AJ McCarron
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Can you point to some things that the Browns fanbase should be positive about? Go ahead, do it.
We have some nice stats to make us feel better about being 1-23.
We have some nice stats to make us feel better about being 1-23.
the nice stats in some areas on a superficial level only are just a product of parts making up a whole. It's kinda like how when a pt is shot in the chest and bleeding out their blood pressure goes down and they are no longer hypertensive lmao...browns sunshine pumpers would look at that situation and say "see, big improvements in health. Blood pressure is much better!"
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Cut the gossip on the Sashi press conference
Underneath that link is the entire text. Seriously, people, if you want to invent your own conspiracy theory, there's a forum for that. It's called the politics forum.
I still think McCarron sucks a bag of donkey fingers and isn't worth a 3 let alone a 2 and a 3. Besides, Hue's record in evaluating QB talent is questionable to say the least. Go look at what he paid to get Palmer for Oakland - a 1 and a 2 for a guy who was retired at the time and was at best worth a 5 and a 6. And Hue called it the "greatest trade in football history." Tellingly, that same season it lost Hue his job.. and would have done the same here when McCarron would have proceeded to be just as erratic as Kizer but without the arm cannon.
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You are still right that if fans back or don’t back a player or coach that it will somehow determine their performance? Please show me where positive tweets or message board posts miraculously turned a player or coach’s career around. If a player couldn’t hack the scrutiny in Cleveland, they would hang them self if they ever played in NY or Philly.
I bet you believe that likes on social media will cure a kid’s cancer.
This fanbase is NEVER positive, so how could i? I can, however, show you guy after guy after guy that drowned in negativity.
This fanbase is NEVER positive, so how could i? I can, however, show you guy after guy after guy that drowned in negativity.
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Cut the gossip on the Sashi press conference
Underneath that link is the entire text. Seriously, people, if you want to invent your own conspiracy theory, there's a forum for that. It's called the politics forum.
I still think McCarron sucks a bag of donkey fingers and isn't worth a 3 let alone a 2 and a 3. Besides, Hue's record in evaluating QB talent is questionable to say the least. Go look at what he paid to get Palmer for Oakland - a 1 and a 2 for a guy who was retired at the time and was at best worth a 5 and a 6. And Hue called it the "greatest trade in football history." Tellingly, that same season it lost Hue his job.. and would have done the same here when McCarron would have proceeded to be just as erratic as Kizer but without the arm cannon.
And Hue called it the "greatest trade in football history."
Maybe Palmer shook the earth too?
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This fanbase is NEVER positive, so how could i? I can, however, show you guy after guy after guy that drowned in negativity.
Can you point to some things that the Browns fanbase should be positive about? Go ahead, do it.
Can you point to some things that the Browns fanbase should be positive about? Go ahead, do it.
First year players that are playing fairly well for their age but not yet Tom Brady. But instead we whine.
Yes I am sure they wallowed in it and wept every night about mean posts on a messageboard. It was the catalyst for them being awful. Or.....just maybe that particular player sucked and people in Cleveland don't sugar coat anything. Outside of Ghoolie, who hates everyone on the team, who have you seen who has just bagged on Joe Thomas? If anything, he is revered in Cleveland. It definitely has nothing to do with Pro Bowls and being a good player. Nope. Not at all.
Yes, Joe Thomas should be the normative expectation for all draftees. And this is why we suck....
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The people who think McCarron completely sucks are crazy, just like the people who think he's GOOD are nuts. Nobody knows because he hasn't played too much, but here's what I know: AJ McCarron is better than anything we have, and while that's a pretty low bar to crawl over, it still would've been significant for our team. It would've at least breathed life into a fan base and team with very little hope. That's what really hurts the most. The silver lining is obviously we didn't sacrifice those high picks, but let's be honest...how much faith do you have in our front office to make the right selections anyway?
