The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread
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One or the other has to change. He's a losing coach and is holding the team back.
I dunno. I said when they hired him they couldn't even start evaluation till last eight games of year 2, unless he loses the locker room. And as of now he hasn't. It's quite rediculous that coaches don't get more than 2 seasons in Cleveland let alone 2 seasons when they having to build it right. (Tear down all the trail mix).
Honestly I think it would set this team even further behind to clean house now than to deal with everyone for one more year.
IMO getting to the point where old personnel is being deemed more believable than the organization it's self. Browns show they can't get outta their own way with 90% of their firings since Haslem showed up.
I dunno. I said when they hired him they couldn't even start evaluation till last eight games of year 2, unless he loses the locker room. And as of now he hasn't. It's quite rediculous that coaches don't get more than 2 seasons in Cleveland let alone 2 seasons when they having to build it right. (Tear down all the trail mix).
Honestly I think it would set this team even further behind to clean house now than to deal with everyone for one more year.
IMO getting to the point where old personnel is being deemed more believable than the organization it's self. Browns show they can't get outta their own way with 90% of their firings since Haslem showed up.
But other coaches haven't been losing at record levels when we got rid of them. This one is and he is still making the same mistakes over and over again in clock management and wasted time outs. 1-24 and 2-30 don't happen by accident or bad luck. Sometimes a guy is just a bad head coach. Again it doesn't have to be a total house cleaning. Leave the front office, they've made some mistakes but there is some talent on the team but I think the head coach is part of the problem and is bringing the team down on game day. I want to believe in the process and I think it might have a chance of succeeding quite possibly, but not with the current head coach.
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I dunno. I said when they hired him they couldn't even start evaluation till last eight games of year 2, unless he loses the locker room. And as of now he hasn't. It's quite rediculous that coaches don't get more than 2 seasons in Cleveland let alone 2 seasons when they having to build it right. (Tear down all the trail mix).
Honestly I think it would set this team even further behind to clean house now than to deal with everyone for one more year.
IMO getting to the point where old personnel is being deemed more believable than the organization it's self. Browns show they can't get outta their own way with 90% of their firings since Haslem showed up.
But other coaches haven't been losing at record levels when we got rid of them. This one is and he is still making the same mistakes over and over again in clock management and wasted time outs. 1-24 and 2-30 don't happen by accident or bad luck. Sometimes a guy is just a bad head coach. Again it doesn't have to be a total house cleaning. Leave the front office, they've made some mistakes but there is some talent on the team but I think the head coach is part of the problem and is bringing the team down on game day. I want to believe in the process and I think it might have a chance of succeeding quite possibly, but not with the current head coach.
But other coaches haven't been losing at record levels when we got rid of them. This one is and he is still making the same mistakes over and over again in clock management and wasted time outs. 1-24 and 2-30 don't happen by accident or bad luck. Sometimes a guy is just a bad head coach. Again it doesn't have to be a total house cleaning. Leave the front office, they've made some mistakes but there is some talent on the team but I think the head coach is part of the problem and is bringing the team down on game day. I want to believe in the process and I think it might have a chance of succeeding quite possibly, but not with the current head coach.
definitely if the current thing continues and hue doesn't have an OC. He clearly is inept at doing both.
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The NY Giants are 1-8 with their 2nd year HC Ben McAdoo.
Anyone willing to wager that WON’T get shitcanned at the end of the season?
I say he’s as good as gone...any takers?
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
The NY Giants are 1-8 with their 2nd year HC Ben McAdoo.
Anyone willing to wager that WON’T get shitcanned at the end of the season?
I say he’s as good as gone...any takers?
The NY Giants are 1-8 with their 2nd year HC Ben McAdoo.
Anyone willing to wager that WON’T get shitcanned at the end of the season?
I say he’s as good as gone...any takers?
He's a dead man walking already.
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The NY Giants are 1-8 with their 2nd year HC Ben McAdoo.
Anyone willing to wager that WON’T get shitcanned at the end of the season?
I say he’s as good as gone...any takers?
The NY Giants are 1-8 with their 2nd year HC Ben McAdoo.
Anyone willing to wager that WON’T get shitcanned at the end of the season?
