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  • Also lastly,

    If HUE isn't even trusting the process anymore, then why should we?

  • IF Jimmy told them to make the AJ McCarron trade and Sashi intentionally torpedoed it he should have been fired yesterday. I don't like AJ but that level of rebellion from a senior manager would to me be grounds for immediate dismissal. I believe more and more from the leaks that Sashi has been an arrogant prick who's stood in the way of multiple players this staff wanted. Let's not forget Deshan Watson himself said Hue contacted him prior to pick 12 to be ready. 

  • Also lastly,

    If HUE isn't even trusting the process anymore, then why should we?

    @stillmotion said:

    Also lastly,

    If HUE isn't even trusting the process anymore, then why should we?

    I think we are being Stepiened

  • I need to hear why mccarron is worth a 2nd and a 3rd. Also, was kizer hue's call or the FO? I guess i kind of always assumed that hue kind of thought he found a project gem in kizer...which may still be true but kizer was just not ready this year and should have never started

  • IF Jimmy told them to make the AJ McCarron trade and Sashi intentionally torpedoed it he should have been fired yesterday. I don't like AJ but that level of rebellion from a senior manager would to me be grounds for immediate dismissal. I believe more and more from the leaks that Sashi has been an arrogant prick who's stood in the way of multiple players this staff wanted. Let's not forget Deshan Watson himself said Hue contacted him prior to pick 12 to be ready. 

    @jcam222 said:

    IF Jimmy told them to make the AJ McCarron trade and Sashi intentionally torpedoed it he should have been fired yesterday. I don't like AJ but that level of rebellion from a senior manager would to me be grounds for immediate dismissal. I believe more and more from the leaks that Sashi has been an arrogant prick who's stood in the way of multiple players this staff wanted. Let's not forget Deshan Watson himself said Hue contacted him prior to pick 12 to be ready. 

    It's either team Sashi or team Hue. Hue's daughter tweeted complaints about the F.O. and his reporter friend is tweeting Sheet too. I don't know Sashi's side of the story, but he either went home early and had his assistant deal with it, or sabotaged it, for sure. His assistant sent the email to the Bengals verifying it and they didn't find it and that's part of the reason the trade didn't go through.

    And I honestly hate to say it, but if Hue wanted Wentz and Watson, and the F.O. didn't, he has a right to be furious. He should be having a bigger say in talent evaluation. We don't even know if he was onboard trading the #12 pick. 

  • I need to hear why mccarron is worth a 2nd and a 3rd. Also, was kizer hue's call or the FO? I guess i kind of always assumed that hue kind of thought he found a project gem in kizer...which may still be true but kizer was just not ready this year and should have never started

    @clevfan4life said:

    I need to hear why mccarron is worth a 2nd and a 3rd. Also, was kizer hue's call or the FO? I guess i kibd of always assumed that hue ki d of thought he found a orohect gem in kizer...which may still be true but kizer was just not ready this year and should have never started

    I agree AJ doesn't really typically carry that value. I think it speaks volumes for how little we truly think of Kizers upside and how desperate we are at QB. For Kizer it's my belief he was Hues pick AFTER we lost out on Mahomes and Watson   KC skillfully screwed us on Mahomes who was our top target. I think Hue wanted Watson at 12 but we traded down. 

  • This whole team by analytics thing is just too dam shaky. Math might get you into orbit but it doesn't build a team of men.  The earliest days of the space program when all the ivy league egg heads were working on every thing involved in getting a man into space, the original Mercury 7 astronauts pretty much had to revolt just to get a window installed in the capsule. 

     Stoshthepudpuller picks the roster in much the same way without concern to human nature. Zero wins would be easier to take if we had a couple of guys to point to as star material. 

     So Ted Stepien was run out town when he commented that nobody would pay to see five black guys playing basketball.  Soooo, what is it going to take to send this hillrod owner packing back to Tennessee?

  • Also lastly,

    If HUE isn't even trusting the process anymore, then why should we?

    @stillmotion said:

    Also lastly,

    If HUE isn't even trusting the process anymore, then why should we?

    Welcome to our Fuhucking World.

    Well, as I see it....Hue and the Owner mistrust the FO.

    So what?  The fans don't trust Hue.   He has made more boners coaching this team in one game than the FO has made combined this entire season.

    So, bottom line:  Fans don't trust Owner, Coach, or GM.

  • FO or staff? Is there really any question?

  • This FO has got to go hey hey, ho ho

  • This whole team by analytics thing is just too dam shaky. Math might get you into orbit but it doesn't build a team of men.  The earliest days of the space program when all the ivy league egg heads were working on every thing involved in getting a man into space, the original Mercury 7 astronauts pretty much had to revolt just to get a window installed in the capsule. 

     Stoshthepudpuller picks the roster in much the same way without concern to human nature. Zero wins would be easier to take if we had a couple of guys to point to as star material. 

     So Ted Stepien was run out town when he commented that nobody would pay to see five black guys playing basketball.  Soooo, what is it going to take to send this hillrod owner packing back to Tennessee?

    @flyingfooldoug said:

     So Ted Stepien was run out town when he commented that nobody would pay to see five black guys playing basketball.  Soooo, what is it going to take to send this hillrod owner packing back to Tennessee?

    I don't know Doug, from what I've seen from some on this board, Haslam would get cheered if he said something like this.

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

     So Ted Stepien was run out town when he commented that nobody would pay to see five black guys playing basketball.  Soooo, what is it going to take to send this hillrod owner packing back to Tennessee?

    I don't know Doug, from what I've seen from some on this board, Haslam would get cheered if he said something like this.

