AJ McCarron
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So what if McCarron wins his case for FA? Do we go after him and forget about drafting a QB?
Possibly Texas. The difficulty of this is actually figuring out how much to PAY a guy like McCarron. We all remember the Matt Flynns of the world who received giant contracts based on limited sample sizes, so working out a contract is not easy to do. While I believe McCarron is an obvious upgrade, that really doesn't say much when you're comparing him to the literal WORST QB in the league.
My biggest concern with McCarron is his ceiling, ya know? Can he be a true franchise type guy, or is he simply a qualified backup? He's not fast. Not especially big. Doesn't have a plus arm, and really doesn't have much going on besides his knowledge of our offense, decent accuracy, and being a winner.
I still think we draft a QB very high in the draft AND sign a veteran. I think we're going to be VERY aggressive this year addressing the QB position...like nothing we've seen before. I honestly don't think people truly understand the difference just an AVERAGE QB would make on this team. If you go back and just look at how many TD passes Kizer missed, how many turnovers he caused in the red zone, and if a QB could've converted just a THIRD of those....who knows what our record is. Yes our receivers dropped a ton. Yes Britt caused two by himself on decent passes that would have been 1st downs. Yes they haven't gotten open nearly enough. But Kizer isn't delivering the rock when they DO get open, and now Hue is dumbing down the offense so much that we have zero scoring threats.
Possibly Texas. The difficulty of this is actually figuring out how much to PAY a guy like McCarron. We all remember the Matt Flynns of the world who received giant contracts based on limited sample sizes, so working out a contract is not easy to do. While I believe McCarron is an obvious upgrade, that really doesn't say much when you're comparing him to the literal WORST QB in the league.
My biggest concern with McCarron is his ceiling, ya know? Can he be a true franchise type guy, or is he simply a qualified backup? He's not fast. Not especially big. Doesn't have a plus arm, and really doesn't have much going on besides his knowledge of our offense, decent accuracy, and being a winner.
I still think we draft a QB very high in the draft AND sign a veteran. I think we're going to be VERY aggressive this year addressing the QB position...like nothing we've seen before. I honestly don't think people truly understand the difference just an AVERAGE QB would make on this team. If you go back and just look at how many TD passes Kizer missed, how many turnovers he caused in the red zone, and if a QB could've converted just a THIRD of those....who knows what our record is. Yes our receivers dropped a ton. Yes Britt caused two by himself on decent passes that would have been 1st downs. Yes they haven't gotten open nearly enough. But Kizer isn't delivering the rock when they DO get open, and now Hue is dumbing down the offense so much that we have zero scoring threats.
I think that the problem with McCarron, as with any other backup, is that he can produce some highlights simply because of the surprise factor. There's many backups who come out and play well to then start failing miserably once they become starters.
Even though I want to stay more optimistic than you about Kizer - I think he turning around for better is one of the few things to hope for I have left for this season- I completely agree with you about addressing the QB position.
If it is so hard to get a franchise QB, let's take every possibility out of the situation. Get a veteran (before the draft) and draft a QB even if Kizer shows some promise in the end of the season. Make them compete so we finally get a decent player in that position. We got a huge salary cap and draft picks to make that kind of move.
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Yeah I'd be much more of a winner if I wanted to fire everyone just so we could keep losing, like we have for 20 years. Kudos to you man.
again i said Sashi needs to be demoted, not fired, yet you put words in my mouth and create false narratives in order to try and make your weak argument stronger.
"The Process" is far from perfect and Sashi needs to let someone who knows how to draft, draft instead of him and Mr. Baseball.
again i said Sashi needs to be demoted, not fired, yet you put words in my mouth and create false narratives in order to try and make your weak argument stronger.
"The Process" is far from perfect and Sashi needs to let someone who knows how to draft, draft instead of him and Mr. Baseball.
Again, same thing. And again, we are not getting some stud GM. You'll have to get over it.
Ah the method that every other dumpster team has used to get out of the dump. Yes, total failure for sure. Those other 31 franchises that use normal methods just don’t have the knowledge of Sashi. Get the Shmuck out. We already determined that you think of the NFL within the time frame of 10 years.
Do you think this fan base has only liked Joe Thomas? There are players in between the dog turds and a hall of famer.
Yes, mocking a baby learning to walk = being critical of an adult millionaire being bad at their job.
