one pretty bad sign/mark against Sashi and Paul....
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It's pointless to complain about them now really.
We don't know the results of this experiment yet.
maybe they'll produce a playoff caliber team
or maybe they haven't a clue what they're doing
maybe the variables in football are way too different than the variables in baseball for moneyball to work
or maybe we dominate next year
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That's clearly photoshopped, relax.
Let's actually break down what you're saying here:
Those picks are as following: Ogbah, Nassib, Shon Coleman, Kessler, Kizer, Ogunjobi
-Ogbah is a starter who in one and a half seasons has racked up 78 tackles and 7.5 sacks. That's not world beater numbers, but not bust label either by any means
-Nassib as a rotation bench guy in the same amount of time is at 27 tackles, 3.5 sacks. A little meh, but not HOLY Sheet bad either
-Coleman is the starting RT whose name you're starting to hear less and less often. in the world of OL, that's a good thing.
-Kessler is a back-up QB in the league, with low starter upside. I get it on this one, but he's gonna be in the league for a while I can assure you.
-Kizer doesn't look the part, but too early to really call on that
-Ogunjobi is flashing some great things, and slowly getting the reps.
Is that really awful? Do you really expect 4 HOF players or a franchise QB? The fact of the matter is those players have yielded two starters, a rotation player, a promising rookie tackle, and two shots at franchise QB's that aren't panning out. They are batting 1.000, but that's not a type of list that makes me throw up either.
The fact of the matter is those players have yielded two starters, a rotation player, a promising rookie tackle, and two shots at franchise QB's that aren't panning out
All that...and 25 cents gets you a juke box song. It doesn't get any wins though....because ya need a good QB to get wins. Other teams know that. That's why they offered US a trade.
I can imagine the Eagles & Texans war rooms on draft day. "Guy's, we're screwed. No QB is gonna fall to us. - But boss, why not call the Browns. - Huh? They need one as bad as WE do. - But boss, THEY don't know that!"
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Most folks were applauding the second round gamble on Kizer saying that that was a spot in the draft where it made sense.
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Most folks were applauding the second round gamble on Kizer saying that that was a spot in the draft where it made sense.
Most folks were applauding the second round gamble on Kizer saying that that was a spot in the draft where it made sense.
True...and most also thought he needed a year of "seasoning" not to be thrown in as the day 1 starter. Certainly not to be yanked in and out of the lineup all the fucking time.
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Most folks were applauding the second round gamble on Kizer saying that that was a spot in the draft where it made sense.
True...and most also thought he needed a year of "seasoning" not to be thrown in as the day 1 starter. Certainly not to be yanked in and out of the lineup all the fucking time.
True...and most also thought he needed a year of "seasoning" not to be thrown in as the day 1 starter. Certainly not to be yanked in and out of the lineup all the Shmucking time.
Hue is a desperate coach. Desperation leads to overthinking himself. Doing the same thing in the redzone too.
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True...and most also thought he needed a year of "seasoning" not to be thrown in as the day 1 starter. Certainly not to be yanked in and out of the lineup all the Shmucking time.
Hue is a desperate coach. Desperation leads to overthinking himself. Doing the same thing in the redzone too.
Hue is a desperate coach. Desperation leads to overthinking himself. Doing the same thing in the redzone too.
Hue is soon to be an unemployed coach too...
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He was a good 2nd rd pick assuming he could sit for a year or two, not an NFL ready qb ready on day one, especially on a team with 2 other almost rookie qbs.
He was a good 2nd rd pick assuming he could sit for a year or two, not an NFL ready qb ready on day one, especially on a team with 2 other almost rookie qbs.
True.. but ya can't change what we all saw in Camp thru-out the Pre-Season..It was Brock or Kizer..imo Kessler's new diet- adding bulk- to increase arm strength down field may have lost some of his accuracy..But Kess may now be catching up with his new body to arm rotation? but with the new OL? Kess with no pocket mobility is a cooked... DucK!!
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The problem is we never even took a chance on a top qb ever. Not once since couch. It's not like we haven't had several top picks in the last decade.
Scared to pull the trigger on anyone.
The problem is we never even took a chance on a top qb ever. Not once since couch. It's not like we haven't had several top picks in the last decade.
Scared to pull the trigger on anyone.
I have lamented this all along the way. Drafting Tim was the right thing to do. Stopping the QB quest once he busted was the problem. You simply don't pass on the QBs and WRs we have passed on and take meaningless schidt like Garrett, Winslow and Thomas. But hey, you geniuses know better.