McCarron could've at least gotten the ball to Coleman or especially Gordon if the planets align and he can stay sober. Kizer isn't going to get the ball to these guys consistently because he can't THROW consistently...regardless of who is out there. We've had multiple times when our scrubs were open and Kizer screwed up, so why would it matter if more talented people are open? Don't underestimate how terrible Kizer's playing right now. It's HISTORICALLY awful. He's limited to short passes and the occasional deep shot, but he's not attempting mid-range passes over the middle or down the seam because he knows he'll turn it over and get benched. There are two passes that really demonstrate who Kizer is as a QB, and both were supposed to go to Higgins, both in the red zone. The first one was a slant over the middle where Higgins won his route and had several steps on his guy. In the NFL, it's considered WIDE OPEN. Kizer missed by 6-8 feet and the ball was picked off. When we REALLY needed the TD OR THE FG. The second example was the pick on 1st down I believe when Higgins ran a terrific route and again had several steps deep in the red zone. Kizer missed by about 8 feet HIGH and the ball was again easily picked. This was a route that was reported to have been executed to perfection TWICE in practice that week, yet when it mattered Kizer couldn't deliver. What's worth noting is that Kizer didn't just miss, everyone MISSES, but he missed by a MILE in pro football standards. Additionally, he missed high, and he missed way behind....so it's not just a matter of missing one way or the other, he's missing everywhere. That's a definite sign of an extremely inaccurate thrower, and basically the kiss of death for an NFL QB.
Our receiving Corp has taken a great deal of flack, and rightfully so, but there's nothing they can do if the ball is thrown 8 feet off the mark. Think about just how frustrating that would be to work so hard to get open but to not have the CHANCE to touch the rock, let alone catch it. Yes they've dropped tons, yes they've failed to get open too much, and yes it's been tough without legit playmakers, but they deserve a chance to play with someone who can actually get them the ball consistently. This is their livelihood and they can't control what crappy qb is behind center. Higgins should have AT LEAST 3 more tds, and Njoku and Dreggs should have several more as well. For my qb, I want the best combination of accuracy and mobility. And right now that's Baker Mayfield, with Lamar Jackson staying in the back of my mind.
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Can you point to some things that the Browns fanbase should be positive about? Go ahead, do it.
First year players that are playing fairly well for their age but not yet Tom Brady. But instead we whine.
Yes I am sure they wallowed in it and wept every night about mean posts on a messageboard. It was the catalyst for them being awful. Or.....just maybe that particular player sucked and people in Cleveland don't sugar coat anything. Outside of Ghoolie, who hates everyone on the team, who have you seen who has just bagged on Joe Thomas? If anything, he is revered in Cleveland. It definitely has nothing to do with Pro Bowls and being a good player. Nope. Not at all.
Yes, Joe Thomas should be the normative expectation for all draftees. And this is why we suck....
First year players that are playing fairly well for their age but not yet Tom Brady. But instead we whine.
Yes, Joe Thomas should be the normative expectation for all draftees. And this is why we suck....
Actually yes Joe Thomas should be the expectation for anybody drafted number 1. At least high-level productivity and trips to the Pro Bowl for anybody drafted in the first round.
WSS
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The people who think McCarron completely sucks are crazy, just like the people who think he's GOOD are nuts. Nobody knows because he hasn't played too much, but here's what I know: AJ McCarron is better than anything we have, and while that's a pretty low bar to crawl over, it still would've been significant for our team. It would've at least breathed life into a fan base and team with very little hope. That's what really hurts the most. The silver lining is obviously we didn't sacrifice those high picks, but let's be honest...how much faith do you have in our front office to make the right selections anyway?
McCarron could've at least gotten the ball to Coleman or especially Gordon if the planets align and he can stay sober. Kizer isn't going to get the ball to these guys consistently because he can't THROW consistently...regardless of who is out there. We've had multiple times when our scrubs were open and Kizer screwed up, so why would it matter if more talented people are open? Don't underestimate how terrible Kizer's playing right now. It's HISTORICALLY awful. He's limited to short passes and the occasional deep shot, but he's not attempting mid-range passes over the middle or down the seam because he knows he'll turn it over and get benched. There are two passes that really demonstrate who Kizer is as a QB, and both were supposed to go to Higgins, both in the red zone. The first one was a slant over the middle where Higgins won his route and had several steps on his guy. In the NFL, it's considered WIDE OPEN. Kizer missed by 6-8 feet and the ball was picked off. When we REALLY needed the TD OR THE FG. The second example was the pick on 1st down I believe when Higgins ran a terrific route and again had several steps deep in the red zone. Kizer missed by about 8 feet HIGH and the ball was again easily picked. This was a route that was reported to have been executed to perfection TWICE in practice that week, yet when it mattered Kizer couldn't deliver. What's worth noting is that Kizer didn't just miss, everyone MISSES, but he missed by a MILE in pro football standards. Additionally, he missed high, and he missed way behind....so it's not just a matter of missing one way or the other, he's missing everywhere. That's a definite sign of an extremely inaccurate thrower, and basically the kiss of death for an NFL QB.
