AJ McCarron
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I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
And Jimmy is easily convinced because none of the fans believe either.
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
And Jimmy is easily convinced because none of the fans believe either.
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
You're gonna ride this all the way aren't you? And when changes are inevitably made....... BECAUSE THE TEAM CAN'T WIN A SINGLE PHUCKING GAME, then all we will hear from you is how it's all our faults that the poor beleaguered Brain Trust unjustly got run out of town by the big, bad, mean ol' fans and had absolutely nothing to do with their on field performance.
Too bad the NFL doesn't hand out participation trophies so our Brain Trust won't get their feelings hurt so much after they see the score board at the end of every game...... and God forbid that they look at the standings, as that would surely send them to their happy place along with their emotional support kitty cat.
Hey Jimmy, since you're reading all these posts.......................... F U C K O F F!
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Sooo, do you have a point?
There's that reading comp again..... my bad, next time I'll type s l o w e r........
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If McCarron is the answer, the question has been dumbed down so far that actual winning is no longer the goal.
This team was run into the ground by "football guys making football decisions" -- get over it.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Sooo, do you have a point?
There's that reading comp again..... my bad, next time I'll type s l o w e r........
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He could have been playing here and probably doing a better job than what we've had.
WSS
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He could have been playing here and probably doing a better job than what we've had.
WSS
He could have been playing here and probably doing a better job than what we've had.
WSS
I was not against keeping Brock here and seeing what he could do in a real game. As far as I am concerned, you can just add that up to another Quarterback fuyuck up by our FO.
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If McCarron is the answer, the question has been dumbed down so far that actual winning is no longer the goal.
This team was run into the ground by "football guys making football decisions" -- get over it.
If McCarron is the answer, the question has been dumbed down so far that actual winning is no longer the goal.
This team was run into the ground by "football guys making football decisions" -- get over it.
The fact that bad football guys made bad decisions doesn't make the current FO type or decisions right.
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Oh god we've already forgotten what an ashole osweiler looked like against the practice squad guys. Nothing like looking fondly at late quarter preseason performances from a guy who was skipping balls off the turf on 15 yd wheel routes.
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I wouldn't blame the fans when Jimmy went over the front office to try to please Hue and they disobeyed him. My theory is Hue convinced Jimmy the process isn't working and a lawyer and baseball guy can't make draft picks.
And Jimmy is easily convinced because none of the fans believe either.
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
If we were all of one backbone, he wouldn’t be trusting his HC over his GM on trades. Ridiculous
This is not dissimilar to when you tried to chastise everyone because somehow people saying meanie words on a message board was contributing to Justin Gilbert sucking. It turned out that he just sucked. Our undeserved praise would have done nothing. The fans weren’t creating the news, they were just reporting it. Sashi and Co are 1-23. I have a feeling he will follow Gilbert’s trajectory.
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If McCarron is the answer, the question has been dumbed down so far that actual winning is no longer the goal.
This team was run into the ground by "football guys making football decisions" -- get over it.
The fact that bad football guys made bad decisions doesn't make the current FO type or decisions right.
The fact that bad football guys made bad decisions doesn't make the current FO type or decisions right.
I just used this analogy: Just because Gomer ain't getting the job done don't mean that you hire Goober instead.
Fair to say?
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Oh god we've already forgotten what an ashole osweiler looked like against the practice squad guys. Nothing like looking fondly at late quarter preseason performances from a guy who was skipping balls off the turf on 15 yd wheel routes.
Oh god we've already forgotten what an ashole osweiler looked like against the practice squad guys. Nothing like looking fondly at late quarter preseason performances from a guy who was skipping balls off the turf on 15 yd wheel routes.
I still would have liked to see him in a real game. I mean, really....how much more suckitude could he have brought us than what we have had?
They kept Hogan instead of him? They could have stashed Hogan on the PS, give B.O. a tryout....and if is what we thought he was....we could have crowned/cut him. We would have been no worse off.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
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F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
You forgot, defending a regime that has accumulated an overall record of 1-23.
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F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
You forgot, defending a regime that has accumulated an overall record of 1-23.
You forgot, defending a regime that has accumulated an overall record of 1-23.
For me, the record doesn't really mean as much. I'm of the mindset that they started the process the correct way (my opinion). Rip it apart down to the studs and rebuild with young and talented players. I can foresee a situation where they could still be 1-23 and I'd be OK with it. But passing on Wentz (anyone that knows me knows I wanted him at 2, hell at 1) was just the start. Coming out and saying he wasn't a top 20 QB was just idiotic. Even if you believed that you just had to say something like "We loved Wentz, but at this stage in the process we found that the trade gave us better value long term, would have loved to somehow accomplish both goals". Sure everyone would know you're full of Sheet but crikes, such a bad look. Continue on with things like drafting 4 WR's that have all been hot garbage, allowing young talent to walk away in FA (Schwartz), and cutting useful QB mentors to save money under a cap that you already have a ton of room. This trade debacle is just the icing on the cake. There's so many layers of fail here that I find myself hating anyone even half defending anyone in the organization from the coaches to the front office to the huckster owner.
I've gone from a season ticket holder to someone who has now not watched more games this season than the last 18 combined.
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F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
For today, yes. Neither option any good, to be sure.
