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  • stillmotionS stillmotion

    @hoorta said:

    I (sort of) agree about playing Kizer the rest of the way out- but IMHO, he's about to become another name on the famous jersey. At this point- it really doesn't matter much who we play at qb. Regardless of how Deshone plays- We're drafting a qb with that #1 overall pick. The 49ers cleared the decks (even should we luck out and win a game)for us by making the trade for Garropolo. I'm sure MKC is crushed by the news.  🙂  

    LOL, probably the only way we win one this year is to keep it close say- against the Packers, and our D gets a couple scores to win the game. 

    Jimmy G is a winner. I'd like to see the FO's strategy on getting a quarterback. Oh and I had UCLA fans tell me today we should NOT chose Josh Rosen, He is NOT to be trusted.

    Please Cousins/Barkley

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    @stillmotion said:

    Jimmy G is a winner. I'd like to see the FO's strategy on getting a quarterback. Oh and I had UCLA fans tell me today we should NOT chose Josh Rosen, He is NOT to be trusted.

    Please Cousins/Barkley

    How do you know he's a winner?  Because he won in college at a small school?  That doesn't exactly translate into guaranteed NFL success.    He's only played a couple of NFL games and got hurt in the 3rd as I recall.  Not exactly a complete resume.   On Rosen....i don't disagree.  He has sounded to me like a taller version of Johnny Manziel.

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      @stillmotion said:

      Jimmy G is a winner. I'd like to see the FO's strategy on getting a quarterback. Oh and I had UCLA fans tell me today we should NOT chose Josh Rosen, He is NOT to be trusted.

      Please Cousins/Barkley

      How do you know he's a winner?  Because he won in college at a small school?  That doesn't exactly translate into guaranteed NFL success.    He's only played a couple of NFL games and got hurt in the 3rd as I recall.  Not exactly a complete resume.   On Rosen....i don't disagree.  He has sounded to me like a taller version of Johnny Manziel.

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      @mark-o said:

      How do you know he's a winner?  Because he won in college at a small school?  That doesn't exactly translate into guaranteed NFL success.    He's only played a couple of NFL games and got hurt in the 3rd as I recall.  Not exactly a complete resume.   On Rosen....i don't disagree.  He has sounded to me like a taller version of Johnny Manziel.

      Just a feeling. Maybe i'm wrong but i love his work ethic, quick release, and the fact he's studied under brady. I think he has the potential to be Rodgers caliber and Shanahan will definitely play out his strengths.

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      • stillmotionS stillmotion

        @hoorta said:

        I (sort of) agree about playing Kizer the rest of the way out- but IMHO, he's about to become another name on the famous jersey. At this point- it really doesn't matter much who we play at qb. Regardless of how Deshone plays- We're drafting a qb with that #1 overall pick. The 49ers cleared the decks (even should we luck out and win a game)for us by making the trade for Garropolo. I'm sure MKC is crushed by the news.  🙂  

        LOL, probably the only way we win one this year is to keep it close say- against the Packers, and our D gets a couple scores to win the game. 

        Jimmy G is a winner. I'd like to see the FO's strategy on getting a quarterback. Oh and I had UCLA fans tell me today we should NOT chose Josh Rosen, He is NOT to be trusted.

        Please Cousins/Barkley

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        @stillmotion said:

        Jimmy G is a winner. I'd like to see the FO's strategy on getting a quarterback. Oh and I had UCLA fans tell me today we should NOT chose Josh Rosen, He is NOT to be trusted.

        Please Cousins/Barkley

        Cousins? Maybe good, not elite talent. Barkley? With a top 3 pick? Um, nope. Let's look at "generational" or top running backs of late. How many can you name of late that have won a SB? Peterson? Nope. Elliot may win one- eventually- in a perfect situation. Chris Johnson? Arian Foster? Lesean McCoy? Demarco Murray? Even HOFer Ladanian Tomlinson never won one. I rest my case- it's QB or bust. 

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          @stillmotion said:

          Jimmy G is a winner. I'd like to see the FO's strategy on getting a quarterback. Oh and I had UCLA fans tell me today we should NOT chose Josh Rosen, He is NOT to be trusted.

          Please Cousins/Barkley

          Cousins? Maybe good, not elite talent. Barkley? With a top 3 pick? Um, nope. Let's look at "generational" or top running backs of late. How many can you name of late that have won a SB? Peterson? Nope. Elliot may win one- eventually- in a perfect situation. Chris Johnson? Arian Foster? Lesean McCoy? Demarco Murray? Even HOFer Ladanian Tomlinson never won one. I rest my case- it's QB or bust. 

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          @hoorta said:

          Cousins? Maybe good, not elite talent. Barkley? With a top 3 pick? Um, nope. Let's look at "generational" or top running backs. How many can you name of late that have won a SB? Peterson? Nope. Elliot may win one- eventually- in a perfect situation. Chris Johnson? Arian Foster? Lesean McCoy? Demarco Murray? I rest my case- it's QB or bust. 