Our receiving Corp has taken a great deal of flack, and rightfully so, but there's nothing they can do if the ball is thrown 8 feet off the mark. Think about just how frustrating that would be to work so hard to get open but to not have the CHANCE to touch the rock, let alone catch it. Yes they've dropped tons, yes they've failed to get open too much, and yes it's been tough without legit playmakers, but they deserve a chance to play with someone who can actually get them the ball consistently. This is their livelihood and they can't control what crappy qb is behind center. Higgins should have AT LEAST 3 more tds, and Njoku and Dreggs should have several more as well. For my qb, I want the best combination of accuracy and mobility. And right now that's Baker Mayfield, with Lamar Jackson staying in the back of my mind.
The people who think McCarron completely sucks are crazy, just like the people who think he's GOOD are nuts. Nobody knows because he hasn't played too much, but here's what I know: AJ McCarron is better than anything we have, and while that's a pretty low bar to crawl over, it still would've been significant for our team. It would've at least breathed life into a fan base and team with very little hope. That's what really hurts the most. The silver lining is obviously we didn't sacrifice those high picks, but let's be honest...how much faith do you have in our front office to make the right selections anyway?
McCarron could've at least gotten the ball to Coleman or especially Gordon if the planets align and he can stay sober. Kizer isn't going to get the ball to these guys consistently because he can't THROW consistently...regardless of who is out there. We've had multiple times when our scrubs were open and Kizer screwed up, so why would it matter if more talented people are open? Don't underestimate how terrible Kizer's playing right now. It's HISTORICALLY awful. He's limited to short passes and the occasional deep shot, but he's not attempting mid-range passes over the middle or down the seam because he knows he'll turn it over and get benched. There are two passes that really demonstrate who Kizer is as a QB, and both were supposed to go to Higgins, both in the red zone. The first one was a slant over the middle where Higgins won his route and had several steps on his guy. In the NFL, it's considered WIDE OPEN. Kizer missed by 6-8 feet and the ball was picked off. When we REALLY needed the TD OR THE FG. The second example was the pick on 1st down I believe when Higgins ran a terrific route and again had several steps deep in the red zone. Kizer missed by about 8 feet HIGH and the ball was again easily picked. This was a route that was reported to have been executed to perfection TWICE in practice that week, yet when it mattered Kizer couldn't deliver. What's worth noting is that Kizer didn't just miss, everyone MISSES, but he missed by a MILE in pro football standards. Additionally, he missed high, and he missed way behind....so it's not just a matter of missing one way or the other, he's missing everywhere. That's a definite sign of an extremely inaccurate thrower, and basically the kiss of death for an NFL QB.
Our receiving Corp has taken a great deal of flack, and rightfully so, but there's nothing they can do if the ball is thrown 8 feet off the mark. Think about just how frustrating that would be to work so hard to get open but to not have the CHANCE to touch the rock, let alone catch it. Yes they've dropped tons, yes they've failed to get open too much, and yes it's been tough without legit playmakers, but they deserve a chance to play with someone who can actually get them the ball consistently. This is their livelihood and they can't control what crappy qb is behind center. Higgins should have AT LEAST 3 more tds, and Njoku and Dreggs should have several more as well. For my qb, I want the best combination of accuracy and mobility. And right now that's Baker Mayfield, with Lamar Jackson staying in the back of my mind.
The only caveat to AJ McCarron is that if Hue Jackson wanted the guy here he, above anybody else in Cleveland, has worked with him for a long time and would probably have a better idea of his worth.
WSS
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Can you point to some things that the Browns fanbase should be positive about? Go ahead, do it.
First year players that are playing fairly well for their age but not yet Tom Brady. But instead we whine.
Yes I am sure they wallowed in it and wept every night about mean posts on a messageboard. It was the catalyst for them being awful. Or.....just maybe that particular player sucked and people in Cleveland don't sugar coat anything. Outside of Ghoolie, who hates everyone on the team, who have you seen who has just bagged on Joe Thomas? If anything, he is revered in Cleveland. It definitely has nothing to do with Pro Bowls and being a good player. Nope. Not at all.
Yes, Joe Thomas should be the normative expectation for all draftees. And this is why we suck....