Apparently it is an internet thing because you were trying to get people to modify how they post because they were saying meanie words about the FO of a 1-23 operation. Sashi the Great and Powerful should be able to hack it. Unless part of the process fails due to negativity on The Browns Board. We are in uncharted territory with record and FO so it may be a metric.
Beginning to think you and London might be Sashi and Paul.
They may have the knowledge of Sashi, they just don't have the incompetence of our organization before they got there.
We already determined that you're 0-1 on examples that you think prove your point. Congrats.
So maybe cite some of them, instead of Joe Thomas? Then you wouldn't leave yourself exposed to looking so foolish.
Yeah, it was a pretty good analogy. Thanks.
The internet is the symptom. Culture is the issue. I already explained this. You dedicating a new paragraph to making the same point isn't going to cover up the fact that you have reading comprehension issues.
For someone whose nickname is "logic" it sure seems like you're just trolling because you don't have an answer.
Pretty much nailed it. All the group has to say is "1-23" with insane asylum-worthy repetition. No actual solutions other than "hire a 'football guy'!" No actual discussion of where the team's going. These discussions are worthless.
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again i said Sashi needs to be demoted, not fired, yet you put words in my mouth and create false narratives in order to try and make your weak argument stronger.
"The Process" is far from perfect and Sashi needs to let someone who knows how to draft, draft instead of him and Mr. Baseball.
Again, same thing. And again, we are not getting some stud GM. You'll have to get over it.
Ah the method that every other dumpster team has used to get out of the dump. Yes, total failure for sure. Those other 31 franchises that use normal methods just don’t have the knowledge of Sashi. Get the Shmuck out. We already determined that you think of the NFL within the time frame of 10 years.
Do you think this fan base has only liked Joe Thomas? There are players in between the dog turds and a hall of famer.
Yes, mocking a baby learning to walk = being critical of an adult millionaire being bad at their job.
Apparently it is an internet thing because you were trying to get people to modify how they post because they were saying meanie words about the FO of a 1-23 operation. Sashi the Great and Powerful should be able to hack it. Unless part of the process fails due to negativity on The Browns Board. We are in uncharted territory with record and FO so it may be a metric.
Beginning to think you and London might be Sashi and Paul.
They may have the knowledge of Sashi, they just don't have the incompetence of our organization before they got there.
We already determined that you're 0-1 on examples that you think prove your point. Congrats.
So maybe cite some of them, instead of Joe Thomas? Then you wouldn't leave yourself exposed to looking so foolish.
Yeah, it was a pretty good analogy. Thanks.
The internet is the symptom. Culture is the issue. I already explained this. You dedicating a new paragraph to making the same point isn't going to cover up the fact that you have reading comprehension issues.
For someone whose nickname is "logic" it sure seems like you're just trolling because you don't have an answer.
Pretty much nailed it. All the group has to say is "1-23" with insane asylum-worthy repetition. No actual solutions other than "hire a 'football guy'!" No actual discussion of where the team's going. These discussions are worthless.
Pretty much nailed it. All the group has to say is "1-23" with insane asylum-worthy repetition. No actual solutions other than "hire a 'football guy'!" No actual discussion of where the team's going. These discussions are worthless.
And no answer or even thought given to the reality that the prior 2 decades of 4-12 prior to Sashi et al were 100% due to football decisions made by football guys.
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Pretty much nailed it. All the group has to say is "1-23" with insane asylum-worthy repetition. No actual solutions other than "hire a 'football guy'!" No actual discussion of where the team's going. These discussions are worthless.
And no answer or even thought given to the reality that the prior 2 decades of 4-12 prior to Sashi et al were 100% due to football decisions made by football guys.
And no answer or even thought given to the reality that the prior 2 decades of 4-12 prior to Sashi et al were 100% due to football decisions made by football guys.
Yet all of the other winning teams had football guys. Maybe we just had the wrong football guys in place. Sashi has succeeded in getting draft picks, not taking a QB, and having a worse record than any other "Football guy" we've hired.
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again i said Sashi needs to be demoted, not fired, yet you put words in my mouth and create false narratives in order to try and make your weak argument stronger.
"The Process" is far from perfect and Sashi needs to let someone who knows how to draft, draft instead of him and Mr. Baseball.
Again, same thing. And again, we are not getting some stud GM. You'll have to get over it.