I say he’s as good as gone...any takers?
they should at least keep him for 3 more years so they can test out their "process", losing obviously has to be a part of it.
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One or the other has to change. He's a losing coach and is holding the team back.
I dunno. I said when they hired him they couldn't even start evaluation till last eight games of year 2, unless he loses the locker room. And as of now he hasn't. It's quite rediculous that coaches don't get more than 2 seasons in Cleveland let alone 2 seasons when they having to build it right. (Tear down all the trail mix).
Honestly I think it would set this team even further behind to clean house now than to deal with everyone for one more year.
IMO getting to the point where old personnel is being deemed more believable than the organization it's self. Browns show they can't get outta their own way with 90% of their firings since Haslem showed up.
I dunno. I said when they hired him they couldn't even start evaluation till last eight games of year 2, unless he loses the locker room. And as of now he hasn't. It's quite ridiculous that coaches don't get more than 2 seasons in Cleveland let alone 2 seasons when they having to build it right. (Tear down all the trail mix).
Honestly I think it would set this team even further behind to clean house now than to deal with everyone for one more year.
IMO getting to the point where old personnel is being deemed more believable than the organization it's self. Browns show they can't get outta their own way with 90% of their firings since Haslem showed up.
Unless Kizer shows miraculous levels of improvement the last 7 games, we're drafting another QB HIGH in the first round next year. The pick absolutely can't be screwed up. After the RG III, Kessler, McCarron fiascos- I don't know who to trust anymore. If they were "all in" donating a 2nd and 3rd to the Bengals for AJ- I'd say none of 'em.
MHO? 2-14 or worse, somebody is walking the plank for this disaster. They won't get an entire 3rd season if the doo-doo continues into 2018- even if Jimmy shows some uncharacteristic restraint. No owner is going to tolerate 3-37.
The reasonable expectation in year two of a rebuild was at least 2-7, maybe even 3-6 at this point. You are what your record says you are- and that's historically bad.
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The NY Giants are 1-8 with their 2nd year HC Ben McAdoo.
Anyone willing to wager that WON’T get shitcanned at the end of the season?
I say he’s as good as gone...any takers?
they should at least keep him for 3 more years so they can test out their "process", losing obviously has to be a part of it.
they should at least keep him (Giants coach)Fer sure, then you dump for 3 more years so they can test out their "process", losing obviously has to be a part of it.
Yup. dump Eli Manning, Jenkins, and Cromartie- and tear it down to the studs.
the Browns took it a couple steps farther. Bulldoze what was left, and then dynamite the foundation.
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I am interested in seeing Davis Webb play. He was an interesting project and supposedly works harder than anyone in the building.
McAdoo is surely gone. Word is he the players absolutely hate him.
I read a book by Nate Jackson (I think that's correct) about life as an NFL scrub. And he said the difference between Denver and Cleveland was night and day. This was Mangini's stint. He'd ask veterans on the team about the playbook, and concepts or schemes to try and get up to speed... and he said they just looked at him like "I have no f'n clue wtf we're doing" Said Mangini would grill people on the spot anywhere in the building about Browns culture, and if they got it wrong it'd be extra running, or fines or something. He said it was just miserable and the whole team just seemed crushed. It was a pretty interesting read. Also talked about how almost all of them smoke weed, but that's more of an IQ test instead of a drug test, but if you fail it, it means you have multiple problems. LOL
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I am interested in seeing Davis Webb play. He was an interesting project and supposedly works harder than anyone in the building.
McAdoo is surely gone. Word is he the players absolutely hate him.
I read a book by Nate Jackson (I think that's correct) about life as an NFL scrub. And he said the difference between Denver and Cleveland was night and day. This was Mangini's stint. He'd ask veterans on the team about the playbook, and concepts or schemes to try and get up to speed... and he said they just looked at him like "I have no f'n clue wtf we're doing" Said Mangini would grill people on the spot anywhere in the building about Browns culture, and if they got it wrong it'd be extra running, or fines or something. He said it was just miserable and the whole team just seemed crushed. It was a pretty interesting read. Also talked about how almost all of them smoke weed, but that's more of an IQ test instead of a drug test, but if you fail it, it means you have multiple problems. LOL
I am interested in seeing Davis Webb play. He was an interesting project and supposedly works harder than anyone in the building.
