Keep it up, brownies

Ghoolie

Zombo said:

Thanks, Nero, I like your take. We are a year and a half into this and I'm not going to start torching buildings in Berea because we passed on Wentz and Watson. But the fans do need a little somethin' somethin' to build off of.

Well, actually we are a great fanbase. A lot of quitters and doomsayers on this board ... but, Jeezus, look at our record. If any other fanbase had their team moved and quickly replaced with an awful one that just kept getting incredibly more awful, you can bet those fanbases would be much less supportive and more bitter than ours, and would have just as big a problem seeing the forest through the trees. When your hobby and your passion kicks you in the nuts every week, everyone is going to react differently, and some are going to become impatient and flip out on the team. I don't think it makes us who remain faithful to the process better fans.

There are a lot of people that I have watched faithfully support this team for 20 years and they have simply had enough .. and I hope the Brownies can give them something to grasp on to the last eight games. It's very possible. Myles Garrett could become a firestorm. Kizer could start to flourish and win games throwing to Coleman and Gordon and we could actually win some games. And some Shmucker will cry that we lost the #1 pick. But that is what we need as fans, and as an organization ... wins.

Zombo

If Kizer has weapons, he will be a completely different QB. You called him a gamer, and I still have doubts, but I am not going to trash him given the lousy hand he has been dealt. His playing seems to fall off as the game goes on...............coincidentally, so does the play of the entire team. Let's see what he does once he has weapons. Remember, other QBs get TDs on short nothing passes enhanced by yards after catch. Kizer gets none of that. Everything for this damned kid is a tooth pull.

I blasted him, for sure, but i am not so convinced that after a few games with weapons, the Browns may not feel the need to take a QB in round one. We will see what happens when guys actually start catching passes.

Ghoolie

@nero said:

Hello all,

I'm Nero, a 24 year old Spaniard who's been watching American Football since David Tyree decided to stick the ball to his helmet. I've been following more and more this sport and currently I'm quite hooked to it. I'm still learning, though.

So what makes me post on this forum? I was really interested in what was going on in the Browns, as I feel really for the team (my home soccer team is not top notch and I know what are losing streaks like), and I seriously want them to be good, better sooner than later. I had great hopes for this season, too. Also, I've seen how well documented people on this forum are, and how they explain their points, which is a great way for learning more about football, and most important: how diehard fans you are. Even in the loses, there's always some kind of optimism and that's HUGE.

So I just wanted to cheer you up. I think you are a great fanbase!

Also, about what's happened lately, I agree with a lot of what's been said in the forum about the FO, Hue, playcalling, Kizer and so on. I'm not an expert and my football knowledge is limited, but I have to say that there's something that surprises me the most: How to handle situations with fanbase and the media.

I'm going to try to explain myself: 0-8, midseason (and 1-23), the only silver linings are Corey and Josh Gordon coming in next weeks. People criticize playcalling and Hue? Let's get an OC to HELP the coaching staff. People criticize FO for missing QBs, talent? Let's ADD someone to the team, a football person or something. If you only get an OC, you're going to point out Hue, who's not gonna like it, but if you add someone in the FO, at least with a limited role, you're saying 'hey, I think you need help with coaching, but we do too at FO''

I'm saying this because the current situation is really hard to swallow even for the diehard Hue-Sashi-DePodesta supporters, so if you're going to stick to the plan (which looks like that), why not at least make subtle changes so fanbase and the media see that you REALLY are constantly trying to improve? I don't mean changing everything or getting Peyton Manning as GM, but make something appealing enough so people calm down a bit and don't keep throwing stones at your roof.

Just my two cents.

You have never been subject to a Ghoolie Blast, have you? Whattaya think guys............should I let him have it?

Nero

@ghoolie said:

You have never been subject to a Ghoolie Blast, have you? Whattaya think guys............should I let him have it?

Making friends all over the world, huh? LOL, I haven't been here longer than a day and I haven't said anything about Oline, give me a soft start, please haha.

jiggins7919

We are a great fan base, and once we're finally competitive it'll be a sight for sore eyes. We'd be a competitive team with average QB play, and we'd be a decent team with above average QB play....especially if Josh and Corey are playing. I mean, it's impossible to say, but if we just had a QB that completed HALF the touchdown passes that Kizer completely missed, and threw HALF the interceptions, how many games do we win? 3? 4? More?

As we all know, the QB position has tortured us for almost 20 years. We've also been tortured by inept coaching, front office morons, and whatever else you can think of. I keep thinking about cutting Taylor Gabriel and keeping Jordan Payton. We're not talking about keeping a WR that's not performing as good as Gabriel, we're talking about keeping Payton who isn't in the LEAGUE anymore. How do you miss THAT badly? Especially at a position where your team is so thin?

I will grant you that Kizer was given NO favors when he has to throw to practice squad level receivers, but he still misses them when they ARE open. And watching our short passing game offense is enough to make me sick to my stomach. I understand WHY Hue is doing this, but it's still awful to watch. Our front office is obviously a joke, and just the thought of trading away a 2nd AND a 3rd for McCarron shows the world just how desperate we are, AND that we have NO confidence in Kizer (who does?). If Kizer didn't have a messed up head before, he does now!