Ah the method that every other dumpster team has used to get out of the dump. Yes, total failure for sure. Those other 31 franchises that use normal methods just don’t have the knowledge of Sashi. Get the Shmuck out. We already determined that you think of the NFL within the time frame of 10 years.
Do you think this fan base has only liked Joe Thomas? There are players in between the dog turds and a hall of famer.
Yes, mocking a baby learning to walk = being critical of an adult millionaire being bad at their job.
Apparently it is an internet thing because you were trying to get people to modify how they post because they were saying meanie words about the FO of a 1-23 operation. Sashi the Great and Powerful should be able to hack it. Unless part of the process fails due to negativity on The Browns Board. We are in uncharted territory with record and FO so it may be a metric.
Beginning to think you and London might be Sashi and Paul.
They may have the knowledge of Sashi, they just don't have the incompetence of our organization before they got there.
We already determined that you're 0-1 on examples that you think prove your point. Congrats.
So maybe cite some of them, instead of Joe Thomas? Then you wouldn't leave yourself exposed to looking so foolish.
Yeah, it was a pretty good analogy. Thanks.
The internet is the symptom. Culture is the issue. I already explained this. You dedicating a new paragraph to making the same point isn't going to cover up the fact that you have reading comprehension issues.
For someone whose nickname is "logic" it sure seems like you're just trolling because you don't have an answer.
Pretty much nailed it. All the group has to say is "1-23" with insane asylum-worthy repetition. No actual solutions other than "hire a 'football guy'!" No actual discussion of where the team's going. These discussions are worthless.
Again, same thing. And again, we are not getting some stud GM. You'll have to get over it.
You don't know if Jimmy will add someone to make football decisions. It would be a very smart move. If you think Sashi is better at picking talent then any football guys then you're absolutely clueless and need to get his finger out of your mouth.
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Possibly Texas. The difficulty of this is actually figuring out how much to PAY a guy like McCarron. We all remember the Matt Flynns of the world who received giant contracts based on limited sample sizes, so working out a contract is not easy to do. While I believe McCarron is an obvious upgrade, that really doesn't say much when you're comparing him to the literal WORST QB in the league.
My biggest concern with McCarron is his ceiling, ya know? Can he be a true franchise type guy, or is he simply a qualified backup? He's not fast. Not especially big. Doesn't have a plus arm, and really doesn't have much going on besides his knowledge of our offense, decent accuracy, and being a winner.
I still think we draft a QB very high in the draft AND sign a veteran. I think we're going to be VERY aggressive this year addressing the QB position...like nothing we've seen before. I honestly don't think people truly understand the difference just an AVERAGE QB would make on this team. If you go back and just look at how many TD passes Kizer missed, how many turnovers he caused in the red zone, and if a QB could've converted just a THIRD of those....who knows what our record is. Yes our receivers dropped a ton. Yes Britt caused two by himself on decent passes that would have been 1st downs. Yes they haven't gotten open nearly enough. But Kizer isn't delivering the rock when they DO get open, and now Hue is dumbing down the offense so much that we have zero scoring threats.
I think that the problem with McCarron, as with any other backup, is that he can produce some highlights simply because of the surprise factor. There's many backups who come out and play well to then start failing miserably once they become starters.
Even though I want to stay more optimistic than you about Kizer - I think he turning around for better is one of the few things to hope for I have left for this season- I completely agree with you about addressing the QB position.
If it is so hard to get a franchise QB, let's take every possibility out of the situation. Get a veteran (before the draft) and draft a QB even if Kizer shows some promise in the end of the season. Make them compete so we finally get a decent player in that position. We got a huge salary cap and draft picks to make that kind of move.
I think that the problem with McCarron, as with any other backup, is that he can produce some highlights simply because of the surprise factor. There's many backups who come out and play well to then start failing miserably once they become starters.
Even though I want to stay more optimistic than you about Kizer - I think he turning around for better is one of the few things to hope for I have left for this season- I completely agree with you about addressing the QB position.
If it is so hard to get a franchise QB, let's take every possibility out of the situation. Get a veteran (before the draft) and draft a QB even if Kizer shows some promise in the end of the season. Make them compete so we finally get a decent player in that position. We got a huge salary cap and draft picks to make that kind of move.