Yes, Joe Thomas should be the normative expectation for all draftees. And this is why we suck....
You can look back and find players who are well liked who weren’t on Joe’s career track. But that doesn’t fit your boohoo “they are all meanies in Cleveland” narrative.
Keep hitting like, I heard it will save African kids from starving.
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First year players that are playing fairly well for their age but not yet Tom Brady. But instead we whine.
Yes, Joe Thomas should be the normative expectation for all draftees. And this is why we suck....
Actually yes Joe Thomas should be the expectation for anybody drafted number 1. At least high-level productivity and trips to the Pro Bowl for anybody drafted in the first round.
WSS
Actually yes Joe Thomas should be the expectation for anybody drafted number 1. At least high-level productivity and trips to the Pro Bowl for anybody drafted in the first round.
WSS
We have a whopping one player on this team who was drafted number 1, and he's been pretty good.
You can look back and find players who are well liked who weren’t on Joe’s career track. But that doesn’t fit your boohoo “they are all meanies in Cleveland” narrative.
Keep hitting like, I heard it will save African kids from starving.
I don't understand where you're going with this. First the only reason that anyone speaks positively about Joe Thomas is because he's a stud. Now I guess you're saying there are players people like who suck (who are they?).
Keep whining like a woman. It will definitely improve this franchise.
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The people who think McCarron completely sucks are crazy, just like the people who think he's GOOD are nuts. Nobody knows because he hasn't played too much, but here's what I know: AJ McCarron is better than anything we have, and while that's a pretty low bar to crawl over, it still would've been significant for our team. It would've at least breathed life into a fan base and team with very little hope. That's what really hurts the most. The silver lining is obviously we didn't sacrifice those high picks, but let's be honest...how much faith do you have in our front office to make the right selections anyway?
McCarron could've at least gotten the ball to Coleman or especially Gordon if the planets align and he can stay sober. Kizer isn't going to get the ball to these guys consistently because he can't THROW consistently...regardless of who is out there. We've had multiple times when our scrubs were open and Kizer screwed up, so why would it matter if more talented people are open? Don't underestimate how terrible Kizer's playing right now. It's HISTORICALLY awful. He's limited to short passes and the occasional deep shot, but he's not attempting mid-range passes over the middle or down the seam because he knows he'll turn it over and get benched. There are two passes that really demonstrate who Kizer is as a QB, and both were supposed to go to Higgins, both in the red zone. The first one was a slant over the middle where Higgins won his route and had several steps on his guy. In the NFL, it's considered WIDE OPEN. Kizer missed by 6-8 feet and the ball was picked off. When we REALLY needed the TD OR THE FG. The second example was the pick on 1st down I believe when Higgins ran a terrific route and again had several steps deep in the red zone. Kizer missed by about 8 feet HIGH and the ball was again easily picked. This was a route that was reported to have been executed to perfection TWICE in practice that week, yet when it mattered Kizer couldn't deliver. What's worth noting is that Kizer didn't just miss, everyone MISSES, but he missed by a MILE in pro football standards. Additionally, he missed high, and he missed way behind....so it's not just a matter of missing one way or the other, he's missing everywhere. That's a definite sign of an extremely inaccurate thrower, and basically the kiss of death for an NFL QB.
Our receiving Corp has taken a great deal of flack, and rightfully so, but there's nothing they can do if the ball is thrown 8 feet off the mark. Think about just how frustrating that would be to work so hard to get open but to not have the CHANCE to touch the rock, let alone catch it. Yes they've dropped tons, yes they've failed to get open too much, and yes it's been tough without legit playmakers, but they deserve a chance to play with someone who can actually get them the ball consistently. This is their livelihood and they can't control what crappy qb is behind center. Higgins should have AT LEAST 3 more tds, and Njoku and Dreggs should have several more as well. For my qb, I want the best combination of accuracy and mobility. And right now that's Baker Mayfield, with Lamar Jackson staying in the back of my mind.
The people who think McCarron completely sucks are crazy, just like the people who think he's GOOD are nuts. Nobody knows because he hasn't played too much, but here's what I know: AJ McCarron is better than anything we have, and while that's a pretty low bar to crawl over, it still would've been significant for our team. It would've at least breathed life into a fan base and team with very little hope. That's what really hurts the most. The silver lining is obviously we didn't sacrifice those high picks, but let's be honest...how much faith do you have in our front office to make the right selections anyway?
