Heisman Boom or Bust?
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One interesting case is Doug Flutie. Here I have him in the "middle ground", for his NFL career. But the fact is, he is a HOFer in Canadian football. And though you love the guy playing for your team (ask Bills fans), I don't think his NFL career was quite good enough to give him the Boom designation.
(one guy that should take a clue from Flutie is one of the busts up here: Mr. JFF)
One interesting case is Doug Flutie. Here I have him in the "middle ground", for his NFL career. But the fact is, he is a HOFer in Canadian football. And though you love the guy playing for your team (ask Bills fans), I don't think his NFL career was quite good enough to give him the Boom designation.
(one guy that should take a clue from Flutie is one of the busts up here: Mr. JFF)
Doug Fluties NFL numbers would make him better than any QB we've had since 99.
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Still can't believe Henry won over Watson that year
Agree. Elliot also would have been a better choice.
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One interesting case is Doug Flutie. Here I have him in the "middle ground", for his NFL career. But the fact is, he is a HOFer in Canadian football. And though you love the guy playing for your team (ask Bills fans), I don't think his NFL career was quite good enough to give him the Boom designation.
(one guy that should take a clue from Flutie is one of the busts up here: Mr. JFF)
Doug Fluties NFL numbers would make him better than any QB we've had since 99.
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Agree with most..
Ingram - Bust
Bradford - Bust
Reggie Bush - If he's not a bust, he defines the bottom of the remotely-NFL-caliber category.
Newton - Defense carried them to the SB. He may not be a bust but he's nowhere near a boom.
Winston is closing in on bust level this year in TB.. I'm only paying attention bc he's riding the pine for me in FF. He threw an int/fumble just yesterday that was high school caliber.. at no point is it a good idea to try an option pitch just to avoid a sack.
Mariota looks boom, too soon for Henry.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Another couple I am having a debate with myself about:
George Rogers. Did gain 7176 yards rushing in his career. While not top tier, that is a pretty decent career. Which is why I put him in "the middle ground".
On the other hand: Herschel Walker gained 8225 yards rushing plus another 4859 yard receiving in his career....and that is just his NFL career, not including his USFL days. He had over 13,000 total yards....which puts him 45th all time. I think I will revise him to a Boom.
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Rozier would have been right there with George Rogers had he not wasted 2 seasons on USFL rosters
Ron Dayne - Bust
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Agree with most..
Ingram - Bust
Bradford - Bust
Reggie Bush - If he's not a bust, he defines the bottom of the remotely-NFL-caliber category.
Newton - Defense carried them to the SB. He may not be a bust but he's nowhere near a boom.
Winston is closing in on bust level this year in TB.. I'm only paying attention bc he's riding the pine for me in FF. He threw an int/fumble just yesterday that was high school caliber.. at no point is it a good idea to try an option pitch just to avoid a sack.
Mariota looks boom, too soon for Henry.
Agree with most..
Ingram - Bust
Bradford - Bust
Reggie Bush - If he's not a bust, he defines the bottom of the remotely-NFL-caliber category.
Newton - Defense carried them to the SB. He may not be a bust but he's nowhere near a boom.
Winston is closing in on bust level this year in TB.. I'm only paying attention bc he's riding the pine for me in FF. He threw an int/fumble just yesterday that was high school caliber.. at no point is it a good idea to try an option pitch just to avoid a sack.
Mariota looks boom, too soon for Henry.
Bradford and Ingram are still in the middle of their careers.....that is why I put them in the "middle ground" as they still likely have a lot of career left. Plus...they are not BAD. Bradford is not like the Tebows, JMZ, Crouch, Weinke's, Leinert's, Ware etc.
And While Bush's career is basically over, he has gained over 9000 total yards in his career. Which is also pretty good. More that some HOF, like Frank Gifford, Larry Csonka, Paul Warfield, Terrell Davis, John Stallworth, Floyd Little, Ozzie Newsome. etc. So, while not a boom, also not a bust.
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Rozier would have been right there with George Rogers had he not wasted 2 seasons on USFL rosters
Ron Dayne - Bust
Rozier would have been right there with George Rogers had he not wasted 2 seasons on USFL rosters
Ron Dayne - Bust
Well, I did kind of put him there with George Rogers...in the middle ground area. Rozier had over 4400 yards rushing in the NFL. Plus, as you say, USFL production.
Dayne? Maybe....borderline. He had 3722 yards rushing in 7 years. Borderline bust.
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Notice, that in "this" Century....I only have two Heisman winners in the Boom category: Palmer and Newton.....and you have argued about Newton.
Compare the period from like 1976 to 1988. Only one bust on that group. (Charles White.....only about 3K yards in 8 years).
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Ingram is still Brees' primary back in NO along with Camara-the two sent AP packing so a bust he is most certainly not.