Damn it, we a re building for the future
Damn it we are stockpiling draft picks
Damn it, this year's QBs suck................. NEXT year is when we want to take a QB. Our FO is really smart by waiting.
Damn it, we are managing assets....................................
Damn it, the average fan is just not able to understand what he is looking at
Translation? All I said about this turdbag team is coming to roost...................just as most surely does each and every year.
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That's clearly photoshopped, relax.
Let's actually break down what you're saying here:
Those picks are as following: Ogbah, Nassib, Shon Coleman, Kessler, Kizer, Ogunjobi
-Ogbah is a starter who in one and a half seasons has racked up 78 tackles and 7.5 sacks. That's not world beater numbers, but not bust label either by any means
-Nassib as a rotation bench guy in the same amount of time is at 27 tackles, 3.5 sacks. A little meh, but not HOLY Sheet bad either
-Coleman is the starting RT whose name you're starting to hear less and less often. in the world of OL, that's a good thing.
-Kessler is a back-up QB in the league, with low starter upside. I get it on this one, but he's gonna be in the league for a while I can assure you.
-Kizer doesn't look the part, but too early to really call on that
-Ogunjobi is flashing some great things, and slowly getting the reps.
Is that really awful? Do you really expect 4 HOF players or a franchise QB? The fact of the matter is those players have yielded two starters, a rotation player, a promising rookie tackle, and two shots at franchise QB's that aren't panning out. They are batting 1.000, but that's not a type of list that makes me throw up either.
That's clearly photoshopped, relax.
Let's actually break down what you're saying here:
Those picks are as following: Ogbah, Nassib, Shon Coleman, Kessler, Kizer, Ogunjobi
-Ogbah is a starter who in one and a half seasons has racked up 78 tackles and 7.5 sacks. That's not world beater numbers, but not bust label either by any means
-Nassib as a rotation bench guy in the same amount of time is at 27 tackles, 3.5 sacks. A little meh, but not HOLY Sheet bad either
-Coleman is the starting RT whose name you're starting to hear less and less often. in the world of OL, that's a good thing.
-Kessler is a back-up QB in the league, with low starter upside. I get it on this one, but he's gonna be in the league for a while I can assure you.
-Kizer doesn't look the part, but too early to really call on that
-Ogunjobi is flashing some great things, and slowly getting the reps.
Is that really awful? Do you really expect 4 HOF players or a franchise QB? The fact of the matter is those players have yielded two starters, a rotation player, a promising rookie tackle, and two shots at franchise QB's that aren't panning out. They are batting 1.000, but that's not a type of list that makes me throw up either.
Ummmmm a handful of meh and maybe vs. Wentz who's looking HOFish already. Yea it's that bad SMH
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The problem is we never even took a chance on a top qb ever. Not once since couch. It's not like we haven't had several top picks in the last decade.
Scared to pull the trigger on anyone.
Looks can be deceiving...
The problem is we never even took a chance on a top qb ever. Not once since couch. It's not like we haven't had several top picks in the last decade.
Scared to pull the trigger on anyone.
Ever? Really?
Here I thought we'd wasted a couple o' three 1st round picks on QBs since Couch.
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i wonder if they'll take a QB first round next year. If we trade down, i'll definitely be perplexed.
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Most folks were applauding the second round gamble on Kizer saying that that was a spot in the draft where it made sense.
True...and most also thought he needed a year of "seasoning" not to be thrown in as the day 1 starter. Certainly not to be yanked in and out of the lineup all the fucking time.
True...and most also thought he needed a year of "seasoning" not to be thrown in as the day 1 starter. Certainly not to be yanked in and out of the lineup all the Shmucking time.
True. Until "most" wanted him to start after a couple preseason games and then "most" were into benching him after a few losses and then "most" were into benching his replacement (thrusting Kizer back in).
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True...and most also thought he needed a year of "seasoning" not to be thrown in as the day 1 starter. Certainly not to be yanked in and out of the lineup all the Shmucking time.
True. Until "most" wanted him to start after a couple preseason games and then "most" were into benching him after a few losses and then "most" were into benching his replacement (thrusting Kizer back in).
True. Until "most" wanted him to start after a couple preseason games and then "most" were into benching him after a few losses and then "most" were into benching his replacement (thrusting Kizer back in).
And it still really isn't clear to me if "most" was Hue alone or "most" were the entire FO braintrust laying down the parameters in advance. Given Hue's other lamebrain decisions during games, I tend to think "most" was Hue alone. For a QB whisperer he has undercut his QB's during games worse than any coach in my admittedly failing memory. The worst was Kessler last year when we were winning. And when is he actually going to spend time "whispering" to his QB's on the sidelines during the games?
