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  • W wargograw

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    It's not who gets fired. It's about who you hire.  

    Yes it is. And whoever we hire if we fire this regime will be NOT GOOD.

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    flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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    @wargograw said:

    Yes it is. And whoever we hire if we fire this regime will be NOT GOOD.

    Ya...like now...lol

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      @flyingfooldoug said:

      It's not who gets fired. It's about who you hire.  

      Yes it is. And whoever we hire if we fire this regime will be NOT GOOD.

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      @wargograw said:

      Yes it is. And whoever we hire if we fire this regime will be NOT GOOD.

      They will be if you positive post enough! They will have to believe!

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        @flyingfooldoug said:

        It's not who gets fired. It's about who you hire.  

        Yes it is. And whoever we hire if we fire this regime will be NOT GOOD.

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        @wargograw said:

        Yes it is. And whoever we hire if we fire this regime will be NOT GOOD.

        That's what most Rams fans here in SoCal pissed and moaned about this past off season after they hired Sean McVay.

        As I've said multiple times...... Great coaches are not great coaches until they're great coaches. As well as...... We don't have to hire a coach that everyone has heard of - I see you there Sean McVay and Doug Pederson, we simply have to hire the right coach. 

        Can Hue still be that right coach? I'm saying yes - possibly, maybe... if he's willing to hire an OC and give him complete and total control of the offense...... but can or will he? 

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          As with sharpshooting anything ever.. I wish more people both on this forum and apparently in Berea worked to the following slogan: Don't oppose, propose.

          This means that simply saying "That's wrong rawr!" isn't enough.. if you want to assert something's wrong, you must propose and defend your personal alternative.

          I don't know why LaCanfora has a job when every article he writes appears to be gaslighting .. this move [if true] would be entirely ridiculous

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            @wargograw said:

            Yes it is. And whoever we hire if we fire this regime will be NOT GOOD.

            That's what most Rams fans here in SoCal pissed and moaned about this past off season after they hired Sean McVay.

            As I've said multiple times...... Great coaches are not great coaches until they're great coaches. As well as...... We don't have to hire a coach that everyone has heard of - I see you there Sean McVay and Doug Pederson, we simply have to hire the right coach. 

            Can Hue still be that right coach? I'm saying yes - possibly, maybe... if he's willing to hire an OC and give him complete and total control of the offense...... but can or will he? 

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            @d-bone said:

            That's what most Rams fans here in SoCal pissed and moaned about this past off season after they hired Sean McVay.

            As I've said multiple times...... Great coaches are not great coaches until they're great coaches. As well as...... We don't have to hire a coach that everyone has heard of - I see you there Sean McVay and Doug Pederson, we simply have to hire the right coach. 

            Can Hue still be that right coach? I'm saying yes - possibly, maybe... if he's willing to hire an OC and give him complete and total control of the offense...... but can or will he? 

            Completely on point bro. Hue might just not be the right coach for us. He might not be right for "moneyball" or "sashi's process". It's ignorant to think 1-23 is the best record we could possible have. Hell, if you or I coached the team, we'd only be one game worse in the worst case scenario 😆. Jeff Fisher was a smart guy. The Rams are killing it this year now that they got rid of him. The Rams were 4-12 and he was shitcanned. You have to produce in the NFL to keep your job, except on the Cleveland Browns. I'm hoping we have the right guys in the office now, but i'm definitely not positive about that.

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              @wargograw said:

              Yes it is. And whoever we hire if we fire this regime will be NOT GOOD.

              That's what most Rams fans here in SoCal pissed and moaned about this past off season after they hired Sean McVay.

              As I've said multiple times...... Great coaches are not great coaches until they're great coaches. As well as...... We don't have to hire a coach that everyone has heard of - I see you there Sean McVay and Doug Pederson, we simply have to hire the right coach. 

              Can Hue still be that right coach? I'm saying yes - possibly, maybe... if he's willing to hire an OC and give him complete and total control of the offense...... but can or will he? 

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              @d-bone said:

              That's what most Rams fans here in SoCal pissed and moaned about this past off season after they hired Sean McVay.

              As I've said multiple times...... Great coaches are not great coaches until they're great coaches. As well as...... We don't have to hire a coach that everyone has heard of - I see you there Sean McVay and Doug Pederson, we simply have to hire the right coach. 

              Can Hue still be that right coach? I'm saying yes - possibly, maybe... if he's willing to hire an OC and give him complete and total control of the offense...... but can or will he? 

              I hear ya, there’s just no comparison between the two situations. The Rams have been and are loaded. 

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                They are also bringing in JD Powers and Associates

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                  @d-bone said:

                  That's what most Rams fans here in SoCal pissed and moaned about this past off season after they hired Sean McVay.

