe out for the year- that could be a possibility. .
Exactly, 1 start. Kizer has Sheet the bed 6 times. Kessler 8 times. You guys are bad at math... and it's very basic math at that.
So Hogan gets at least 6 starts to prove he isn't starter material too? Well here's the math Po. Kizer got drafted in the second round, big arm ideal size. Kevin Hogan- 5th round pick Kansas City cut and the Browns picked up off the scrap heap. Kizer gets at least a couple more starts to see if he can improve.
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nope, I saw that and that was nonsensical. His windup isn't that exaggerated. Your analysis of his windup is exaggerated. He has a rather quick release actually. Besides all that said was he needed to work on technique and footwork. I've already said that he has to pay attention to that and do a better job under pressure to 'keep up his technique'
nope, I saw that and that was nonsensical. His windup isn't that exaggerated. Your analysis of his windup is exaggerated. He has a rather quick release actually. Besides all that said was he needed to work on technique and footwork. I've already said that he has to pay attention to that and do a better job under pressure to 'keep up his technique'
Again...you ignored the negative and focused on the positive things, none of the positives had anything to do with his actual football talent. Just that he's a hard worker and a guy who his teammates liked. You even highlighted the fact that he's "an adequate passer"...boy that gets me excited about our QB of the future (according to you), he's adequate....Adequate is going to win a lot of fucking games.
He's not that good. He's "adequate". A career backup. Colt McCoy. Cody Hogan...Kevin Kessler...they're all the same guy.
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Actually who really cares who they start at this point? I mean the guy who was 4th on the depth chart through most of the preseason, so what? We're 0-7. It doesnt Shmucking matter.....guarantee hogan is on IR by seasons end. "Guarantee" it. His ribs are already dinged well guess what, ur blind side is comin for u son....prepare for dry anal
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Actually who really cares who they start at this point? I mean the guy who was 4th on the depth chart through most of the preseason, so what? We're 0-7. It doesnt Shmucking matter.....guarantee hogan is on IR by seasons end. "Guarantee" it. His ribs are already dinged well guess what, ur blind side is comin for u son....prepare for dry anal
Actually who really cares who they start at this point? I mean the guy who was 4th on the depth chart through most of the preseason, so what? We're 0-7. It doesnt Shmucking matter.....guarantee hogan is on IR by seasons end. "Guarantee" it. His ribs are already dinged well guess what, ur blind side is comin for u son....prepare for dry anal
dry anal.... that's gross and really funny.
It doesn't really matter... Hogan and Kessler...they're backups. Kizer...he's probably a more athletic Brandon Weeden but it will take a few more starts to know for sure. Its what Cody Hogans lover is missing in this whole thing. It's not that most of us think that Kizer is the answer...we just know that Hogan and Kessler aren't the answer and most don't think Kizer is the answer either, but it takes more than 1/4 of a season to know that for sure.
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You guys arguing about Hogan, Kessler, and Kizer is like arguing over Larry, Curly, or Moe!!! They're ALL STOOGES!!!...They ALL suck, imho.
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We should rotate qb's quarterly from here on out. Who's gonna game plan for 3 diff qb's? They can plan for one, maybe 2 tops.....but that 3rd one will be money
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You guys arguing about Hogan, Kessler, and Kizer is like arguing over Larry, Curly, or Moe!!! They're ALL STOOGES!!!...They ALL suck, imho.
You guys arguing about Hogan, Kessler, and Kizer is like arguing over Larry, Curly, or Moe!!! They're ALL STOOGES!!!...They ALL suck, imho.
I don't disagree. But only one of them, Kizer in my opinion has the skills necessary to be a starting NFL QB. Whether he actually can be remains to be seen and the only way to see is for him to play.
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Actually who really cares who they start at this point? I mean the guy who was 4th on the depth chart through most of the preseason, so what? We're 0-7. It doesnt Shmucking matter.....guarantee hogan is on IR by seasons end. "Guarantee" it. His ribs are already dinged well guess what, ur blind side is comin for u son....prepare for dry anal
dry anal.... that's gross and really funny.
It doesn't really matter... Hogan and Kessler...they're backups. Kizer...he's probably a more athletic Brandon Weeden but it will take a few more starts to know for sure. Its what Cody Hogans lover is missing in this whole thing. It's not that most of us think that Kizer is the answer...we just know that Hogan and Kessler aren't the answer and most don't think Kizer is the answer either, but it takes more than 1/4 of a season to know that for sure.
dry anal.... that's gross and really funny.
It doesn't really matter... Hogan and Kessler...they're backups. Kizer...he's probably a more athletic Brandon Weeden but it will take a few more starts to know for sure. Its what Cody Hogans lover is missing in this whole thing. It's not that most of us think that Kizer is the answer...we just know that Hogan and Kessler aren't the answer and most don't think Kizer is the answer either, but it takes more than 1/4 of a season to know that for sure.
And yet here you are, declaring you know Hogan is NOT after 1 start. Prophetic.
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dry anal.... that's gross and really funny.
It doesn't really matter... Hogan and Kessler...they're backups. Kizer...he's probably a more athletic Brandon Weeden but it will take a few more starts to know for sure. Its what Cody Hogans lover is missing in this whole thing. It's not that most of us think that Kizer is the answer...we just know that Hogan and Kessler aren't the answer and most don't think Kizer is the answer either, but it takes more than 1/4 of a season to know that for sure.
And yet here you are, declaring you know Hogan is NOT after 1 start. Prophetic.
And yet here you are, declaring you know Hogan is NOT after 1 start. Prophetic.
Yes...because he doesn't have the necessary skills as the draft preview pointed out to you if you chose to actually read the whole thing and not just the parts that made you hard.
Done with you....you're boring me with your gay love for players who either aren't talented enough or would rather get high than play football.
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