McAdoo is surely gone. Word is he the players absolutely hate him.
I read a book by Nate Jackson (I think that's correct) about life as an NFL scrub. And he said the difference between Denver and Cleveland was night and day. This was Mangini's stint. He'd ask veterans on the team about the playbook, and concepts or schemes to try and get up to speed... and he said they just looked at him like "I have no f'n clue wtf we're doing" Said Mangini would grill people on the spot anywhere in the building about Browns culture, and if they got it wrong it'd be extra running, or fines or something. He said it was just miserable and the whole team just seemed crushed. It was a pretty interesting read. Also talked about how almost all of them smoke weed, but that's more of an IQ test instead of a drug test, but if you fail it, it means you have multiple problems. LOL
The revisionist history I've seen on here regarding Eric Mangini is surprising to say the least.
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Astros didn't "sign" verlander. They traded from their incredibly deep farm system which took years to develop, hence the 3 years of 100+ losses and trading away most of their veterans. Not to mention, all the young players developed together under one system and when the time was right to add veteran players such as Beltran, McCann and Verlander they had the depth and financial flexibility to sign or trade for whomever they wanted. Another team utilized the same exact philosophy a few years ago, they were called the Chicago Cubs. Hmmm..this process sounds eerily similar to what the Browns have SAID THEY ARE DOING FOR THE LAST 1.5 YEARS!!!!!! Yes, FB and Baseball are different sports, but the metrics themselves are fairly similar. The Browns aren't going to get stud players in every round they draft. But what they want are very good quality players to support and occasionally play at high levels. This is what you are seeing in guys like Nassib, Schobert, Kirksey, Calhoun, etc. They are not stars but they are showing very good potential once stars are added ie Garrett, Collins.
Adam Berry is the talent evaluator, technically. Personally, I think he has done an excellent job. The "overall talent on this roster is significantly better than it was in the past 4 years. Everyone complains about the WR misses, but this is exactly why the browns have lots of draft picks. So when they miss, and every franchise does, it isn't a franchise killer. The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue. He was brought in here to evaluate the qb's. The team has said that numerous times, that his opinion is the deciding factor. Yes, you could argue that the 1-23 record over the last 2 years as an indicator for not having talent on the roster. But Hue has blown least 3 games this year alone due to play calling and game management. This argument is completely different if the browns are 3-5 vs 0-8.
I do feel they need one final person in the room to make the decision. A Football guy so to speak whether it is manning or the guy from Carolina, I don't know the right answer. I think it would help break the tie but most importantly it would STOP THE HASLAMS FROM MEDDLING!! this is the biggest issue. Jimmah and Dee can not and should not have any say in who is on this fb team (outside of personal conduct stuff). PERIOD. If they fire this regime, it is the same old crap once again and they still don't realize they are part of the problem.
Astros didn't "sign" verlander. They traded from their incredibly deep farm system which took years to develop, hence the 3 years of 100+ losses and trading away most of their veterans. Not to mention, all the young players developed together under one system and when the time was right to add veteran players such as Beltran, McCann and Verlander they had the depth and financial flexibility to sign or trade for whomever they wanted. Another team utilized the same exact philosophy a few years ago, they were called the Chicago Cubs. Hmmm..this process sounds eerily similar to what the Browns have SAID THEY ARE DOING FOR THE LAST 1.5 YEARS!!!!!! Yes, FB and Baseball are different sports, but the metrics themselves are fairly similar. The Browns aren't going to get stud players in every round they draft. But what they want are very good quality players to support and occasionally play at high levels. This is what you are seeing in guys like Nassib, Schobert, Kirksey, Calhoun, etc. They are not stars but they are showing very good potential once stars are added ie Garrett, Collins.
Adam Berry is the talent evaluator, technically. Personally, I think he has done an excellent job. The "overall talent on this roster is significantly better than it was in the past 4 years. Everyone complains about the WR misses, but this is exactly why the browns have lots of draft picks. So when they miss, and every franchise does, it isn't a franchise killer. The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue. He was brought in here to evaluate the qb's. The team has said that numerous times, that his opinion is the deciding factor. Yes, you could argue that the 1-23 record over the last 2 years as an indicator for not having talent on the roster. But Hue has blown least 3 games this year alone due to play calling and game management. This argument is completely different if the browns are 3-5 vs 0-8.