Well you're exactly right. I mean, I obviously don't KNOW Kizer will continue to flame out, but I also have zero reason to expect him to get better. I've gone into much (probably too much) detail about him, but the primary problems for him are a pervasive lack of accuracy and the inability to make throws BEFORE a receiver is open. That's the key factor for him. Seldom are people open in the NFL like college, and a QB has to release the ball knowing they WILL BE open to catch it. Kizer never had this skill, and has not shown the ability to learn. Now that he's been pulled multiple times and also thrown 11 picks, you can bet he'll be as hesitant as ever.
The inability to make these throws is bad enough, but when you couple it with his other flaw (accuracy), it's insurmountable. Basically, the rare times when Kizer DOES have someone open, he can't hit them consistently enough, especially in the red zone. It's a devastating combination, and one that can drive a giant rift between players and coaches. The players fight their butts off to get open during games, during practice, and they know their LIVELIHOODS are on the line. You telling me that our guys aren't ticked off? All this affects the coaches too, as their livelihoods are also on the line. It's toxic and difficult to overcome.
We are now in full on desperation mode. Pulling qb's in the 2nd halves during 1 score games. Starting people like Kevin Hogan. Trying to trade with ten minutes before the deadline. We are desperate, and we're desperate because we (our coaches and front office) have zero belief that Kizer can develop into a serviceable QB. We knew this year would be rough, but we didn't think Kizer would be THIS bad. We didn't think we'd lose Corey Coleman right away, or that Britt would be so awful, or any of the other tragedies going on with us.
We're staring down the barrel of an 0-16 season, and our coaches are now saying that we can only win if everything goes perfectly. When was the last time a game went perfectly? Ever? We are in deep trouble now. Journalists are saying there's a zero percent chance of our coaches and front office personnel coming back. You can almost feel the blow up coming, and fans can't really stomach it. We wanted to believe in the process. We were willing to give it time once more. We thought we'd see some progress, and we haven't. We simply don't score points. We watch other teams get better. We see nothing positive on our team. It hurts.
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Possibly Texas. The difficulty of this is actually figuring out how much to PAY a guy like McCarron. We all remember the Matt Flynns of the world who received giant contracts based on limited sample sizes, so working out a contract is not easy to do. While I believe McCarron is an obvious upgrade, that really doesn't say much when you're comparing him to the literal WORST QB in the league.
My biggest concern with McCarron is his ceiling, ya know? Can he be a true franchise type guy, or is he simply a qualified backup? He's not fast. Not especially big. Doesn't have a plus arm, and really doesn't have much going on besides his knowledge of our offense, decent accuracy, and being a winner.
I still think we draft a QB very high in the draft AND sign a veteran. I think we're going to be VERY aggressive this year addressing the QB position...like nothing we've seen before. I honestly don't think people truly understand the difference just an AVERAGE QB would make on this team. If you go back and just look at how many TD passes Kizer missed, how many turnovers he caused in the red zone, and if a QB could've converted just a THIRD of those....who knows what our record is. Yes our receivers dropped a ton. Yes Britt caused two by himself on decent passes that would have been 1st downs. Yes they haven't gotten open nearly enough. But Kizer isn't delivering the rock when they DO get open, and now Hue is dumbing down the offense so much that we have zero scoring threats.
I think that the problem with McCarron, as with any other backup, is that he can produce some highlights simply because of the surprise factor. There's many backups who come out and play well to then start failing miserably once they become starters.
Even though I want to stay more optimistic than you about Kizer - I think he turning around for better is one of the few things to hope for I have left for this season- I completely agree with you about addressing the QB position.
If it is so hard to get a franchise QB, let's take every possibility out of the situation. Get a veteran (before the draft) and draft a QB even if Kizer shows some promise in the end of the season. Make them compete so we finally get a decent player in that position. We got a huge salary cap and draft picks to make that kind of move.
I think that the problem with McCarron, as with any other backup, is that he can produce some highlights simply because of the surprise factor. There's many backups who come out and play well to then start failing miserably once they become starters.
For example....see Hogan, Kevin 2017 season Cleveland Browns.
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I think that the problem with McCarron, as with any other backup, is that he can produce some highlights simply because of the surprise factor. There's many backups who come out and play well to then start failing miserably once they become starters.
For example....see Hogan, Kevin 2017 season Cleveland Browns.
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I'm by no means a DeShone Kizer flak but for God's sake boys what kind of receiving cord does the kid have to work with? And what would makes you guys think that AJ McCarron is the second coming of Steve Young? Unless, and this is a shaky guess, Hue Jackson knows more about him than we do....