          Name a QB that's franchise material next year.

          If we pick a bust, we're the biggest Shmuckup of a franchise in sports the past 20 years.

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            @hoorta said:

            Cousins? Maybe good, not elite talent. Barkley? With a top 3 pick? Um, nope. Let's look at "generational" or top running backs. How many can you name of late that have won a SB? Peterson? Nope. Elliot may win one- eventually- in a perfect situation. Chris Johnson? Arian Foster? Lesean McCoy? Demarco Murray? I rest my case- it's QB or bust. 

            Name a QB that's franchise material next year.

            If we pick a bust, we're the biggest Shmuckup of a franchise in sports the past 20 years.

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            @stillmotion said:

            Name a QB that's franchise material next year.

            If we pick a bust, we're the biggest Shmuckup of a franchise in sports the past 20 years.

            Oh, only about 3 that are getting their names tossed around now. We already passed on Wentz and Watson, so we're already the biggest screwup in the history of the NFL since 2000. One more won't drag the reputation down one iota....  

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              @stillmotion said:

              Name a QB that's franchise material next year.

              If we pick a bust, we're the biggest Shmuckup of a franchise in sports the past 20 years.

              Oh, only about 3 that are getting their names tossed around now. We already passed on Wentz and Watson, so we're already the biggest screwup in the history of the NFL since 2000. One more won't drag the reputation down one iota....  

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              @hoorta said:

              Oh, only about 3 that are getting their names tossed around now. We already passed on Wentz and Watson, so we're already the biggest screwup in the history of the NFL since 2000. One more won't drag the reputation down one iota....  

              Please no to Josh Rosen or D'Arnold. I'm cool with anyone else.

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                @hoorta said:

                Oh, only about 3 that are getting their names tossed around now. We already passed on Wentz and Watson, so we're already the biggest screwup in the history of the NFL since 2000. One more won't drag the reputation down one iota....  

                Please no to Josh Rosen or D'Arnold. I'm cool with anyone else.

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                @stillmotion said:

                Please no to Josh Rosen or D'Arnold. I'm cool with anyone else.

                It's early guy... Plenty of time to discuss relative merits...   We could have a fast riser ala Wentz come out of nowhere.... All I can say is I've cooled off on Allen, watched a couple of his games...  

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                  @stillmotion said:

                  Please no to Josh Rosen or D'Arnold. I'm cool with anyone else.

                  It's early guy... Plenty of time to discuss relative merits...   We could have a fast riser ala Wentz come out of nowhere.... All I can say is I've cooled off on Allen, watched a couple of his games...  

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                  @hoorta said:

                  It's early guy... Plenty of time to discuss relative merits...   We could have a fast riser ala Wentz come out of nowhere.... All I can say is I've cooled off on Allen, watched a couple of his games...  

                  Ditto on Allen.

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                    @mark-o said:

                    How do you know he's a winner?  Because he won in college at a small school?  That doesn't exactly translate into guaranteed NFL success.    He's only played a couple of NFL games and got hurt in the 3rd as I recall.  Not exactly a complete resume.   On Rosen....i don't disagree.  He has sounded to me like a taller version of Johnny Manziel.

                    Just a feeling. Maybe i'm wrong but i love his work ethic, quick release, and the fact he's studied under brady. I think he has the potential to be Rodgers caliber and Shanahan will definitely play out his strengths.

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                    @stillmotion said:

                    Just a feeling. Maybe i'm wrong but i love his work ethic, quick release, and the fact he's studied under brady. I think he has the potential to be Rodgers caliber and Shanahan will definitely play out his strengths.

                    Matt Cassell studied under Brady as well.  How did that work out for KC after they gave him his huge contract?

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                      @ghoolie said:

                      This franchise in such a mess, we don't really have anything new to talk about. There isn't even enough meat on the bone for me to rile the board up.

                      How do you not clean house?

                      It is not in a mess, they tore it down and started again. The defense is bloody good, the offensive line is good. Yes without a QB none of it will matter but guess what, they will keep trying to get one. They have the picks again (because of how they've worked the draft) to get one and they will. Drafting a QB is tough so they keep taking one and keep making sure they have the picks to do so. Cleaning house is without question the worst thing that could happen to the Browns now, it will not happen.

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                      @londonbrown said:

                      It is not in a mess, they tore it down and started again. The defense is bloody good, the offensive line is good. Yes without a QB none of it will matter but guess what, they will keep trying to get one. They have the picks again (because of how they've worked the draft) to get one and they will. Drafting a QB is tough so they keep taking one and keep making sure they have the picks to do so. Cleaning house is without question the worst thing that could happen to the Browns now, it will not happen.

                      our dvoa is 18th...I wouldn't call that "bloody good".....

                      http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

                      and honestly I bet we finish 20something in this as well.

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