JFF was willing to go to Canada but they have not reciprocated as of yet.
Bradford is very good when healthy but that is not often.
Henry needs to be with anyone other than the team that is lost on when to use him. They suck as badly as we do coachingwise.
Famous Jameis is still in the running.
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As far as I can tell, only the following Heisman Trophy Winners ever played for the Cleveland Browns:
Charles White
Vinny Testaverde
Ty Detmer
Robert Griffin III
Johnny Manziel
plus: Ernie Davis
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Agree. Elliot also would have been a better choice.
Except for Henry besting him in pretty much every category.
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Agree. Elliot also would have been a better choice.
Except for Henry besting him in pretty much every category.
Except for Henry besting him in pretty much every category.
Except talent.
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Well good thing the award's not based on talent then....
To a great extent....that is true.
Except, of course, the subject of this thread is: how well did Heisman winners do in the pro ranks.
Yes....the award is based purely on performance...in one year....in college. And that is fine....but its off topic.
But....no one thought that RGIII had better talent than Andrew Luck....yet, who won?
Jason White won the trophy over all of the following: Eli Manning, Ben R., Phillip Rivers, Larry Fitzgerald
Chris Weinke beat out Drew Brees and LaDanian Tomlinson
And here is a real interesting Heisman voting year: 2001.....the top 5 vote getters for the Heisman were: Eric Crouch, Rex Grossman, Ken Dorsey, Joey Harrington, David Carr. Probably the biggest bust year for QBs in history (though...OK, sure, Grossman did take his team to a Super Bowl).
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To be good in the NCAA football in general and the Heisman more specifically going back to 1935 has never been an guarantee of future success in the business of NFL football.
The rest of the list:
1962 Voting Terry Baker Oregon State 112 Cmp, 203 Att, 1738 Yds, 15 TD, 5 Int 1961 Voting Ernie Davis Syracuse 150 Att, 823 Yds, 5.5 Avg, 12 TD 1960 Voting Joe Bellino Navy 168 Att, 834 Yds, 5.0 Avg 1959 Voting Billy Cannon LSU 139 Att, 598 Yds, 4.3 Avg, 5 TD 1958 Voting Pete Dawkins Army 78 Att, 428 Yds, 5.5 Avg, 5 TD 1957 Voting John David Crow Texas A&M 129 Att, 562 Yds, 4.4 Avg, 6 TD 1956 Voting Paul Hornung Notre Dame 59 Cmp, 111 Att, 917 Yds, 3 TD, 13 Int 1955 Voting Howard Cassady Ohio State 1954 Voting Alan Ameche Wisconsin 146 Att, 641 Yds, 4.4 Avg, 0 TD 1953 Voting John Lattner Notre Dame 1952 Voting Billy Vessels Oklahoma 167 Att, 1072 Yds, 6.4 Avg, 17 TD 1951 Voting finger Kazmaier Princeton 77 Cmp, 123 Att, 966 Yds, 13 TD, 5 Int 1950 Voting Vic Janowicz Ohio State 32 Cmp, 77 Att, 561 Yds, 12 TD, 7 Int 1949 Voting Leon Hart Notre Dame 19 Rec, 257 Yds, 13.5 Avg, 5 TD 1948 Voting Doak Walker SMU 122 Att, 598 Yds, 4.9 Avg, 8 TD 1947 Voting John Lujack Notre Dame 1946 Voting Glenn Davis Army 123 Att, 712 Yds, 5.8 Avg, 7 TD 1945 Voting Doc Blanchard Army 101 Att, 722 Yds, 7.1 Avg, 16 TD 1944 Voting Les Horvath Ohio State 14 Cmp, 32 Att, 344 Yds, 3 TD, 4 Int 1943 Voting Angelo Bertelli Notre Dame 25 Cmp, 36 Att, 512 Yds, 10 TD, 4 Int 1942 Voting Frank Sinkwich Georgia 89 Cmp, 176 Att, 1456 Yds, 10 TD, 9 Int FROM YOUNGSTOWN CHANEY, PLAYED BALL WITH MY FATHER IN LAW 1941 Voting Bruce Smith Minnesota 13 Cmp, 31 Att, 320 Yds, 2 TD, 2 Int 1940 Voting Tom Harmon Michigan 43 Cmp, 94 Att, 506 Yds, 6 TD, 11 Int 1939 Voting Nile Kinnick Iowa 106 Att, 374 Yds, 3.5 Avg, 5 TD 1938 Voting Davey O'Brien Texas Christian 93 Cmp, 167 Att, 1509 Yds, 19 TD, 4 Int 1937 Voting Clint Frank Yale 1936 Voting Larry Kelley Yale 1935 Voting Jay Berwanger Chicago
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