McCarron could've at least gotten the ball to Coleman or especially Gordon if the planets align and he can stay sober. Kizer isn't going to get the ball to these guys consistently because he can't THROW consistently...regardless of who is out there. We've had multiple times when our scrubs were open and Kizer screwed up, so why would it matter if more talented people are open? Don't underestimate how terrible Kizer's playing right now. It's HISTORICALLY awful. He's limited to short passes and the occasional deep shot, but he's not attempting mid-range passes over the middle or down the seam because he knows he'll turn it over and get benched. There are two passes that really demonstrate who Kizer is as a QB, and both were supposed to go to Higgins, both in the red zone. The first one was a slant over the middle where Higgins won his route and had several steps on his guy. In the NFL, it's considered WIDE OPEN. Kizer missed by 6-8 feet and the ball was picked off. When we REALLY needed the TD OR THE FG. The second example was the pick on 1st down I believe when Higgins ran a terrific route and again had several steps deep in the red zone. Kizer missed by about 8 feet HIGH and the ball was again easily picked. This was a route that was reported to have been executed to perfection TWICE in practice that week, yet when it mattered Kizer couldn't deliver. What's worth noting is that Kizer didn't just miss, everyone MISSES, but he missed by a MILE in pro football standards. Additionally, he missed high, and he missed way behind....so it's not just a matter of missing one way or the other, he's missing everywhere. That's a definite sign of an extremely inaccurate thrower, and basically the kiss of death for an NFL QB.
Our receiving Corp has taken a great deal of flack, and rightfully so, but there's nothing they can do if the ball is thrown 8 feet off the mark. Think about just how frustrating that would be to work so hard to get open but to not have the CHANCE to touch the rock, let alone catch it. Yes they've dropped tons, yes they've failed to get open too much, and yes it's been tough without legit playmakers, but they deserve a chance to play with someone who can actually get them the ball consistently. This is their livelihood and they can't control what crappy qb is behind center. Higgins should have AT LEAST 3 more tds, and Njoku and Dreggs should have several more as well. For my qb, I want the best combination of accuracy and mobility. And right now that's Baker Mayfield, with Lamar Jackson staying in the back of my mind.
You lost me with Mayfield and Jackson... That Kizer sucks,well....
The only caveat to AJ McCarron is that if Hue Jackson wanted the guy here he, above anybody else in Cleveland, has worked with him for a long time and would probably have a better idea of his worth.
WSS
Steve, Hue has no clue what any QB is worth.... RG III earth movin' Griffin, and just trust me on Kessler.
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Actually yes Joe Thomas should be the expectation for anybody drafted number 1. At least high-level productivity and trips to the Pro Bowl for anybody drafted in the first round.
WSS
We have a whopping one player on this team who was drafted number 1, and he's been pretty good.
You can look back and find players who are well liked who weren’t on Joe’s career track. But that doesn’t fit your boohoo “they are all meanies in Cleveland” narrative.
Keep hitting like, I heard it will save African kids from starving.
I don't understand where you're going with this. First the only reason that anyone speaks positively about Joe Thomas is because he's a stud. Now I guess you're saying there are players people like who suck (who are they?).
Keep whining like a woman. It will definitely improve this franchise.
I don't understand where you're going with this. First the only reason that anyone speaks positively about Joe Thomas is because he's a stud. Now I guess you're saying there are players people like who suck (who are they?).
Keep whining like a woman. It will definitely improve this franchise.
You were saying that people only like players of Joe’s caliber. Sucking as a player isn’t tolerated by any fan base. There is an area between great and terrible, Rainman.
Being critical of a regime that is producing garbage results and at least laughing at the situation > nagging grown men about how they should post on an internet forum. No amount of sunshine pumping and turd polishing by the fan base is going to change the product.
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The people who think McCarron completely sucks are crazy, just like the people who think he's GOOD are nuts. Nobody knows because he hasn't played too much, but here's what I know: AJ McCarron is better than anything we have, and while that's a pretty low bar to crawl over, it still would've been significant for our team. It would've at least breathed life into a fan base and team with very little hope. That's what really hurts the most. The silver lining is obviously we didn't sacrifice those high picks, but let's be honest...how much faith do you have in our front office to make the right selections anyway?