We could argue about other things....like:
A. Should they sign Kaepernick
B. Should they draft another QB high next year, and if so, who?
C. Should the coach be fired?
D. Should the FO be fired?
E. If C. or D. happen who do you get to replace them?
F. Will the team be better with two WRs we have had missing back in the fold: Coleman and Gordon
G. Can the defense stop the pass? They have had massive failures in this regard.
H. Can our #1 overall draft pick avoid falling over his shoelaces and not be injured constantly?
And that is what I can just think of quickly off the top of my head. So, no, we are not reduced to just talking about what you mentioned......we have a whole array of subjects to discuss....all of which have a similar theme: How fuyucked up is this team?
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A. Sure..why not
B. Yes (no clue who) but yes absolutely
C. Yes
D. Probably, but at minimum changes need to be made.
E. No clue
F. Maybe. Coleman can't stay healthy and Gordon hasn't played in a long time. Big question marks on both guys. Can Coleman stay healthy and can Gordon stay clean.
G. No
H. Would appear to also be a No. But lets hope it turns into a yes.
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DBN's description of the McCarron last-minute work show that Cleveland DID THEIR JOB RIGHT and that indeed it was Cincy's FO who didn't properly forward Cleveland's paperwork to the NFL.
My guess is that the Browns and Bengals agreed on the steps they'd do ["I'll send you this, you sign& forward it on, OK? Great! [hangup]] .. and then the Bengals immediately did something different. They didn't forward ANYTHING browns-related! Cin just sent in their own signed papers, didn't include anything from Cleveland in what they sent to NFL.
So.... just as I said the day it happened, it was a process issue and not a "kill them all with fire" situation.
I'm sure now that each and every person who was immediately certain that "Everyone in Browns FO should be fired" will change their minds and realize the objectively false belief they selected..
Or not!
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
F*ck the Browns. Because of 18 years of garbage, we're now reduced to arguing the merits of keeping Brock Osweiller and trading multiple draft picks for a QB that can't beat out Andy Dalton.
For today, yes. Neither option any good, to be sure.
We could argue about other things....like:
A. Should they sign Kaepernick
B. Should they draft another QB high next year, and if so, who?
C. Should the coach be fired?
D. Should the FO be fired?
E. If C. or D. happen who do you get to replace them?
F. Will the team be better with two WRs we have had missing back in the fold: Coleman and Gordon
G. Can the defense stop the pass? They have had massive failures in this regard.
H. Can our #1 overall draft pick avoid falling over his shoelaces and not be injured constantly?
And that is what I can just think of quickly off the top of my head. So, no, we are not reduced to just talking about what you mentioned......we have a whole array of subjects to discuss....all of which have a similar theme: How fuyucked up is this team?
For today, yes. Neither option any good, to be sure.
We could argue about other things....like:
A. Should they sign Kaepernick NO & HELL NO.
B. Should they draft another QB high next year, and if so, who? YES, ANYONE WHO DOESN'T PLAY FOR ND
C. Should the coach be fired? MAYBE
D. Should the FO be fired? YES
E. If C. or D. happen who do you get to replace them? MY CAT
F. Will the team be better with two WRs we have had missing back in the fold: Coleman and Gordon YES
G. Can the defense stop the pass? They have had massive failures in this regard. NO
H. Can our #1 overall draft pick avoid falling over his shoelaces and not be injured constantly? TBD
And that is what I can just think of quickly off the top of my head. So, no, we are not reduced to just talking about what you mentioned......we have a whole array of subjects to discuss....all of which have a similar theme: How fuyucked up is this team?
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DBN's description of the McCarron last-minute work show that Cleveland DID THEIR JOB RIGHT and that indeed it was Cincy's FO who didn't properly forward Cleveland's paperwork to the NFL.
My guess is that the Browns and Bengals agreed on the steps they'd do ["I'll send you this, you sign& forward it on, OK? Great! [hangup]] .. and then the Bengals immediately did something different. They didn't forward ANYTHING browns-related! Cin just sent in their own signed papers, didn't include anything from Cleveland in what they sent to NFL.
So.... just as I said the day it happened, it was a process issue and not a "kill them all with fire" situation.
I'm sure now that each and every person who was immediately certain that "Everyone in Browns FO should be fired" will change their minds and realize the objectively false belief they selected..
Or not!
DBN's description of the McCarron last-minute work show that Cleveland DID THEIR JOB RIGHT and that indeed it was Cincy's FO who didn't properly forward Cleveland's paperwork to the NFL.
My guess is that the Browns and Bengals agreed on the steps they'd do ["I'll send you this, you sign& forward it on, OK? Great! [hangup]] .. and then the Bengals immediately did something different. They didn't forward ANYTHING browns-related! Cin just sent in their own signed papers, didn't include anything from Cleveland in what they sent to NFL.
So.... just as I said the day it happened, it was a process issue and not a "kill them all with fire" situation.
I'm sure now that each and every person who was immediately certain that "Everyone in Browns FO should be fired" will change their minds and realize the objectively false belief they selected..
Or not!
I don't believe this is accurate.
Why would one team and one team only be responsible for forwarding both teams' paperwork to the league? Seems that it would make more sense that they both send their own paperwork in and the league determines that both sides have agreed to the same parameters.
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