"Read a lot into it. Quinn on track to be the starter"
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Only someone as attention starved as your sad soul would cherry pick a relief appearance. So, following your logic, look what a horrid Tampa team was ablel to do after getting a couple weeks of film on DA.
By the way, ALL of DA's completions against KC were short passes according to ESPN's archives.
So, again, what say you of DA's early dink and dunk tendancies?
I've never seen such a masochist. You really should seek some help.
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Only someone as attention starved as your sad soul would cherry pick a relief appearance. So, following your logic, look what a horrid Tampa team was ablel to do after getting a couple weeks of film on DA.
By the way, ALL of DA's completions against KC were short passes according to ESPN's archives.
So, again, what say you of DA's early dink and dunk tendancies?
I've never seen such a masochist. You really should seek some help.
Only someone as attention starved as your sad soul would cherry pick a relief appearance.
wow you really want to throw that one out don't you?
it makes sense for you though since it blows the shit out of anything BQ has done.
as I was saying, nobody outside of BQ Nation discounts that game.
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The New England offense actually has gotten more vertical in recent years and has incorporated a ton of spread looks. If you've got a good TE or slot guy who can wreak havoc over the middle, defenses can't simply take away the deep ball by playing Cover 2.
It's funny: just a year ago, a bunch of people here were talking about how you have to go vertical, which is why Savage was so smart to bring in Stallworth. Now, we're saying that defenses can easily take away the vertical game, so it's not all that valuable. I'm guessing the truth is somewhere in between.
Aloysius said:
The New England offense actually has gotten more vertical in recent years and has incorporated a ton of spread looks. If you've got a good TE or slot guy who can wreak havoc over the middle, defenses can't simply take away the deep ball by playing Cover 2.It's funny: just a year ago, a bunch of people here were talking about how you have to go vertical, which is why Savage was so smart to bring in Stallworth. Now, we're saying that defenses can easily take away the vertical game, so it's not all that valuable. I'm guessing the truth is somewhere in between.
That's why I think DA would do well in a place like DET - with CJ who can go up and get the ball, and can stretch the defense, it would seem to be an ideal environment.
BUF is another possibility with TO.
For Anderson to be successful, he NEEDS that big play receiver that can get errant passes in order to be successful. Every QB wants to have a guy like that, but some need it more than others.
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@shepwrite said:
• Mangini said that while Brady Quinn "took the first rep of the first practice" last week, Derek Anderson and the other quarterbacks have rotated with the first team. The rotation schedule had Quinn again with the first team today."READ A LOT INTO IT" looks like a poor choice of words now doesn't it?
Mangini said that Anderson took first reps yesterday and will again tomorrow.
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That Quinn's arm got tired from throwing all of the balls the previous three days?
Considering both guys are getting the same number of reps in practice, I can't see Quinn's getting tired to the point that DA has to step in for him as a strong point.
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@shepwrite said:
I keep reading about Quinn's TD passes... nothing on Anderson.haven't heard anything on Anderson. that's because both media days fell on Quinn days.
Sounds like Quinn threw one right to Don Carey on defense too. I thought Quinn knew Daboll's offense inside and out? He must be having problems reading defenses.
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@shepwrite said:
Didn't hear who threw that interception to Carey. Did you? Just said Carey had an interception. Assuming he isn't first team defense yet, he may have been facing a backup quarterback (like Anderson).If Anderson threw a pick, you know sure as shit that the OBR would have not wasted an opportunity to tell you about it.
The whole rest of the report is about Quinn. There is no question who threw it.
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OBR's gradually admitting the possibility that Anderson's actually in the mix at QB. Today they even went as far as stating DA "may not be that far behind Brady Quinn in Eric Mangini's eyes".
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@shepwrite said:
Alo, defenses will take away the deep ball if that's a quarterback's forte. If he can do it all AND has a running game, it's much tougher to keep those safeties back. He'll just pick you apart, like a Tom Brady.Anderson looked lost without his deep ball. So it works on him. Cover 2 Quinn and I'd bet he'd take what you gave him, which is what he did in his only healthy start.
I don't disagree that's been a problem with Anderson. He needs to improve his short game, and our running game needs to be good enough that opposing teams can't stop it using only their front sevens.
It's not a good sign that the problem hasn't been solved. Then again, all we heard last summer was that DA was improving his game by working on his abs and getting Thai massages. His conditioning was never the problem, which made it all seem so bizarre.
And he wowed everyone with his strong arm during camp (including you, if I'm not mistaken) when he should have been working on his short game. Maybe that's why you aren't hearing anything about him throwing deep ball TD's now: just as Quinn reportedly "staggered" early on in last year's camp because he changed his grip on the ball, perhaps DA's working on things that reporters sitting in on an hour of OTA's wouldn't notice.
The deep ball is something of a given for DA, whereas it isn't necessarily so for Quinn. You said he'd take what the defense gave him, but they're probably not going to give him all of that underneath stuff. I bet defenses would stack the box against Quinn early on, thinking they're better off testing BQ's arm strength, Robiskie's deep speed, and Braylon's ability to come down with the ball. And on obvious passing downs, they're going to flash a bunch of different looks at him, perhaps trying to trick him with a couple more lineman dropping into coverage.