PS-I am aware you are defining "most" as fans on the board. I merely changed the definition.
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True. Until "most" wanted him to start after a couple preseason games and then "most" were into benching him after a few losses and then "most" were into benching his replacement (thrusting Kizer back in).
And it still really isn't clear to me if "most" was Hue alone or "most" were the entire FO braintrust laying down the parameters in advance. Given Hue's other lamebrain decisions during games, I tend to think "most" was Hue alone. For a QB whisperer he has undercut his QB's during games worse than any coach in my admittedly failing memory. The worst was Kessler last year when we were winning. And when is he actually going to spend time "whispering" to his QB's on the sidelines during the games?
PS-I am aware you are defining "most" as fans on the board. I merely changed the definition.
And when is he actually going to spend time "whispering" to his QB's on the sidelines during the games?
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True. Until "most" wanted him to start after a couple preseason games and then "most" were into benching him after a few losses and then "most" were into benching his replacement (thrusting Kizer back in).
And it still really isn't clear to me if "most" was Hue alone or "most" were the entire FO braintrust laying down the parameters in advance. Given Hue's other lamebrain decisions during games, I tend to think "most" was Hue alone. For a QB whisperer he has undercut his QB's during games worse than any coach in my admittedly failing memory. The worst was Kessler last year when we were winning. And when is he actually going to spend time "whispering" to his QB's on the sidelines during the games?
PS-I am aware you are defining "most" as fans on the board. I merely changed the definition.
And it still really isn't clear to me if "most" was Hue alone or "most" were the entire FO braintrust laying down the parameters in advance. Given Hue's other lamebrain decisions during games, I tend to think "most" was Hue alone. For a QB whisperer he has undercut his QB's during games worse than any coach in my admittedly failing memory. The worst was Kessler last year when we were winning. And when is he actually going to spend time "whispering" to his QB's on the sidelines during the games?
PS-I am aware you are defining "most" as fans on the board. I merely changed the definition.
I agree with that. I’ve been adamantly against the musical chairs. I’m just saying our fans are really no smarter than Hue on this, regardless of how much they claim to be.
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They've COMPLETELY pissed away a 3rd and 2nd round picks in back to back drafts on completely useless qbs who absolutely 100% suck and have no future.
Wasting a third and especially a second round pick on dreck qbs with no possible upside is not a good sign. These arent 6th round throwaway picks. It's a second and third rounder. Hell we just paid however many million for a second round pick from the texans, so don't tell me they arent worth good money. And for them to piss it away on Deshone freaking kizer, whose own coach talked bad of him, is a very poor sign....
waste waste waste
They've COMPLETELY pissed away a 3rd and 2nd round picks in back to back drafts on completely useless qbs who absolutely 100% suck and have no future.
Wasting a third and especially a second round pick on dreck qbs with no possible upside is not a good sign. These arent 6th round throwaway picks. It's a second and third rounder. Hell we just paid however many million for a second round pick from the texans, so don't tell me they arent worth good money. And for them to piss it away on Deshone freaking kizer, whose own coach talked bad of him, is a very poor sign....
waste waste waste
What player would you have taken that was picked between Kessler and Schobert? Between Kizer and Ogunjobi?
Ill even grant you the power of hindsight.
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i wonder if they'll take a QB first round next year. If we trade down, i'll definitely be perplexed.
i wonder if they'll take a QB first round next year. If we trade down, i'll definitely be perplexed.
Looking at where the Browns will draft (Top 3 at worst) and the fact that they have another first round pick, plus three second-rounders, combined with this draft class, with what is on the roster presently?
For reasons I don't quite understand, I feel pretty damn confident that the Browns take a QB in Round 1 in the 2018 Draft.
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Looks can be deceiving...
The problem is we never even took a chance on a top qb ever. Not once since couch. It's not like we haven't had several top picks in the last decade.
Scared to pull the trigger on anyone.
Ever? Really?
Here I thought we'd wasted a couple o' three 1st round picks on QBs since Couch.
Looks can be deceiving...
Ever? Really?
Here I thought we'd wasted a couple o' three 1st round picks on QBs since Couch.
Even still we took shots on 3rd or 4th ranked guys.
Most casual fans don’t watch much tape outside of highlight reels or what’s on broadcast tv, so it’s frustrating to hear “so and so is the best QB” and then see us routinely not make an attempt for that guy. Plenty of them we didn’t have a chance at landing anyway, but then there’s the few we traded out on...
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