The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread
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It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
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It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
The 1994 team was legit...built from the ground up and even won a playoff game and was going to be a contender for awhile if not for the move. Butchs' team was pretty good too. Only a Dennis Dropcutt butterfingers moment away from beating the squeelers in Pittsburgh.
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When exactly did the Texans do this? If you're referring to now, well they've had a pretty decent team since about 2010. If you're going to count 2013 as some kind of "hole" that they got out of then you have no interest in actual analysis here.
The Saints have been mediocre for years. Not great but not terrible. Yeah they're really good this year. When was this hole though?
The Bucs built the team before Winston got there.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
Exactly the 'Aints (as their fans called them at the time) started the tradition of wearing paper bags on their heads to games. FWIW- looked it up, the Saints first season was 1967. (also the first year of the SB, though it wasn't called that then) They won the Super Bowl in 2009. The Browns as well as the Lions are the only two remaining "old" teams that have never been. & at the rate of progress we're currently seeing- our first visit to the promised land isn't coming anytime soon.
IT'S ABOUT FREAKING TIME ALREADY!!!!
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How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
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How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
Because this team hasn't been relevant in a decade. Just one shit show after another. I'm happy you're excited our 0-8 defense has nice rankings. Those of us who have been fans for a long time (40+ years in my case) are tired of waiting around when teams go from the dumpster to contenders in just a couple years. Speaking for myself...the last few years have finally broken me as a fan. I still watch and want them to win every week, but the days of me caring or getting even remotely upset are long gone. It will take a lot of good play on the field to get me to care about this shit sandwich of a franchise like I used to.
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How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
I believe everyone has acknowledged improvement on the defense. The problem is the offense is horrendous and the front office is ran by a gaggle of autistic kids.
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How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
Because this team hasn't been relevant in a decade. Just one shit show after another. I'm happy you're excited our 0-8 defense has nice rankings. Those of us who have been fans for a long time (40+ years in my case) are tired of waiting around when teams go from the dumpster to contenders in just a couple years. Speaking for myself...the last few years have finally broken me as a fan. I still watch and want them to win every week, but the days of me caring or getting even remotely upset are long gone. It will take a lot of good play on the field to get me to care about this shit sandwich of a franchise like I used to.
Because this team hasn't been relevant in a decade. Just one Sheet show after another. I'm happy you're excited our 0-8 defense has nice rankings. Those of us who have been fans for a long time (40+ years in my case) are tired of waiting around when teams go from the dumpster to contenders in just a couple years. Speaking for myself...the last few years have finally broken me as a fan. I still watch and want them to win every week, but the days of me caring or getting even remotely upset are long gone. It will take a lot of good play on the field to get me to care about this Sheet sandwich of a franchise like I used to.
You're speaking for me also Mark, and I go back all the way to the days of Jim Brown. The Titans disaster that I drove 200 miles to see finally did it. I've always said I'd burn my season tickets rather than sell them to a fan of another team- but I finally got so fed up I told my lifelong pal Don (who's the ticket holder of record) screw it- dump those seats for whatever you can get, I'm not wasting my time anymore this season going to games. Our 20 yard line lower deck netted us 40 cents on a dollar. It's not just me that got worn out spending 24 hours of my weekend and six hours of driving up for the games, Don only has a 12 mile drive from Independence to the stadium, and he's not bothering going either.
Canton Mike is boycotting too, and I hope Jimmy looks at a half empty stadium that's filled mostly with fans from the other team to realize- your team has essentially become unwatchable.
And to those that say there's bight spots- sure there are. It's like way back in my Grandpa's day before they starting using chlorine at the sewage station. Seeing a tomato plant growing in a pile of crap, and saying- wow, ain't that pretty!!!!!
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Because this team hasn't been relevant in a decade. Just one Sheet show after another. I'm happy you're excited our 0-8 defense has nice rankings. Those of us who have been fans for a long time (40+ years in my case) are tired of waiting around when teams go from the dumpster to contenders in just a couple years. Speaking for myself...the last few years have finally broken me as a fan. I still watch and want them to win every week, but the days of me caring or getting even remotely upset are long gone. It will take a lot of good play on the field to get me to care about this Sheet sandwich of a franchise like I used to.
You're speaking for me also Mark, and I go back all the way to the days of Jim Brown. The Titans disaster that I drove 200 miles to see finally did it. I've always said I'd burn my season tickets rather than sell them to a fan of another team- but I finally got so fed up I told my lifelong pal Don (who's the ticket holder of record) screw it- dump those seats for whatever you can get, I'm not wasting my time anymore this season going to games. Our 20 yard line lower deck netted us 40 cents on a dollar. It's not just me that got worn out spending 24 hours of my weekend and six hours of driving up for the games, Don only has a 12 mile drive from Independence to the stadium, and he's not bothering going either.