And that's if he wins the job. From what I've heard, it sounds like we're having a real quarterback competition. Go watch Mangini's most recent presser: it's clear that he wants the public message to be that the two quarterbacks are in an open competition. Maybe it's Quinn's job to lose, but he could still lose it. I get that people here are afraid that DA's impressive arm will win him the competition, but don't you think that Mangini's smart enough to know what translates to a game setting and what doesn't? And if the offense we're installing is one that favors Quinn (as you've said) and DA still looks significantly better, what would that tell us?
If I had to guess, I'd say Quinn wins the job and DA isn't with the team past this season; his 2010 contract numbers are just too high for a backup ($2M roster bonus, $7.45M base salary). But I don't think it makes sense to tear down DA with statistical analyses that'll make whoever's our starting QB this year look bad. If Brady starts and doesn't have a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, does that mean we should move on to Ratliff?
I'd probably be happy with Matt Ryan's 16/11, assuming we actually get some rushing TD's. And I think you'd be happy as well.
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@shepwrite said:
Alo, defenses will take away the deep ball if that's a quarterback's forte. If he can do it all AND has a running game, it's much tougher to keep those safeties back. He'll just pick you apart, like a Tom Brady.Anderson looked lost without his deep ball. So it works on him. Cover 2 Quinn and I'd bet he'd take what you gave him, which is what he did in his only healthy start.
I don't disagree that's been a problem with Anderson. He needs to improve his short game, and our running game needs to be good enough that opposing teams can't stop it using only their front sevens.
It's not a good sign that the problem hasn't been solved. Then again, all we heard last summer was that DA was improving his game by working on his abs and getting Thai massages. His conditioning was never the problem, which made it all seem so bizarre.
And he wowed everyone with his strong arm during camp (including you, if I'm not mistaken) when he should have been working on his short game. Maybe that's why you aren't hearing anything about him throwing deep ball TD's now: just as Quinn reportedly "staggered" early on in last year's camp because he changed his grip on the ball, perhaps DA's working on things that reporters sitting in on an hour of OTA's wouldn't notice.
The deep ball is something of a given for DA, whereas it isn't necessarily so for Quinn. You said he'd take what the defense gave him, but they're probably not going to give him all of that underneath stuff. I bet defenses would stack the box against Quinn early on, thinking they're better off testing BQ's arm strength, Robiskie's deep speed, and Braylon's ability to come down with the ball. And on obvious passing downs, they're going to flash a bunch of different looks at him, perhaps trying to trick him with a couple more lineman dropping into coverage.
And that's if he wins the job. From what I've heard, it sounds like we're having a real quarterback competition. Go watch Mangini's most recent presser: it's clear that he wants the public message to be that the two quarterbacks are in an open competition. Maybe it's Quinn's job to lose, but he could still lose it. I get that people here are afraid that DA's impressive arm will win him the competition, but don't you think that Mangini's smart enough to know what translates to a game setting and what doesn't? And if the offense we're installing is one that favors Quinn (as you've said) and DA still looks significantly better, what would that tell us?
If I had to guess, I'd say Quinn wins the job and DA isn't with the team past this season; his 2010 contract numbers are just too high for a backup ($2M roster bonus, $7.45M base salary). But I don't think it makes sense to tear down DA with statistical analyses that'll make whoever's our starting QB this year look bad. If Brady starts and doesn't have a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, does that mean we should move on to Ratliff?
I'd probably be happy with Matt Ryan's 16/11, assuming we actually get some rushing TD's. And I think you'd be happy as well.
Aloysius said:
I'd probably be happy with Matt Ryan's 16/11, assuming we actually get some rushing TD's. And I think you'd be happy as well.And the postseason would be pretty bitchin' too.
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@danamal said:
For continuity sakeWe need to name a starting QB sooner than later ,all this indecision at QB has a negative effect on an offense and this bullshit has been going on for way to long.
Pick Quinn and stick with it.
WHOEVER IT MAY BE........as long as its Quinn
There, fixed that for ya
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@shepwrite said:
That said, I find it almost impossible to imagine him not starting the first 5-7 games of the season at worst. I can't conjure that outcome no matter how hard I try. Quinn will get his shot.FYI, you said the same thing last year too.
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@shepwrite said:
Anderson? What did I win?a buzzer noise
followed by a computer generated sound "wa... wa... waaa....."
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That Quinn's arm got tired from throwing all of the balls the previous three days?
Considering both guys are getting the same number of reps in practice, I can't see Quinn's getting tired to the point that DA has to step in for him as a strong point.
Considering both guys are getting the same number of reps in practice, I can't see Quinn's getting tired to the point that DA has to step in for him as a strong point.
Surely you're not so obtuse as to miss obvious sarcasm...
And...uh...yeah. There's a reason why you have a bunch of QBs in OTAs and camp.
