Hue most likely gone now....

Tour2ma

So semi-sarcasm... so I'll only be semi-worried...

@diehardbrownsfan said:

And Barberton is the bottom of the barrel, lmao.

Had a Great Aunt Betsy who used to race in the Powderpuff events at Barberton Speedway...

She was one hoot of a character...

Tacosman

@tour2ma said:

So right move, but wrong time... mmmkay...

But let's look at this awful decision you and others are criticizing...

1st Quarter

Tennessee Titans at 15:00

5-Z.Gonzalez kicks 65 yards from CLE 35 to end zone, Touchback. PENALTY on CLE-24-I.Campbell, Offside on Free Kick, 5 yards, enforced at TEN 25.

1-10-TEN 30 (15:00) (Shotgun) 8-M.Mariota pass short middle to 18-R.Matthews to TEN 48 for 18 yards (24-I.Campbell).

1-10-TEN 48 (14:26) 29-D.Murray left guard to CLE 43 for 9 yards (26-D.Kindred).

2-1-CLE 43 (13:46) 29-D.Murray right tackle to CLE 43 for no gain (55-D.Shelton; 51-J.Collins).

3-1-CLE 43 (13:00) 22-D.Henry left tackle to CLE 41 for 2 yards (58-C.Kirksey; 95-M.Garrett).

1-10-CLE 41 (12:24) 29-D.Murray right guard to CLE 33 for 8 yards (90-E.Ogbah).

2-2-CLE 33 (11:50) (Shotgun) 8-M.Mariota pass short middle to 82-D.Walker to CLE 32 for 1 yard (95-M.Garrett). Shuffle Pass

3-1-CLE 32 (11:11) (Shotgun) 8-M.Mariota pass incomplete deep left to 81-J.Smith. Penalty on TEN-77-T.Lewan, Face Mask (15 Yards), declined.

4-1-CLE 32 (11:03) 22-D.Henry right guard to CLE 32 for no gain (53-J.Schobert). PENALTY on CLE-55-D.Shelton, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at CLE 32 - No Play.

1-10-CLE 27 (10:50) 29-D.Murray left end to CLE 25 for 2 yards (58-C.Kirksey).

2-8-CLE 25 (10:09) (Shotgun) 22-D.Henry right end to CLE 30 for -5 yards (58-C.Kirksey).

3-13-CLE 30 (9:25) (Shotgun) 8-M.Mariota pass short middle to 13-T.Taylor to CLE 25 for 5 yards (53-J.Schobert).

4-8-CLE 25 (8:42) 4-R.Succop 43 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-48-B.Brinkley, Holder-6-B.Kern.

TEN 3 CLE 0 Plays: 11 Possession: 6:22

So in summary:

TN has moved 37 yards in 9 plays to open the game and end up with 4th and 1 in position for a 49-yd FG by the league's leading Kicker.

The TN HC eschews the FG attempt and instead runs his big back up the gut for no gain... our ball on downs... except...

Our defender who is over the ball jumped offsides giving TN a new set of downs.

With that new set of downs TN manages to gain a mere 5 yds and end up kicking a 43-yd FG... which would have been good from 49.

Or in Super-summary: Hue's horrendous, infantile, stupid decision carried absolutely no cost to his team.

What am I missing here?

As opposed to say.... stupid MMQBs?

Look I can't defend every decision, play call, challenge or time out Hue has made, but folks, including you, are being hypercritical here. And be it out of frustration or whatever... it's not right. It just isn't...

1) For starters everyone on the field could see that there was going to be an offsides penalty and so I don't know that I'd put too much stock in the play after that

2) Even if that weren't the case. It is still a HORRIBLE decision. Hell, even if hue declined the penalty and the 4th and 1 was a fumble returned for a browns td, it was still a HORRIBLE decision. Under any point expectation scenario, 3rd and 16 well out of fg range is a MUCH WORSE predicament than 4th and 1 at the 32....whether they go for it or not.

The fact that he could analyze that situation and say "yeah, I don't want any part of a third and 16 out of fg range" is mind boggling and goes to his thought process.

Tour2ma

Could see what? Where? When?
Hue wasn't worried about spotting them an early 3-point lead thinking we had a stop. Maybe Marlarkey's tendencies played a role in his decision. Maybe he was going with the league norm which inarguably is to kick the 49-yd FG... especially when you have a Succup in the wings.

I'm just not inclined to crucify the guy for the decision.

DieHardBrownsFan

@tour2ma said:

Parma, Ohio. Home of the best Pizza in the USA and the World.

So... been to Stancato's?

Also worth noting... if you just say "in the world", it covers USA...

... or at least it used to...

I'm going to get one soon. I'll keep you updated on if it's still as good as you remember. If I recall you said the sausage was the best?

Tour2ma

@diehardbrownsfan said:

If I recall you said the sausage was the best?

Yup... awesome stuff... with Mushrooms...

Sauce is a lil sweet... crust is a tad pie-like... but it all worked in my mouth..

wargograw

@orion said:

No, not 'a' mistake. He makes friggin' tons of 'em. His clock management, the play calls he makes when we get near the goal line... - I don't have 'em all committed to memory, but it's a ton. I don't like him as my game day coach.

I don't want to change coaches either. We do that waay too much. Ya can't get anything built that way. It's constantly being torn down. But I don't like the dumb decisions that he makes during games. And it's not like he's magically NOT gonna make any more dumb decisions. It's not like he's twelve years old and he's just learning the game of football.

I didn't like Pettine's game day calls either. The guy tried a 60 yard field goal with Devin Hester waiting at the goal line to return it. TWICE. The FIRST time the dumbass Atlanta coach called TO to ice our kicker so Pettine watched Hester catch the ball in the end zone. So Pettine, being unable to learn, did it again and Hester ALMOST took it to the house (thanks to Joel Bitonio who hit Hester when he zigged around the 20). - Mind you, a FG is NOT like a punt. There are no 'gunners'.