Canton Mike is boycotting too, and I hope Jimmy looks at a half empty stadium that's filled mostly with fans from the other team to realize- your team has essentially become unwatchable.
And to those that say there's bight spots- sure there are. It's like way back in my Grandpa's day before they starting using chlorine at the sewage station. Seeing a tomato plant growing in a pile of crap, and saying- wow, ain't that pretty!!!!!
You're speaking for me also Mark, and I go back all the way to the days of Jim Brown. The Titans disaster that I drove 200 miles to see finally did it. I've always said I'd burn my season tickets rather than sell them to a fan of another team- but I finally got so fed up I told my lifelong pal Don (who's the ticket holder of record) screw it- dump those seats for whatever you can get, I'm not wasting my time anymore this season going to games. Our 20 yard line lower deck netted us 40 cents on a dollar. It's not just me that got worn out spending 24 hours of my weekend and six hours of driving up for the games, Don only has a 12 mile drive from Independence to the stadium, and he's not bothering going either.
I'd have a hard time going if i lived back there, even if I had tickets. I've turned down free tickets to watch them play the Chargers, I'd rather stay home so I can watch the other games at the same time and not be stuck with the Browns.
Next year's trip to Cleveland is all about going to see OSU play for me. I've never seen the Buckeyes play in person, so I'm coming back for an early season game where I can get tickets without needing a 2nd mortgage on my house. If the Browns are home the same weekend as the OSU game that works best for me, I'll go see them play too, otherwise, I'll just come back to see OSU play.
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I went through my entire adolescence and beyond with the Browns being in the playoffs.
From the time I was 12 until I was 20 the Browns only missed the playoff 2 years.....and were in it 7 times. And this was before the expanded playoff system.
And then in the decade when I was between 28-38, they were in the playoffs again for like 7 out of those 10 years.
But they have only been it the playoff twice since 1989.....
So, it seems to me that yes, practically 2 generations of Browns fans have gone without having the Browns be a decent, playoff team.
But I certainly remember how crazy it was...and how it could be the same again.
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
I didn't think that. In fact, they damn well should have won that playoff game if you recall. They had it won until...in typical Browns fashion, they took whatever steps were necessary to lose a game.
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I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
After 2015 the Browns tore this entire football club down, and I mean down, completely. It wasn’t just a regime change like has happened in the NFL ad nauseam, it was a deliberate wipe out of almost everything that had been before. I bet they even changed the toothpaste in dressing rooms.
As of the start of the 2016 draft the Browns were an expansion team, the fans don’t believe that, but it IS what they believe in Berea, even if they’d never admit it publicly.
So, onto what they’ve done since, start by admitting to yourself that no FO is ever going to hit on every pick, every trade, every waiver or every cut. It doesn’t happen here and it doesn’t happen in NE. The problem here is when you tear it all down every decision is magnified, why cut Haden and watch TY Hilton get 254 yards in one game? That’s because it is IRRELEVANT. One big play, or two, or three, is not why Haslam put this FO in place and it isn’t why Podesta is here to apparently ruin his reputation.
This is and was a 3, 4 or 5 draft “process”, I don’t care how many of you hate that word, but it is a fact. It’s an expansion team. They have already put together a good defense you can see it on the field. If the offense keeps them off it they will be even better, which brings me to the main issue, our offense. The line is fixed already if all fit, no question.
We don’t have a QB right now, they know it and the fans certainly know it. But guess what?.... they aren’t stuck with what they have, they will draft one next year like they have the last two because they know that you can never stop looking. Shoving a second and a third on one and yet keeping lots of picks was deliberate, they took chances.
The roster is getting better, and once they hit the QB, a lot will be in place. They are doing what they set out to do two years ago. And I hope Jimmy lets them they carry on with it.
I will start this by saying that I still completely do, 100%, agree with the current front office approach to changing the Browns. I know that’s an unpopular opinion and I know that lots here will either stop reading through disillusion or plain anger, but it is how I feel.
I'm with you LB...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Gip.. Those two seasons the Browns made the playoffs.. At least to me felt like frauds.. Especially Butch Davis's squad...
I didn't think that. In fact, they damn well should have won that playoff game if you recall. They had it won until...in typical Browns fashion, they took whatever steps were necessary to lose a game.
I didn't think that. In fact, they damn well should have won that playoff game if you recall. They had it won until...in typical Browns fashion, they took whatever steps were necessary to lose a game.