We'll get there one day...it's just not going to be any time soon. Hang in there, Spaniard.

TexasAg1969

@ghoolie said:

You have never been subject to a Ghoolie Blast, have you? Whattaya think guys............should I let him have it?

One Trump in international relations has done enough damage already thank you.

Ghoolie

@texasag1969 said:

One Trump in international relations has done enough damage already thank you.

LMAO......man, I have a lot of tasteless Spaniard material, too.

The Gipper

@ghoolie said:

LMAO......man, I have a lot of tasteless Spaniard material, too.

What? You mean you haven't yet gotten over that whole Armada thing?

Ghoolie

@the-gipper said:

What? You mean you haven't yet gotten over that whole Armada thing?

LOL. Running of the BULLSCHIDT.

Nero

What is all this about?

The Gipper

@nero said:

What is all this about?

Catchup, Baby Tomato.

TexasAg1969

@nero said:

What is all this about?

Don't tempt the Ghoolie Nero.

nickers

Welcome to the board , Nero... I hope we haven't scared you off yet...

tinythinker

@nero said:

I've been to al those cities but Toledo. They're really beautiful. And it's funny with languages how some of it stucks in the back of your mind no matter how long you haven't practised it.

Yes, I studied Spanish many years ago in school but had no chance to use it and I forgot most of it. But a few things remain, such as asking "Donde esta el bano?" as well as rough/bad translations I made of songs for practice, such as "Billy Jean no es mi amante, es una chica que dice 'Soy el uno', pero el nino no es mi hijo."

Anyway, welcome o/

TexasAg1969

"Donde esta el bano?"

Well that's what it is in Venezuela (with the nyay), but in Spain I found it was area de aseo. Or something similar.

And a room in the hotel was not el cuarto, but la habitacion (accent on the o).

Dutch Oven

@texasag1969 said:

"Donde esta el bano?"

Well that's what it is in Venezuela (with the nyay), but in Spain I found it was area de aseo. Or something similar.

And a room in the hotel was not el cuarto, but la habitacion (accent on the o).

I would imagine that the Spanish spoken in South America would be different than the Spanish spoken in Mexico, which would be different than the Spanish in Puerto Rico, which would be different than what is actually spoken in Spain, yes?

I've always heard that, for example, a Northern Italian and a Southern Italian might struggle understanding each other.

Nero

@texasag1969 said:

"Donde esta el bano?"

Well that's what it is in Venezuela (with the nyay), but in Spain I found it was area de aseo. Or something similar.

And a room in the hotel was not el cuarto, but la habitacion (accent on the o).

In Spain it would be: dónde está el baño? Or 'aseo/servicio' in a more formal context. I've never seen 'área de aseo'.

With the hotel room would be 'habitación', indeed. I find it that Spanish has many more words to describe things than other languages, so we can actually understand what you mean by 'cuarto', but it is used in really informal manner "mi cuarto, my bedroom" or to describe small or technical rooms "cuarto de limpieza, cuarto de contadores. Janitor's room, meter boxes' room." Habitación is used for bedrooms and well, in a hotel you have a bed in your room

@dutch-oven said:

I would imagine that the Spanish spoken in South America would be different than the Spanish spoken in Mexico, which would be different than the Spanish in Puerto Rico, which would be different than what is actually spoken in Spain, yes?

I've always heard that, for example, a Northern Italian and a Southern Italian might struggle understanding each other.

Well, you're right, it is very different. I would say it has more to do with the accent and vocabulary.

For example, structure is still the same in different places, but you may have to 'make you ear' to the different accent and adapt your vocabulary.

A typical funny one is in Spain 'coger' means 'pick up (sth)' whereas in South America it is almost exclusively means 'to f*ck'.

Anyway, the most difficult ones to understand can be the Hispanic living in the States as their original Spanish deteriorates and gets mixed up with American English, which they use more.

**Heads up** If you don't have the Ñ, a method which is usually used is to substitute it by 'NY'. like 'donde esta el banyo' 'Espanya' The Ñ sound is precisely form from the contraction between the N and the Y (or I, in Spanish they're the same)

And thanks everyone for the warm welcome!

wargograw

In Costa Rica we use "vos" for "you," which is infinitely better than tu, though you have to learn an entirely different conjugation system.

TexasAg1969

@nero said:

A typical funny one is in Spain 'coger' means 'pick up (sth)' whereas in South America it is almost exclusively means 'to f*ck'.

Yessir and "coge tu madre" does not mean pick her up either, but you can recoger (pick up).

tinythinker

The Spanish taught in textbooks (used to be) very formal and based on a particular region of Spain. It's like being taught English with a particular British dialect in a formal tone.

Nero

@tinythinker said:

The Spanish taught in textbooks (used to be) very formal and based on a particular region of Spain. It's like being taught English with a particular British dialect in a formal tone.

Well, I haven't seen those books, but I bet is from Castile. In Spain we often say "castellano" instead of "español".

Spanish is the mother tongue of many different countries, so there's an Academy trying to keep track with all the slangs and words used everywhere.

Anyway, everytime I find something interesting or different from people from other places (say Venezuela, or even Andalucía) I usually tell the same joke: 'we gave you a language, and see how you're messing it up!'