McCarron could've at least gotten the ball to Coleman or especially Gordon if the planets align and he can stay sober. Kizer isn't going to get the ball to these guys consistently because he can't THROW consistently...regardless of who is out there. We've had multiple times when our scrubs were open and Kizer screwed up, so why would it matter if more talented people are open? Don't underestimate how terrible Kizer's playing right now. It's HISTORICALLY awful. He's limited to short passes and the occasional deep shot, but he's not attempting mid-range passes over the middle or down the seam because he knows he'll turn it over and get benched. There are two passes that really demonstrate who Kizer is as a QB, and both were supposed to go to Higgins, both in the red zone. The first one was a slant over the middle where Higgins won his route and had several steps on his guy. In the NFL, it's considered WIDE OPEN. Kizer missed by 6-8 feet and the ball was picked off. When we REALLY needed the TD OR THE FG. The second example was the pick on 1st down I believe when Higgins ran a terrific route and again had several steps deep in the red zone. Kizer missed by about 8 feet HIGH and the ball was again easily picked. This was a route that was reported to have been executed to perfection TWICE in practice that week, yet when it mattered Kizer couldn't deliver. What's worth noting is that Kizer didn't just miss, everyone MISSES, but he missed by a MILE in pro football standards. Additionally, he missed high, and he missed way behind....so it's not just a matter of missing one way or the other, he's missing everywhere. That's a definite sign of an extremely inaccurate thrower, and basically the kiss of death for an NFL QB.
Our receiving Corp has taken a great deal of flack, and rightfully so, but there's nothing they can do if the ball is thrown 8 feet off the mark. Think about just how frustrating that would be to work so hard to get open but to not have the CHANCE to touch the rock, let alone catch it. Yes they've dropped tons, yes they've failed to get open too much, and yes it's been tough without legit playmakers, but they deserve a chance to play with someone who can actually get them the ball consistently. This is their livelihood and they can't control what crappy qb is behind center. Higgins should have AT LEAST 3 more tds, and Njoku and Dreggs should have several more as well. For my qb, I want the best combination of accuracy and mobility. And right now that's Baker Mayfield, with Lamar Jackson staying in the back of my mind.
You lost me with Mayfield and Jackson... That Kizer sucks,well....
The only caveat to AJ McCarron is that if Hue Jackson wanted the guy here he, above anybody else in Cleveland, has worked with him for a long time and would probably have a better idea of his worth.
WSS
Steve, Hue has no clue what any QB is worth.... RG III earth movin' Griffin, and just trust me on Kessler.
You lost me with Mayfield and Jackson... That Kizer sucks,well....
Steve, Hue has no clue what any QB is worth.... RG III earth movin' Griffin, and just trust me on Kessler.
It's VERY early, but I'm quite fond of Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson is tantalizing. Lamar is also growing as a passer, although admittedly he still has a LONG way to go. The good news for him is that he's trending in the right way and it's obvious the physical skills are there. I believe he'd greatly benefit from another year in school but I don't see it happening. Louisville doesn't have a defense or offensive line. He'd be crazy to return. It's not a Deshaun Watson scenario where Lamar could return to try and win a championship. Louisville just isn't that talented.
Lamar will be the most controversial QB coming out of the draft. Some people will love him, others will stay away. I can tell you that Lamar owes Deshaun Watson a great deal of money because teams will look at what Watson did, and be extremely hesitant to pass on the Louisville QB. I haven't done a full analysis of Lamar yet, but the one thing I want to delve into is whether or not he can pass the ball with anticipation. THAT'S very important in the NFL game, and it's something Kizer really struggles with for us. Can Lamar only throw when he sees a receiver open, or can he throw with anticipation when the guy WILL BE open?
I fear our recent experience with Manziel will prohibit us from drafting Baker Mayfield, and that could be a mistake. I really don't love Darnold or Rosen, and I'm definitely not sold on Allen from Wyoming. There's no doubt Lamar Jackson would be electrifying to watch, but I do worry about him staying healthy and possessing the aforementioned ability to throw with anticipation. No single QB comes without significant question marks, and our scouting department will really have to shine this offseason. Can you imagine Lamar Jackson in a Browns uniform? That guy would be a complete nightmare to stop. I realize everyone in the NFL is fast, but Lamar is a different animal. He can literally go from a standstill to full speed in 2 steps, and that's dangerous.