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@shepwrite said:
I keep reading about Quinn's TD passes... nothing on Anderson.haven't heard anything on Anderson. that's because both media days fell on Quinn days.
Sounds like Quinn threw one right to Don Carey on defense too. I thought Quinn knew Daboll's offense inside and out? He must be having problems reading defenses.
haven't heard anything on Anderson. that's because both media days fell on Quinn days.
Sounds like Quinn threw one right to Don Carey on defense too. I thought Quinn knew Daboll's offense inside and out? He must be having problems reading defenses.
Wrong. OBR just tweeted it was Richard Bartel.
And Don Carey saying:
doncarey - LOL i was getting ready to twitt my excitement for the INT i got today but everyone beat me to the punch... yall or on ya game man... thanks
22 minutes ago from web
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Gulldawg, Lumfredrick is in high heaven on this thread. I can see him following the crackberry closely.
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This has been a very interesting thread...I feel my football knowledge is pretty solid, I'm probably a bit old school for the modern game with instant stats and the game being analized with stats up the ying yang... I think fantasy football has made a lot of experts out of the modern fan... With the crunching of statistical trends,what is needed to win jumps out at you and you'd have to be blind and a bit stupid not to recognize them...
Please don't take this in a negative way, I have a lot of respect for many of the posters on this board, Shep, Riffer, Roach & Zombo quickly come to mind, and I think this is the most entertaining site on the web....
Like I said, I'm old school, attended my 1st Browns game in 1953 and was lucky enough to have lived through the Browns dynasty years... Very similiar to the Steeler years of the 70's..... I listened to the Browns NFL championship game in 1964 on the radio in Weirton West Virginia... I remember making the trip to Cleveland with some frat brothers to celebrate their title ( The super bowl of my generation) a day or two later..
I've been in my share of locker rooms, at least enough to recognize what it takes to be a winner... Speaking of the Steeler years, I remember Bradshaw, who was accused of being so dumb he couldn't spell cat even if you spotted him a c and a t..... I also remember Swann & Stallworth making a ton of highlight reel catches that went on the stat sheet as a catch or TD for Bradshaw... You could say that those receivers along with Franco, "immaculate reception" Harris, Rocky Blier and others in that high powered offenses put Bradshaw in the HOF...
I see a lot of Bradshaw in DA with the only thing missing is the supporting cast.... Truth of the matter is, great QB's make the play when the play has to be made... Kosar did it, Sipe did it---- It's what great QB's do... Now don't start yelling DA couldn't do it, he sucks, kick him to the curb----remember receivers make the QB and visa versa.......
On the other hand , I see a bit of Kosar in Quinn.... Kosar beat you with his skills along with his mind....I say bit because I haven't seen Quinn play in a meaningful game... Keep in mind I missed last season and only read of Quinns performance in the 3 games that he started..... Personally I think his time has come and he should be under center come opening day... I want to see if he can make the play when the play has to be made...
The beauty of this competition is, if Quinn can't cut it, we still have DA.... I like our odds this year.....
ps. Guaranteed I make a tailgate this fall....
peace
T.Dawg
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Another aspect of all this is the Mangini factor. This guy is huge on earning your roster or starting spot and competition, and that includes QB.
It would look pretty hypocritical of him to just hand the job to Quinn without giving off at least the facade that it's a fair competition.
DA will have to seriously outplay Quinn to start, and does anybody really think that will happen in Daboll's offense? This isn't Chud in Big Arm Love fresh off a Phillip contract and starting announcement. Also, guys get hurt and Quinn could go down in camp. Would you rather have DA feeling he was the backup at that point or actually had a shot for the job?
Everything Mangini does is well thought out and thorough, so he's doing just as he should and it's par for his course.
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I totally agree.... I can't fathom Anderson starting... The only way that is possible is if he completely out plays Quinn... It would have to be by leaps and bounds.... I'm good with that....
The little I've seen of Quinn he's impressed me... I like his football make up and seriously, whats not to like about him... He can be the face of my franchise as long as he wins...
The offense that I think I'll be seeing this season appears to fit Quinns game quite well.... Lets run with it and put together multiple winning seasons and playoff appearances.... Once again, I want the QB job to be won or lost, on the field....
DA's not stupid either... It's a business and I'd bet money that he worked on his weaknesses in the off season... I would imagine that he did a lot of film work and probably consulted with people that could improve his game.....He knows quite well what the game is all about and in addition if he plays lights out this season he has a 7.5 million plus contract as his prize...
Quinn will be given every opportunity to win or lose the job... He's no dummy either and knows what the stakes are for him financially.... Quinn starts and I hope he's fantastic....
peace
T.Dawg
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Another point, there are still teams that could use an upgrade in their Qb position... Good news coming out from Berera about DA increases the chances that we get a can't refuse offer for his services....
Mangini is out of the Belicheck (sic???) mold and deception is a trait that he may have picked up... Ratliff on the roster makes a trade that much more possible....
It wouldn't surprise me though if DA was on the squad the entire year.... Next years contract isn't guaranteed and he'd be good insurance...
peace
T.Dawg
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