    @dutch-oven said:

    I don't know Doug, from what I've seen from some on this board, Haslam would get cheered if he said something like this.

    Lol... Then again, there were a lot more people posting on here that have quit since hilrod took over the team

  • @dutch-oven said:

    I don't know Doug, from what I've seen from some on this board, Haslam would get cheered if he said something like this.

    Lol... Then again, there were a lot more people posting on here that have quit since hilrod took over the team

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Lol... Then again, there were a lot more people posting on here that have quit since hilrod took over the team

    In a weird way it is kind of baffling that his organization still elicits this amount of interest.

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    Lol... Then again, there were a lot more people posting on here that have quit since hilrod took over the team

    In a weird way it is kind of baffling that his organization still elicits this amount of interest.

    @dutch-oven said:

    In a weird way it is kind of baffling that his organization still elicits this amount of interest.

    It's representative of a region. School spirit on a pro level. When I was in school, Cleveland was the 5th largest city in the country. And the Browns were the bad asses on the block.  That doesn't just go away.

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    I'm sure Jimmy StupidShmuckinghillbilly will fix it!

    Ironic isn't it that Jerrah in Dallas was smart enough to hire good football people and then step out of their way despite being very tempted to jump in. They saved him from picking JM which is what Jimmy SSH was unable to resist. So let's see who our homeless guy picks for QB in the upcoming draft. Or will he make a trade for Cousins?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Ironic isn't it that Jerrah in Dallas was smart enough to hire good football people and then step out of their way despite being very tempted to jump in. They saved him from picking JM which is what Jimmy SSH was unable to resist. So let's see who our homeless guy picks for QB in the upcoming draft. Or will he make a trade for Cousins?

    might be wrong but isn't cousins a F.A at the end of the year ?

  • Keep Hue.  The front office is a steaming pile but I think Hue will be the first to go.  The fact that Jimmah didn't have Sashi or Paul in front of a camera today suggests the front office has him by the sack.

  • Allbright releasing emails from Browns coaches about the friction between the F.O.

    https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/925765851717890048

    More emails to be released later.

    Also, as I posted earier, Jimmy was on Hue's side to get us a QB, any QB to win, but all things point to Sashi not being there, or undermining Hue and Jimmy to not trade away picks for A.J.

    Apparently Jimmy is furious..... Hue tried to undermine the F.O., and then the F.O. undermined Hue and Jimmy to stick with the process.

    https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2017/11/1/16591610/trying-to-make-sense-of-the-browns-trade-deadline-disaster

    @stillmotion said:

     Hue tried to undermine the F.O., and then the F.O. undermined Hue and Jimmy to stick with the process  

    Thank the Lord they did. 

  • IF Jimmy told them to make the AJ McCarron trade and Sashi intentionally torpedoed it he should have been fired yesterday. I don't like AJ but that level of rebellion from a senior manager would to me be grounds for immediate dismissal. I believe more and more from the leaks that Sashi has been an arrogant prick who's stood in the way of multiple players this staff wanted. Let's not forget Deshan Watson himself said Hue contacted him prior to pick 12 to be ready. 

    @jcam222 said:

    IF Jimmy told them to make the AJ McCarron trade and Sashi intentionally torpedoed it he should have been fired yesterday. I don't like AJ but that level of rebellion from a senior manager would to me be grounds for immediate dismissal. I believe more and more from the leaks that Sashi has been an arrogant prick who's stood in the way of multiple players this staff wanted. Let's not forget Deshan Watson himself said Hue contacted him prior to pick 12 to be ready. 

    Then you’re falling for Hue’s Mr Nice Guy act I think. He’s controlling the leaks because he at least wants another job after this, he’s undermining everything. 

    And Haslam in his usual Shmucking wisdom is sticking with Hue and not what he should be, which is the front office. 

  • @jcam222 said:

    IF Jimmy told them to make the AJ McCarron trade and Sashi intentionally torpedoed it he should have been fired yesterday. I don't like AJ but that level of rebellion from a senior manager would to me be grounds for immediate dismissal. I believe more and more from the leaks that Sashi has been an arrogant prick who's stood in the way of multiple players this staff wanted. Let's not forget Deshan Watson himself said Hue contacted him prior to pick 12 to be ready. 

    Then you’re falling for Hue’s Mr Nice Guy act I think. He’s controlling the leaks because he at least wants another job after this, he’s undermining everything. 

    And Haslam in his usual Shmucking wisdom is sticking with Hue and not what he should be, which is the front office. 

    @londonbrown said:

    Then you’re falling for Hue’s Mr Nice Guy act I think. He’s controlling the leaks because he at least wants another job after this, he’s undermining everything. 

    And Haslam in his usual Shmucking wisdom is sticking with Hue and not what he should be, which is the front office. 

    Just curious, but what exactly has this front office done that makes you feel like it deserves you to defend it?

  • @londonbrown said:

    Then you’re falling for Hue’s Mr Nice Guy act I think. He’s controlling the leaks because he at least wants another job after this, he’s undermining everything. 

    And Haslam in his usual Shmucking wisdom is sticking with Hue and not what he should be, which is the front office. 

    Just curious, but what exactly has this front office done that makes you feel like it deserves you to defend it?

    @dutch-oven said:

    Just curious, but what exactly has this front office done that makes you feel like it deserves you to defend it?

    Made some good trades, signed good players via FA and aren’t in even halfway through what they’ve been hired to do. The results aren’t there yet but I see where they’re trying to go and agree with the way they’re taking to get there. 

    It’s actually more a case of not judging them yet rather than defending them.