Anyway, we have 7 months to discuss QBs, so no reason to rush it. For the people who still believe Kizer can be the answer....I salute you. I personally think he has no chance, but I respect all other opinions. Kizer currently has 3 TD passes and 11 INTs I think. I'm not sure I've EVER seen numbers that awful, have you? Somebody recently mentioned Kizer's nice touchdown pass to Corey Coleman as an example of Kizer possessing the ability to throw Tds in the red zone. Ummm....that was the 1st game of the year buddy. Anybody else remember his other 2 TD passes? It's not too difficult to remember. He had like a 2 yard pass to Njoku from play-action when Njoku was wide open, and the other pass was to Britt and was actually a terrific throw and catch. Only problem was it looked like complete LUCK. Kizer basically did a "no-look pass" and Britt accidentally came down it for the score. Let's just say it's not a pass Kizer is going to replicate again.
3 touchdown passes. THREE. *sigh*
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The only good thing about Kizer is that he will have an 'all kind of situation' evaluation. We will know how he plays with butter finger receivers, little or no running game, with migraine, after being benched, recovering his position, with real NFL caliber WRs (if Coleman and Josh play together at their expected level)...
The only thing that by the looks won't change is that on this half season he'll have the same coach making the calls.
These 8 games will say if he stays as QB or becomes a backup. And for me it's a pitty because he has been put in a difficult situation: he's 21 and has a coach desperate looking for a win, not a consistent run game, terrible receivers, no veteran QB, no Offensive Coordinator... I mean, a QB has to be able to manage all that, but being 21 and on your first year? NFL gives a narrow opportunity arc (if that exists in English, lol) and this guy's hasn't been the prettiest.
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I don't understand where you're going with this. First the only reason that anyone speaks positively about Joe Thomas is because he's a stud. Now I guess you're saying there are players people like who suck (who are they?).
Keep whining like a woman. It will definitely improve this franchise.
You were saying that people only like players of Joe’s caliber. Sucking as a player isn’t tolerated by any fan base. There is an area between great and terrible, Rainman.
Being critical of a regime that is producing garbage results and at least laughing at the situation > nagging grown men about how they should post on an internet forum. No amount of sunshine pumping and turd polishing by the fan base is going to change the product.
You were saying that people only like players of Joe’s caliber. Sucking as a player isn’t tolerated by any fan base. There is an area between great and terrible, Rainman.
Being critical of a regime that is producing garbage results and at least laughing at the situation > nagging grown men about how they should post on an internet forum. No amount of sunshine pumping and turd polishing by the fan base is going to change the product.
Actually you were saying that people only like players of Joe's caliber. Yes there is an area between great and terrible. And the guys we have that are in that area get told they suck so much they actually believe it.
If grown men didn't act like children, I wouldn't have to. Sunshine pumping may not change the product, but whining will only make it worse.
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You were saying that people only like players of Joe’s caliber. Sucking as a player isn’t tolerated by any fan base. There is an area between great and terrible, Rainman.
Being critical of a regime that is producing garbage results and at least laughing at the situation > nagging grown men about how they should post on an internet forum. No amount of sunshine pumping and turd polishing by the fan base is going to change the product.
Actually you were saying that people only like players of Joe's caliber. Yes there is an area between great and terrible. And the guys we have that are in that area get told they suck so much they actually believe it.
If grown men didn't act like children, I wouldn't have to. Sunshine pumping may not change the product, but whining will only make it worse.
Actually you were saying that people only like players of Joe's caliber. Yes there is an area between great and terrible. And the guys we have that are in that area get told they suck so much they actually believe it.
If grown men didn't act like children, I wouldn't have to. Sunshine pumping may not change the product, but whining will only make it worse.
Yes that is definitely what I said. All players must be Joe Thomas caliber. Or....maybe I gave an example of a good player that people don't bag on. If a player's fragile self esteem can't handle scrutiny then they weren't going to make it anyway. I am seriously seeing a generation gap or some sort of disconnect with how you grew up in how you perceive life compared to everyone else. Internet back patting to a scrub is not going to make them all of a sudden not a scrub. Likewise, someone being critical of a good player will not make them fail. If so, they are made of Charmin. It appears that the majority of folks here grew up in "no bull sheit" environments where failure wasn't rewarded with "aww you did your best" .
Being critical of failure should inform those in charge that the consumers aren't happy with the product. Constantly telling a bad restaurant that their food is good does not compel them to make a better tasting product. But I guess you would just give them positive yelp reviews in the hopes that it would raise their self esteem instead of being better at their jobs.