I don't like stupid game day coaches.

Stop saying you want the guy retained while you aid in the process of whipping the fan base into such a huge frenzy that he is in fact NOT retained. Can’t have it both ways.

Orion

@wargograw said:

Stop saying you want the guy retained while you aid in the process of whipping the fan base into such a huge frenzy that he is in fact NOT retained. Can’t have it both ways.

I didn't say that I want to retain him. I said that I don't want to be changing coaches all of the time. But that doesn't mean we should stick with a lousy game manager just for the sake of not changing.

wargograw

@orion said:

I didn't say that I want to retain him. I said that I don't want to be changing coaches all of the time. But that doesn't mean we should stick with a lousy game manager just for the sake of not changing.

So you do want him fired. Got it.

Let me state it another way. Don’t say you don’t want to be changing coaches all the time as you fight to have yet another coach fired.

wargograw

And by the way your exact words were “I don’t want to change coaches.”

Orion

@wargograw said:

Let me state it another way. Don’t say you don’t want to be changing coaches all the time as you fight to have yet another coach fired.

I'm done explaining myself to you. You're incapable of understanding.

wargograw

No I understand. You don’t want to be changing coaches all the time, you just don’t actually have the patience for any coach that isn’t Superman. Again, can’t have it both ways.

Orion

@wargograw said:

No I understand. You don’t want to be changing coaches all the time, you just don’t actually have the patience for any coach that isn’t Superman. Again, can’t have it both ways.

Why does Hue keeping changing QB's? Continuity is best no? But he's not patient with what he considers stupid mistakes. He doesn't have a superman QB I guess.

I don't see the point of continuing with a coach that makes bad game day decisions...that is going to contribute to losses. Just like you have to keep drafting and / or acquiring QB's until you find a good one, you have to change the HC until you find a good one. Consistency for the sake of consistency is not a good plan. IMO

Now, if Jimmy doesn't fire Hue then it's because he doesn't think Hue's game day decisions are bad enough to warrant termination. That's his call. If he doesn't fire Hue because he fired so many previous coaches, then that's his call (and his own fault) too.

wargograw

“I don’t want to fire coaches, so long as they’re perfect.” Got it.

Ghoolie

Some of you guys have a really bizarre fetish for not firing a coach, as if continuity guarantees anything. You guys are crippled with euphemisms...........

amassing assets - building for the future - you don't keep changing coaches...........

If you think about your own experiences in life, no doubt you have lived to learn that generalizations are more often than not errant. Where is it written that the way to win is to keep your HC no matter how bad he is? What kind of logic is that? Right before your very eyes you have seen that Hue Jackson is incompetent. He is without argument the dumbest coach in the NFL, and he does not have the skill set to ever be a successful head coach.

But that doesn't matter because many of you think that if you squeeze a turd hard enough it will turn into a diamond.

If your justification for not firing Hue is a euphemism of "we can't fired coaches all the time", then you truly have no ability to think for yourself. Hue Jackson blows. For the love of God, there is not reason to keep this turd

TexasAg1969

@ghoolie said:

Some of you guys have a really bizarre fetish for not firing a coach, as if continuity guarantees anything. You guys are crippled with euphemisms...........

amassing assets - building for the future - you don't keep changing coaches...........

If you think about your own experiences in life, no doubt you have lived to learn that generalizations are more often than not errant. Where is it written that the way to win is to keep your HC no matter how bad he is? What kind of logic is that? Right before your very eyes you have seen that Hue Jackson is incompetent. He is without argument the dumbest coach in the NFL, and he does not have the skill set to ever be a successful head coach.

But that doesn't matter because many of you think that if you squeeze a turd hard enough it will turn into a diamond.

If your justification for not firing Hue is a euphemism of "we can't fired coaches all the time", then you truly have no ability to think for yourself. Hue Jackson blows. For the love of God, there is not reason to keep this turd

And war said you had relapsed? Not on this one. He absolutely sucks as a game day coach. No getting around it. So many bad redzone calls, so many wasted TOs and poor clock management, so many head scratchers like not taking the 15 yarder this week. So much QB waffling. He just sucks.

flyingfooldoug

On Kessler...."trust me on this"

Hue sucks. We still have no franchise QB to build a team around and yet other teams have found their QB.

Should he be fired? Around here (N.E. Ohio) the answer is.... Who cares?

Westside Steve

@flyingfooldoug said:

On Kessler...."trust me on this"

Hue sucks. We still have no franchise QB to build a team around and yet other teams have found their QB.

Should he be fired? Around here (N.E. Ohio) the answer is.... Who cares?

Have we ever gotten a straight answer as to who picks the quarterbacks besides consensus of a faceless Legion of underlings?

WSS

ChicopeeJohn

@westside-steve said:

Have we ever gotten a straight answer as to who picks the quarterbacks besides consensus of a faceless Legion of underlings?

Maybe it's fear of accountability. Maybe it's simply a bad organizational structure. Maybe it's a bad organization.

TexasAg1969

@chicopeejohn said:

Maybe it's fear of accountability. Maybe it's simply a bad organizational structure. Maybe it's a bad organization.

All wrong!!🥷 We use a website.

https://eightball.tridelphia.net/

Westside Steve

@chicopeejohn said:

Maybe it's fear of accountability. Maybe it's simply a bad organizational structure. Maybe it's a bad organization.

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Cleveland-Browns-front-office-coaching-staff-feuding-over-Kenny--109406477

Would we be any better or worse had someone not made the decision to sign Kenny Britt? Why would cutting veteran quarterbacks be any different?

WSS