I think we may have cornered the market in that regard.. This Team/franchise and city are on thin ice.. or about as close to thin ice as one gets... Whatever is coming after this cluster phuck of a regime may be the last ... The next FO/HC will almost certainly be expected to show something marked in improvement right away.
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People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
LALALALA potential doesn't mean crap War. I value 4 wins over ZERO got it? that's the damn object of the game. If this was like European soccer, the Browns would get relegated to the minor league.
"The Process" is going to get tweaked- you know the buzzword is continual process improvement- and there's a hell of a lot at this point that needs improving.
LALALALA potential doesn't mean crap War. I value 4 wins over ZERO got it? that's the damn object of the game. If this was like European soccer, the Browns would get relegated to the minor league.
"The Process" is going to get tweaked- you know the buzzword is continual process improvement- and there's a hell of a lot at this point that needs improving.
No, you value 4 wins every season until you die instead of the possibility of this build working out and us winning a Super Bowl. That's what you value.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
The Texans have had a whopping 4 coaches in their 16 seasons and the same GM for over 10 years. Terrible example.
It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
Well get used to it, because scrapping this regime will just add another two years (minimum) to it.
How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
You're spot on, though you don't help your cause posting all the negativity you have been.
I believe everyone has acknowledged improvement on the defense. The problem is the offense is horrendous and the front office is ran by a gaggle of autistic kids.
And yet they put the players on the defense necessary for the improvement to occur. You don't know what you're talking about.
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LALALALA potential doesn't mean crap War. I value 4 wins over ZERO got it? that's the damn object of the game. If this was like European soccer, the Browns would get relegated to the minor league.
"The Process" is going to get tweaked- you know the buzzword is continual process improvement- and there's a hell of a lot at this point that needs improving.
No, you value 4 wins every season until you die instead of the possibility of this build working out and us winning a Super Bowl. That's what you value.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
The Texans have had a whopping 4 coaches in their 16 seasons and the same GM for over 10 years. Terrible example.
It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
Well get used to it, because scrapping this regime will just add another two years (minimum) to it.
How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
You're spot on, though you don't help your cause posting all the negativity you have been.
I believe everyone has acknowledged improvement on the defense. The problem is the offense is horrendous and the front office is ran by a gaggle of autistic kids.
And yet they put the players on the defense necessary for the improvement to occur. You don't know what you're talking about.
No, you value 4 wins every season until you die instead of the possibility of this build working out and us winning a Super Bowl. That's what you value.
I just haven't seen progress war. We all expected a few wins and a better team this year. We expected fire, and now the Front office and Coaches are fighting. One of them will be fired, and if Hue is fired, how are you sure it's possible another random coach would lead us to a superbowl with a lawyer and baseball statistician's plan?
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No, you value 4 wins every season until you die instead of the possibility of this build working out and us winning a Super Bowl. That's what you value.
I just haven't seen progress war. We all expected a few wins and a better team this year. We expected fire, and now the Front office and Coaches are fighting. One of them will be fired, and if Hue is fired, how are you sure it's possible another random coach would lead us to a superbowl with a lawyer and baseball statistician's plan?
I just haven't seen progress war. We all expected a few wins and a better team this year. We expected fire, and now the Front office and Coaches are fighting. One of them will be fired, and if Hue is fired, how are you sure it's possible another random coach would lead us to a superbowl with a lawyer and baseball statistician's plan?
Kinda like putting a lumberjack in the left chair of a 747. Probably won't end well.
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LALALALA potential doesn't mean crap War. I value 4 wins over ZERO got it? that's the damn object of the game. If this was like European soccer, the Browns would get relegated to the minor league.
"The Process" is going to get tweaked- you know the buzzword is continual process improvement- and there's a hell of a lot at this point that needs improving.
No, you value 4 wins every season until you die instead of the possibility of this build working out and us winning a Super Bowl. That's what you value.
War, you are showing your age.
Think further back. The Bucs and Saints were absolute jokes for years. They both built teams using traditional methods and won championships. The Texans were hot garbage their first 7-8 years or so.
None of them salted the Earth and then tried to rebuild.
The Texans have had a whopping 4 coaches in their 16 seasons and the same GM for over 10 years. Terrible example.
It's hilarious... These millenials just don't get what its like around here during playoff time when the browns are involved...I'm sick of waiting....
Well get used to it, because scrapping this regime will just add another two years (minimum) to it.
How some of you can look at a defense that is finally building something after years of being in the bottom 5, after only one year of our current DC, and say this isnt moving fast enough for me blah blah. This is why we cant have nice things.