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I'm by no means a DeShone Kizer fanf but for God's sake boys what kind of receiving corp does the kid have to work with? And what would makes you guys think that AJ McCarron is the second coming of Steve Young? Unless, and this is a shaky guess, Hue Jackson knows more about him than we do....
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Yeah Steve outside of a couple flashes, our wrs are a bunch of doo-doo. That doesn't excuse Kizer continuing to throw the ball 8' over their heads when they are open. Especially throwing to his right. Or make horrible decisions in the Red Zone. His ability to toss an accurate fade in the end zone is virtually nil.
I'm not going to requote Jiggins, but he about exactly nails my opinions. The attempted McCarron trade is a tacit admission by all concerned that they massively screwed up on Kizer. They just won't admit it. Hue does know more about AJ, but after RG III and Kessler would you trust his acumen evaluating QBs? I don't. The Bengals backup QB is better than anything we've got (sad) and we're willing to grossly ovepay for a marginal talent (a 3rd was the most I'd have offered) in an attempt to win a game.
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I'm by no means a DeShone Kizer fanf but for God's sake boys what kind of receiving corp does the kid have to work with? And what would makes you guys think that AJ McCarron is the second coming of Steve Young? Unless, and this is a shaky guess, Hue Jackson knows more about him than we do....
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Yeah Steve outside of a couple flashes, our wrs are a bunch of doo-doo. That doesn't excuse Kizer continuing to throw the ball 8' over their heads when they are open. Especially throwing to his right. Or make horrible decisions in the Red Zone. His ability to toss an accurate fade in the end zone is virtually nil.
I'm not going to requote Jiggins, but he about exactly nails my opinions. The attempted McCarron trade is a tacit admission by all concerned that they massively screwed up on Kizer. They just won't admit it. Hue does know more about AJ, but after RG III and Kessler would you trust his acumen evaluating QBs? I don't. The Bengals backup QB is better than anything we've got (sad) and we're willing to grossly ovepay for a marginal talent (a 3rd was the most I'd have offered) in an attempt to win a game.
Yeah Steve outside of a couple flashes, our wrs are a bunch of doo-doo. That doesn't excuse Kizer continuing to throw the ball 8' over their heads when they are open. Especially throwing to his right. Or make horrible decisions in the Red Zone. His ability to toss an accurate fade in the end zone is virtually nil.
I'm not going to requote Jiggins, but he about exactly nails my opinions. The attempted McCarron trade is a tacit admission by all concerned that they massively screwed up on Kizer. They just won't admit it. Hue does know more about AJ, but after RG III and Kessler would you trust his acumen evaluating QBs? I don't. The Bengals backup QB is better than anything we've got (sad) and we're willing to grossly ovepay for a marginal talent (a 3rd was the most I'd have offered) in an attempt to win a game.
Well I'm not sure. If Hue Jackson was the driving force behind RG3 it didn't seem like a bad idea to me if his head was on straight which it seems like it was. Bad luck. We also don't know if the coach was the guy behind Cody Kessler. If we had Tour here he'd say that it's all done behind the curtains by people at Witness Protection.
But I don't really want a retread or an unproven backup as much as I want a top draft pick.
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Define “define”.
Define 1-23.
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Yeah Steve outside of a couple flashes, our wrs are a bunch of doo-doo. That doesn't excuse Kizer continuing to throw the ball 8' over their heads when they are open. Especially throwing to his right. Or make horrible decisions in the Red Zone. His ability to toss an accurate fade in the end zone is virtually nil.
I'm not going to requote Jiggins, but he about exactly nails my opinions. The attempted McCarron trade is a tacit admission by all concerned that they massively screwed up on Kizer. They just won't admit it. Hue does know more about AJ, but after RG III and Kessler would you trust his acumen evaluating QBs? I don't. The Bengals backup QB is better than anything we've got (sad) and we're willing to grossly ovepay for a marginal talent (a 3rd was the most I'd have offered) in an attempt to win a game.
Well I'm not sure. If Hue Jackson was the driving force behind RG3 it didn't seem like a bad idea to me if his head was on straight which it seems like it was. Bad luck. We also don't know if the coach was the guy behind Cody Kessler. If we had Tour here he'd say that it's all done behind the curtains by people at Witness Protection.