                  As I've said multiple times...... Great coaches are not great coaches until they're great coaches. As well as...... We don't have to hire a coach that everyone has heard of - I see you there Sean McVay and Doug Pederson, we simply have to hire the right coach. 

                  Can Hue still be that right coach? I'm saying yes - possibly, maybe... if he's willing to hire an OC and give him complete and total control of the offense...... but can or will he? 

                  I hear ya, there’s just no comparison between the two situations. The Rams have been and are loaded. 

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                  @wargograw said:

                  I hear ya, there’s just no comparison between the two situations. The Rams have been and are loaded. 

                  The Rams were 4-12 last year

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                    @wargograw said:

                    I hear ya, there’s just no comparison between the two situations. The Rams have been and are loaded. 

                    The Rams were 4-12 last year

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                    @stillmotion said:

                    The Rams were 4-12 last year

                    Apparently a loaded 4-12.   Casey Kasem started a lot of games for them and when Goff started at the end of the season he looked as lost as any rookie QB ever has.   The turn around has nothing to do with a whole new coaching staff allegedly.

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                      They are also bringing in JD Powers and Associates

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                      @ghoolie said:

                      They are also bringing in JD Powers and Associates

                      And the JD Stamps Quartet!

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                      • Mark OM Mark O

                        @stillmotion said:

                        The Rams were 4-12 last year

                        Apparently a loaded 4-12.   Casey Kasem started a lot of games for them and when Goff started at the end of the season he looked as lost as any rookie QB ever has.   The turn around has nothing to do with a whole new coaching staff allegedly.

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                        Apparently a loaded 4-12.   Casey Kasem started a lot of games for them and when Goff started at the end of the season he looked as lost as any rookie QB ever has.   The turn around has nothing to do with a whole new coaching staff allegedly.

                        Definitely not. And the Browns couldn't possibly find a better coach than Hue.

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                          @stillmotion said:

                          The Rams were 4-12 last year

                          Apparently a loaded 4-12.   Casey Kasem started a lot of games for them and when Goff started at the end of the season he looked as lost as any rookie QB ever has.   The turn around has nothing to do with a whole new coaching staff allegedly.

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                          @mark-o said:

                          Apparently a loaded 4-12.   Casey Kasem started a lot of games for them and when Goff started at the end of the season he looked as lost as any rookie QB ever has.   The turn around has nothing to do with a whole new coaching staff allegedly.

                          Yes, they were a loaded 4-12. You probably attribute the Cowboys turnaround from 2015 to 16 to the fact that they hired a new ball boy or something too. 

                          @stillmotion said:

                          The Rams were 4-12 last year

                          Yeah, they had bad coaches. That was clearly evident because their team showed its talent despite the record. My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent. 

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                            @mark-o said:

                            Apparently a loaded 4-12.   Casey Kasem started a lot of games for them and when Goff started at the end of the season he looked as lost as any rookie QB ever has.   The turn around has nothing to do with a whole new coaching staff allegedly.

                            Yes, they were a loaded 4-12. You probably attribute the Cowboys turnaround from 2015 to 16 to the fact that they hired a new ball boy or something too. 

                            @stillmotion said:

                            The Rams were 4-12 last year

                            Yeah, they had bad coaches. That was clearly evident because their team showed its talent despite the record. My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent. 

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                            @wargograw said:

                            My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent. 

                            weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.

                            Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them

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                              @d-bone said:

                              That's what most Rams fans here in SoCal pissed and moaned about this past off season after they hired Sean McVay.

                              As I've said multiple times...... Great coaches are not great coaches until they're great coaches. As well as...... We don't have to hire a coach that everyone has heard of - I see you there Sean McVay and Doug Pederson, we simply have to hire the right coach. 

                              Can Hue still be that right coach? I'm saying yes - possibly, maybe... if he's willing to hire an OC and give him complete and total control of the offense...... but can or will he? 

                              I hear ya, there’s just no comparison between the two situations. The Rams have been and are loaded. 

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                              flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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                              @wargograw said:

                              I hear ya, there’s just no comparison between the two situations. The Rams have been and are loaded. 

                              Why is that?

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                              • The GipperT The Gipper

                                With Haslam selling out essentially to Warren Buffet, it is no surprise that the family may become more involved.....considering that the Browns WILL now basically be that family's business.

                                So...perhaps think of it this way:   The Haslam's are like the Rooney family.   The older generation didn't do so well with that team......for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty. 

                                (and yes...I am sure you can find examples of where the younger generation has come along and been as bad or worse as the older generation....can you say 4 generations of Bidwill's with the Cards).    But....there is some chance.

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                                So...perhaps think of it this way:   The Haslam's are like the Rooney family.   The older generation didn't do so well with that team......for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty. 

                                Not exactly. Art Rooney turned the reins over to Dan after the Steelers had won their first Super Bowl.