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The people who think McCarron completely sucks are crazy, just like the people who think he's GOOD are nuts. Nobody knows because he hasn't played too much, but here's what I know: AJ McCarron is better than anything we have, and while that's a pretty low bar to crawl over, it still would've been significant for our team. It would've at least breathed life into a fan base and team with very little hope. That's what really hurts the most. The silver lining is obviously we didn't sacrifice those high picks, but let's be honest...how much faith do you have in our front office to make the right selections anyway?
McCarron could've at least gotten the ball to Coleman or especially Gordon if the planets align and he can stay sober. Kizer isn't going to get the ball to these guys consistently because he can't THROW consistently...regardless of who is out there. We've had multiple times when our scrubs were open and Kizer screwed up, so why would it matter if more talented people are open? Don't underestimate how terrible Kizer's playing right now. It's HISTORICALLY awful. He's limited to short passes and the occasional deep shot, but he's not attempting mid-range passes over the middle or down the seam because he knows he'll turn it over and get benched. There are two passes that really demonstrate who Kizer is as a QB, and both were supposed to go to Higgins, both in the red zone. The first one was a slant over the middle where Higgins won his route and had several steps on his guy. In the NFL, it's considered WIDE OPEN. Kizer missed by 6-8 feet and the ball was picked off. When we REALLY needed the TD OR THE FG. The second example was the pick on 1st down I believe when Higgins ran a terrific route and again had several steps deep in the red zone. Kizer missed by about 8 feet HIGH and the ball was again easily picked. This was a route that was reported to have been executed to perfection TWICE in practice that week, yet when it mattered Kizer couldn't deliver. What's worth noting is that Kizer didn't just miss, everyone MISSES, but he missed by a MILE in pro football standards. Additionally, he missed high, and he missed way behind....so it's not just a matter of missing one way or the other, he's missing everywhere. That's a definite sign of an extremely inaccurate thrower, and basically the kiss of death for an NFL QB.
Our receiving Corp has taken a great deal of flack, and rightfully so, but there's nothing they can do if the ball is thrown 8 feet off the mark. Think about just how frustrating that would be to work so hard to get open but to not have the CHANCE to touch the rock, let alone catch it. Yes they've dropped tons, yes they've failed to get open too much, and yes it's been tough without legit playmakers, but they deserve a chance to play with someone who can actually get them the ball consistently. This is their livelihood and they can't control what crappy qb is behind center. Higgins should have AT LEAST 3 more tds, and Njoku and Dreggs should have several more as well. For my qb, I want the best combination of accuracy and mobility. And right now that's Baker Mayfield, with Lamar Jackson staying in the back of my mind.
You lost me with Mayfield and Jackson... That Kizer sucks,well....
The only caveat to AJ McCarron is that if Hue Jackson wanted the guy here he, above anybody else in Cleveland, has worked with him for a long time and would probably have a better idea of his worth.
WSS
Steve, Hue has no clue what any QB is worth.... RG III earth movin' Griffin, and just trust me on Kessler.
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You were saying that people only like players of Joe’s caliber. Sucking as a player isn’t tolerated by any fan base. There is an area between great and terrible, Rainman.
Being critical of a regime that is producing garbage results and at least laughing at the situation > nagging grown men about how they should post on an internet forum. No amount of sunshine pumping and turd polishing by the fan base is going to change the product.
Actually you were saying that people only like players of Joe's caliber. Yes there is an area between great and terrible. And the guys we have that are in that area get told they suck so much they actually believe it.
If grown men didn't act like children, I wouldn't have to. Sunshine pumping may not change the product, but whining will only make it worse.
Actually you were saying that people only like players of Joe's caliber. Yes there is an area between great and terrible. And the guys we have that are in that area get told they suck so much they actually believe it.
If grown men didn't act like children, I wouldn't have to. Sunshine pumping may not change the product, but whining will only make it worse.
Either will have zero effect on the product. Not liking 1-23 is human nature.
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Actually you were saying that people only like players of Joe's caliber. Yes there is an area between great and terrible. And the guys we have that are in that area get told they suck so much they actually believe it.
If grown men didn't act like children, I wouldn't have to. Sunshine pumping may not change the product, but whining will only make it worse.
Either will have zero effect on the product. Not liking 1-23 is human nature.
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"This is just a matter of getting to a deal too late in the process," Brown said.
Just as I said pages ago.. Errors in the PROCESS of the trade because of time.
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