Ur impatience ensures the rebuild bever happens. Pgh thanks u all, the browns remain 2 easy wins on the schedule
You're spot on, though you don't help your cause posting all the negativity you have been.
I believe everyone has acknowledged improvement on the defense. The problem is the offense is horrendous and the front office is ran by a gaggle of autistic kids.
And yet they put the players on the defense necessary for the improvement to occur. You don't know what you're talking about.
And yet they put the players on the defense necessary for the improvement to occur. You don't know what you're talking about.
Williams has way more to do with it than this FO. And they also stocked the offense....or rather didn't stock the offense after many swings.
I see you avoided the Saints and Bucs but that doesn't fit the narrative. But by all means keep tooting the horn of the front office and head coach that are taking the Browns to all new territory. It might be "worst team of all time" territory but it is new so it is cool!
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No, you value 4 wins every season until you die instead of the possibility of this build working out and us winning a Super Bowl. That's what you value.
I just haven't seen progress war. We all expected a few wins and a better team this year. We expected fire, and now the Front office and Coaches are fighting. One of them will be fired, and if Hue is fired, how are you sure it's possible another random coach would lead us to a superbowl with a lawyer and baseball statistician's plan?
I just haven't seen progress war. We all expected a few wins and a better team this year. We expected fire, and now the Front office and Coaches are fighting. One of them will be fired, and if Hue is fired, how are you sure it's possible another random coach would lead us to a superbowl with a lawyer and baseball statistician's plan?
Progress is losing games on a historic level. You just need to think outside of the box.
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People really value their 4 wins around here. It's astonishing. I've even caught people saying outright that they'd take 4 wins a year over the potential wins of this FO. Really weird.
LALALALA potential doesn't mean crap War. I value 4 wins over ZERO got it? that's the damn object of the game. If this was like European soccer, the Browns would get relegated to the minor league.
"The Process" is going to get tweaked- you know the buzzword is continual process improvement- and there's a hell of a lot at this point that needs improving.
LALALALA potential doesn't mean crap War. I value 4 wins over ZERO got it? that's the damn object of the game. If this was like European soccer, the Browns would get relegated to the minor league.
"The Process" is going to get tweaked- you know the buzzword is continual process improvement- and there's a hell of a lot at this point that needs improving.
Rebuilds! Overhauls! Whatever terms you want to use are always very painful. Just ask the 3 straight 100 loss season Astros fans how painful that is for a franchise that just never seemed to be able to put it all together. It's hard to remain on course when it appears the ship is permanently anchored in Davy Jones' Locker. No one likes it and it is very hard to believe it can look any different from what it looks like right now. And I will admit that some days I want to fire them all and other days I want this to play out over the 3-5 years I thought it would take once the Browns committed to it. It's just hard when it's on the very bottom of a rebuild. But then I take hope from the fact that a player like Verlander is dropped into an organization that had totally rebuilt and needed one last key player to make it through. I don't care if it's baseball and not football, the process of rebuild is the same. And it's always very ugly and seemingly hopeless at the start.
On this one I side with LB, War and Tour plus anyone else I just failed to notice. Just got to keep after it and pray it works like we want it to.
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No, you value 4 wins every season until you die instead of the possibility of this build working out and us winning a Super Bowl. That's what you value.
I just haven't seen progress war. We all expected a few wins and a better team this year. We expected fire, and now the Front office and Coaches are fighting. One of them will be fired, and if Hue is fired, how are you sure it's possible another random coach would lead us to a superbowl with a lawyer and baseball statistician's plan?
I just haven't seen progress war. We all expected a few wins and a better team this year. We expected fire, and now the Front office and Coaches are fighting. One of them will be fired, and if Hue is fired, how are you sure it's possible another random coach would lead us to a superbowl with a lawyer and baseball statistician's plan?
Your question doesn’t make sense.
Williams has way more to do with it than this FO. And they also stocked the offense....or rather didn't stock the offense after many swings.
I see you avoided the Saints and Bucs but that doesn't fit the narrative. But by all means keep tooting the horn of the front office and head coach that are taking the Browns to all new territory. It might be "worst team of all time" territory but it is new so it is cool!
It’s part Williams and part FO. No coach does anything without talent, and they will tell you that themselves.
Well you’re 0 for 1 (and embarrassingly so) on examples I looked into. I’m not sure you want me looking into the others.
The offensive line is sick. The rest of the offense will be taken care of next draft. Unless we go your way and scrap everyone and delay building another two years. But hey at least we’ll get our precious four wins a year baby!! That’s just the garden of eden to folks like you.
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