I do feel they need one final person in the room to make the decision. A Football guy so to speak whether it is manning or the guy from Carolina, I don't know the right answer. I think it would help break the tie but most importantly it would STOP THE HASLAMS FROM MEDDLING!! this is the biggest issue. Jimmah and Dee can not and should not have any say in who is on this fb team (outside of personal conduct stuff). PERIOD. If they fire this regime, it is the same old crap once again and they still don't realize they are part of the problem.
Post. Of. The. Year.
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I'm going to quote Vince Lombardi
Once you accept losing, you can never win.
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I just don't see qb talent in this draft any better than Kiser. No franchise in football would give up on Kiser after 9 games. If he plays like he has last 2 games. Browns will win a few games and Kiser will be good to go next year.
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I just don't see qb talent in this draft any better than Kiser. No franchise in football would give up on Kiser after 9 games. If he plays like he has last 2 games. Browns will win a few games and Kiser will be good to go next year.
I just don't see qb talent in this draft any better than Kiser. No franchise in football would give up on Kiser after 9 games. If he plays like he has last 2 games. Browns will win a few games and Kiser will be good to go next year.
Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
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I just don't see qb talent in this draft any better than Kiser. No franchise in football would give up on Kiser after 9 games. If he plays like he has last 2 games. Browns will win a few games and Kiser will be good to go next year.
Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
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Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
It was something that ESPN said last year and that's where Gipper gets his information.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Interesting. While I do not discount your opinion, I would like to see what some of the so called "professionals" would think about your suggestion....that Kizer is as good or better than anyone coming out this next draft. Particularly considering that some have said they think this could be the best QB draft since like the 1983 draft....or at least 2004.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
cdl15 made the suggestion in like 3 posts above. Didn't you read that?
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Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
It was something that ESPN said last year and that's where Gipper gets his information.
It was something that ESPN said last year and that's where Gipper gets his information.
And you get your information directly tubed into your sphincter from aliens?
Or, if not there, where do you get your info? Do you have no job and are independently wealthy such that you can go around to all the NFL camps and get inside information on all NFL teams? Does God come to you and give you your information in visions?
I get my info from all the sources that all fans get their info: watching TV, ESPN, Fox sports. Newspapers, websites etc.
And, as I said....the proposition that A. Kizer is better than anyone coming out....came from the above comment by CDL15 The proposition that this next draft class of QB maybe the best since forever came from....well.....everywhere and everyone.
You are welcome to disagree with all of that.....and you are welcome to identify the sources of your information that leads to your belief. But, I doubt that you really have any different or better sources than any of the rest of us.
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Where did you read that? I guess I am not seeing that. None of these guys have jumped in front of the pack to this point. Darnold has a ton of hype but that seems to have cooled. Coupled with him talking about staying another year.
Has anybody eyeballed Rosen? Allen has been pretty ‘meh’ in the 3 games of him I have watched. Big arm and accuracy issues. Please not that show again.
cdl15 made the suggestion in like 3 posts above. Didn't you read that?
cdl15 made the suggestion in like 3 posts above. Didn't you read that?
Sometimes I just skim and must have missed it. Have you (or anyone else) watched Rosen so far this year? I haven’t seen much PAC 12 outside of some USC games.
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Rosen and Darnold are the two best I have watched this year. But Rosen has absolutely nothing for a defense so he's always under pressure to score every time they have the ball. They play this Sat. against one another and I think it would be well worth recording for any Browns fan to watch in detail. ABC TV 800 pm eastern.
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I haven't seen a lot from Rosen or Darnold. A bit here, a bit there. Rosen has looked better than Darnold in what I have seen.
I have seen a bit of Rudolph...and he has looked good. He has the same problem as Rosen.......he puts 52 points up...and the team loses by 10!!
And last week vs. Iowa St. he has to put up 49 to win. the other team scoring 42.
In fact, these are the points he has put up this year:
59, 44, 59, 31, 41, 59, 50, 52, 49....and 13! (but...they won that game...13-10 over Texas)
For Rosen...it is somewhat similar.....he has put up 45, 56, 45, 34, 27, 30, 31, 23, 17, 44.
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