But I don't really want a retread or an unproven backup as much as I want a top draft pick.
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Well I'm not sure. If Hue Jackson was the driving force behind RG3 it didn't seem like a bad idea to me if his head was on straight which it seems like it was. Bad luck. We also don't know if the coach was the guy behind Cody Kessler. If we had Tour here he'd say that it's all done behind the curtains by people at Witness Protection.
But I don't really want a retread or an unproven backup as much as I want a top draft pick.
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Maybe a retread to help Mentor the new kid like the guy we just pissed away. But not a retread who is hostile to the draft pick and wants to be the starter. Like Hoyer.
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Again, same thing. And again, we are not getting some stud GM. You'll have to get over it.
You don't know if Jimmy will add someone to make football decisions. It would be a very smart move. If you think Sashi is better at picking talent then any football guys then you're absolutely clueless and need to get his finger out of your mouth.
You don't know if Jimmy will add someone to make football decisions. It would be a very smart move. If you think Sashi is better at picking talent then any football guys then you're absolutely clueless and need to get his finger out of your mouth.
We have football guys in our draft department. It is the people who genuinely think we have a front office full of math nerds and former baseballers doing everything that are clueless. That is the most ignorant thing you can say. But thank you for proving the depth of your knowledge of our FO.
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You don't know if Jimmy will add someone to make football decisions. It would be a very smart move. If you think Sashi is better at picking talent then any football guys then you're absolutely clueless and need to get his finger out of your mouth.
We have football guys in our draft department. It is the people who genuinely think we have a front office full of math nerds and former baseballers doing everything that are clueless. That is the most ignorant thing you can say. But thank you for proving the depth of your knowledge of our FO.
We have football guys in our draft department. It is the people who genuinely think we have a front office full of math nerds and former baseballers doing everything that are clueless. That is the most ignorant thing you can say. But thank you for proving the depth of your knowledge of our FO.
It honestly doesn't matter what type of guys the Browns have running this organization.
They could be good ol' boys who have played football since they were 5 years old and think light beer and soccer are communist plots against this country, or guys who wear pocket protectors, weigh 135 lbs and drink wine coolers.
The only thing that matters is results. Are the people in charge competent in hiring quality coaches and have the ability to draft and sign quality players? Who they are and how they do it does not matter.
All that being said, I have no problem with people questioning the competency of this front office to hire good coaches and supply them with good players. Those are valid questions.
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You don't know if Jimmy will add someone to make football decisions. It would be a very smart move. If you think Sashi is better at picking talent then any football guys then you're absolutely clueless and need to get his finger out of your mouth.
We have football guys in our draft department. It is the people who genuinely think we have a front office full of math nerds and former baseballers doing everything that are clueless. That is the most ignorant thing you can say. But thank you for proving the depth of your knowledge of our FO.
We have football guys in our draft department. It is the people who genuinely think we have a front office full of math nerds and former baseballers doing everything that are clueless. That is the most ignorant thing you can say. But thank you for proving the depth of your knowledge of our FO.
It would be nice to know who exactly are the football guys behind the scenes. Anyone know?
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You don't know if Jimmy will add someone to make football decisions. It would be a very smart move. If you think Sashi is better at picking talent then any football guys then you're absolutely clueless and need to get his finger out of your mouth.
We have football guys in our draft department. It is the people who genuinely think we have a front office full of math nerds and former baseballers doing everything that are clueless. That is the most ignorant thing you can say. But thank you for proving the depth of your knowledge of our FO.
We have football guys in our draft department. It is the people who genuinely think we have a front office full of math nerds and former baseballers doing everything that are clueless. That is the most ignorant thing you can say. But thank you for proving the depth of your knowledge of our FO.
Well, I'm pretty sure Shannon Sharpe and Herm Edwards said that Sashi and Depo were clueless because of lack of experience. I agree with them, and you don't. Neither opinions are "ignorant" and you don't have to throw names just because you don't agree with my opinion. You should at least hear out someone's full argument without telling them to "shutup" calling them ignorant, clueless, or generalizing them. Criticism is a part of doing the job. If YOU have a job, you're evaluated and analyzed to make sure you're doing a good job. Apparently according to you, we just need to shutup, and not evaluate or analyze anything Sashi does. Jimmy shouldn't either. He should just keep this FO and coaching staff together another year without making one change. If they finish 0-16 this year, and go 0-16 next year, and Hue and Sashi are 1-47 together, then I guess maybe we should finally start to analyze, evaluate, or have constructive criticism against their decisions. But till then, you're saying we should fully bet on Sashi gambling, because he knows best without someone who actually knows how to evaluate a quarterback here. And TexasAG is correct, name the reputable "football guys" we have on the team.