                                The seeds of the dynasty were already planted before Dan took over...the familiar names...Bradshaw, Greene, Lambert, Ham, Franco, Greenwood, Blount, Webster, Swann were on the roster.

                                Mike Webster was a rookie back up, and Lynn Swann was relegated to special teams.

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  So...perhaps think of it this way:   The Haslam's are like the Rooney family.   The older generation didn't do so well with that team......for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty. 

                                  Not exactly. Art Rooney turned the reins over to Dan after the Steelers had won their first Super Bowl.

                                  The seeds of the dynasty were already planted before Dan took over...the familiar names...Bradshaw, Greene, Lambert, Ham, Franco, Greenwood, Blount, Webster, Swann were on the roster.

                                  Mike Webster was a rookie back up, and Lynn Swann was relegated to special teams.

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                                  @stinkhole said:

                                  Not exactly. Art Rooney turned the reins over to Dan after the Steelers had won their first Super Bowl.

                                  The seeds of the dynasty were already planted before Dan took over...the familiar names...Bradshaw, Greene, Lambert, Ham, Franco, Greenwood, Blount, Webster, Swann were on the roster.

                                  Mike Webster was a rookie back up, and Lynn Swann was relegated to special teams.

                                  I suspect Dan was heavily involved in bringing in those names....even if he hadn't "taken over" yet. .  I assume he was groomed to take over and had a long affiliation with the team before doing so.  I mean, Dan wasn't the prodigal son who had been lost in the wilderness for years, and all of a sudden comes back to town and says "Hi Dad....give me control of your team". 

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                                    @stinkhole said:

                                    Not exactly. Art Rooney turned the reins over to Dan after the Steelers had won their first Super Bowl.

                                    The seeds of the dynasty were already planted before Dan took over...the familiar names...Bradshaw, Greene, Lambert, Ham, Franco, Greenwood, Blount, Webster, Swann were on the roster.

                                    Mike Webster was a rookie back up, and Lynn Swann was relegated to special teams.

                                    I suspect Dan was heavily involved in bringing in those names....even if he hadn't "taken over" yet. .  I assume he was groomed to take over and had a long affiliation with the team before doing so.  I mean, Dan wasn't the prodigal son who had been lost in the wilderness for years, and all of a sudden comes back to town and says "Hi Dad....give me control of your team". 

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                                    I suspect Dan was heavily involved in bringing in those names....even if he hadn't "taken over" yet. .  I assume he was groomed to take over and had a long affiliation with the team before doing so.  I mean, Dan wasn't the prodigal son who had been lost in the wilderness for years, and all of a sudden comes back to town and says "Hi Dad....give me control of your team". 

                                    No argument with any of that, its just that  your statement can be easily be interpreted as Dan creating a dynasty AFTER he took over.

                                    for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty. 

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                                      @the-gipper said:

                                      I suspect Dan was heavily involved in bringing in those names....even if he hadn't "taken over" yet. .  I assume he was groomed to take over and had a long affiliation with the team before doing so.  I mean, Dan wasn't the prodigal son who had been lost in the wilderness for years, and all of a sudden comes back to town and says "Hi Dad....give me control of your team". 

                                      No argument with any of that, its just that  your statement can be easily be interpreted as Dan creating a dynasty AFTER he took over.

                                      for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty. 

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                                      @stinkhole said:

                                      No argument with any of that, its just that  your statement can be easily be interpreted as Dan creating a dynasty AFTER he took over.

                                      for 40 years they sucked under Art Rooney....but then the younger generation...Dan Rooney...took over...and they became a dynasty. 

                                      Well...it may still be accurate in a couple of senses.....I mean...what constituted "taking over"?  Dan may have de facto "taken over" a few years before it was official.

                                      And, even by your own recollection of things.....Art was only in charge for one of those titles.   One  or two titles does not a dynasty make.  If Dan was in charger for the next 3, then, semantically....the Steelers did not become a dynasty  until after he took over. Fair to say?

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                                        @wargograw said:

                                        My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent. 

                                        weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.

                                        Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them

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                                        @stillmotion said:

                                        weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.

                                        Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them

                                        Hue Jackson is in way, way, over his head. Nice guy, but really he is a Division 1 AA caliber talent. The sooner Haslam pulls the lever of the Sloan Valve, the better.

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                                          @wargograw said:

                                          My point is and has been that you have no idea how good or bad our coaches are because we don't yet have experienced talent. 

                                          weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.

                                          Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them

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                                          @stillmotion said:

                                          weak argument. we've lost 4 games by the number 12 combined. Herm Edwards said that, you know, one of the guys you said doesn't do "research" on the Browns or understand Sashi's brilliant equation of a process. I guess Sashi is too smart and more of a football guy than Herm is. If Hue was a better coach, we would've won at least one of those four games.

                                          Only a weak coach would lose ALL of them

                                          So we're really close to breaking through? Yet you want to demote Sashi right? Please explain.

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