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We have football guys in our draft department. It is the people who genuinely think we have a front office full of math nerds and former baseballers doing everything that are clueless. That is the most ignorant thing you can say. But thank you for proving the depth of your knowledge of our FO.
Well, I'm pretty sure Shannon Sharpe and Herm Edwards said that Sashi and Depo were clueless because of lack of experience. I agree with them, and you don't. Neither opinions are "ignorant" and you don't have to throw names just because you don't agree with my opinion. You should at least hear out someone's full argument without telling them to "shutup" calling them ignorant, clueless, or generalizing them. Criticism is a part of doing the job. If YOU have a job, you're evaluated and analyzed to make sure you're doing a good job. Apparently according to you, we just need to shutup, and not evaluate or analyze anything Sashi does. Jimmy shouldn't either. He should just keep this FO and coaching staff together another year without making one change. If they finish 0-16 this year, and go 0-16 next year, and Hue and Sashi are 1-47 together, then I guess maybe we should finally start to analyze, evaluate, or have constructive criticism against their decisions. But till then, you're saying we should fully bet on Sashi gambling, because he knows best without someone who actually knows how to evaluate a quarterback here. And TexasAG is correct, name the reputable "football guys" we have on the team.
Well, I'm pretty sure Shannon Sharpe and Herm Edwards said that Sashi and Depo were clueless because of lack of experience. I agree with them, and you don't. Neither opinions are "ignorant" and you don't have to throw names just because you don't agree with my opinion. You should at least hear out someone's full argument without telling them to "shutup" calling them ignorant, clueless, or generalizing them. Criticism is a part of doing the job. If YOU have a job, you're evaluated and analyzed to make sure you're doing a good job. Apparently according to you, we just need to shutup, and not evaluate or analyze anything Sashi does. Jimmy shouldn't either. He should just keep this FO and coaching staff together another year without making one change. If they finish 0-16 this year, and go 0-16 next year, and Hue and Sashi are 1-47 together, then I guess maybe we should finally start to analyze, evaluate, or have constructive criticism against their decisions. But till then, you're saying we should fully bet on Sashi gambling, because he knows best without someone who actually knows how to evaluate a quarterback here. And TexasAG is correct, name the reputable "football guys" we have on the team.
War, I'm up for believeing the plan still has viability, and there's still an opportunity for turning things around, and in a process where you tear down an entire team and begin constructing it from 0, you'd say that it is logical to have a 1-15 season. Okay.
But in a process where you start building from 0, after two offseason where you could use two drafts and free agencies, if you are in midseason 0-8, and you have a 80% of the fans not believeing that you can't pull out even 4 wins in the next coming 8 games (see the You Decide Week 10 thread), well, by the looks we're not getting so much better (at least in the wins' number, which evaluates teams in every sport), or not as better as ANYONE, even this FO, would expect.
Therefore, some criticism will come, as everyone expects in one of the most popular sports in the world. Everyone is in the spotlight. And if the public face, the head of the so called process which is performing worse than anyone expected, are people whose major achievements have been reached in fields not related to the sport they are currently in, well, there's that to doubt about.
First thing everyone looks when someone is underperforming in his job is look if he has the qualification to do that job. And the info that arrives to us is I believe a very low percentage of the work that takes place in the facility, both coaching and FO, so we don't know who is really taking the decisions, or at least we can't know which is the entire protocol that is followed to take a decision (they are asked to do their job, not to explain every aspect of it), so there are three options.
1. There's well prepared staff, with a huge football background and experience, but they have failed in some key decisions that the FO heads have to cope with.
2. There's well prepared staff, with a huge football background and experience, which are not listened by Sashi in the decision-making.
3. There's bad prepared staff.
Someone must be responsible. You don't go 1-23 just by bad luck.
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I don't understand why the Browns would have to "tear this thing down and start again" if this front office and coaching staff was fired.
I know this is crazy, but perhaps a new front office could look at what is here and just add good players to it. It's not like the players brought in were drafted to play in some exotic offensive or defensive system, so they should be flexible to whatever coaching staff comes in.
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I don't understand why the Browns would have to "tear this thing down and start again" if this front office and coaching staff was fired.
I know this is crazy, but perhaps a new front office could look at what is here and just add good players to it. It's not like the players brought in were drafted to play in some exotic offensive or defensive system, so they should be flexible to whatever coaching staff comes in.
I know this is crazy, but perhaps a new front office could look at what is here and just add good players to it
Define good.
Define the scheme by which you're going to evaluate the current players.
News flash: Whatever you come up with, at best it's 2-5% different than what is currently being used. There is nothing magical.
It seems you desperately want everything to be about One Magical Person. Show your proof that's possible.
I've linked to proof that every team uses analytics and consensus decision-making.. but you have consistently not responded to those at all.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Well, I'm pretty sure Shannon Sharpe and Herm Edwards said that Sashi and Depo were clueless because of lack of experience. I agree with them, and you don't. Neither opinions are "ignorant" and you don't have to throw names just because you don't agree with my opinion. You should at least hear out someone's full argument without telling them to "shutup" calling them ignorant, clueless, or generalizing them. Criticism is a part of doing the job. If YOU have a job, you're evaluated and analyzed to make sure you're doing a good job. Apparently according to you, we just need to shutup, and not evaluate or analyze anything Sashi does. Jimmy shouldn't either. He should just keep this FO and coaching staff together another year without making one change. If they finish 0-16 this year, and go 0-16 next year, and Hue and Sashi are 1-47 together, then I guess maybe we should finally start to analyze, evaluate, or have constructive criticism against their decisions. But till then, you're saying we should fully bet on Sashi gambling, because he knows best without someone who actually knows how to evaluate a quarterback here. And TexasAG is correct, name the reputable "football guys" we have on the team.
War, I'm up for believeing the plan still has viability, and there's still an opportunity for turning things around, and in a process where you tear down an entire team and begin constructing it from 0, you'd say that it is logical to have a 1-15 season. Okay.
But in a process where you start building from 0, after two offseason where you could use two drafts and free agencies, if you are in midseason 0-8, and you have a 80% of the fans not believeing that you can't pull out even 4 wins in the next coming 8 games (see the You Decide Week 10 thread), well, by the looks we're not getting so much better (at least in the wins' number, which evaluates teams in every sport), or not as better as ANYONE, even this FO, would expect.
Therefore, some criticism will come, as everyone expects in one of the most popular sports in the world. Everyone is in the spotlight. And if the public face, the head of the so called process which is performing worse than anyone expected, are people whose major achievements have been reached in fields not related to the sport they are currently in, well, there's that to doubt about.
First thing everyone looks when someone is underperforming in his job is look if he has the qualification to do that job. And the info that arrives to us is I believe a very low percentage of the work that takes place in the facility, both coaching and FO, so we don't know who is really taking the decisions, or at least we can't know which is the entire protocol that is followed to take a decision (they are asked to do their job, not to explain every aspect of it), so there are three options.
1. There's well prepared staff, with a huge football background and experience, but they have failed in some key decisions that the FO heads have to cope with.
2. There's well prepared staff, with a huge football background and experience, which are not listened by Sashi in the decision-making.
3. There's bad prepared staff.
Someone must be responsible. You don't go 1-23 just by bad luck.
there are three options.
1. There's well prepared staff, with a huge football background and experience, but they have failed in some key decisions that the FO heads have to cope with.
2. There's well prepared staff, with a huge football background and experience, which are not listened by Sashi in the decision-making.
3. There's bad prepared staff.
Someone must be responsible. You don't go 1-23 just by bad luck.
This entire post assumes
1) a person is responsible. Wrong. I've linked to proof that the NFL doesn't function this way.. it's ALL consensus decision-making.
2) There is a sequence of decisions that, had a different conclusion been made, endless riches would result. Wrong. The team sucks - get over it.
We had a team run by football guys making football decisions for decades.. and the people already fired from the FO and coaching staff are responsible. Your lack of understanding of how awful "football decisions" are is the thing creating an unrealistic expectation of winning immediately... and then measuring the current staff against your unrealistic expectation.
"Football Decisions" - of course, are bad decisions. It's nothing more than a term invented to cover up a lack of actual knowledge.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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