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  • I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

  • I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

    @thenew23 said:

    I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

     And the fact they liked Goff tells me all I need to know about their ability to evaluate QBs.  They just haven't (like every other regime before them) pulled the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft.  This year... it will be time to take a shot...

  • @thenew23 said:

    I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

     And the fact they liked Goff tells me all I need to know about their ability to evaluate QBs.  They just haven't (like every other regime before them) pulled the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft.  This year... it will be time to take a shot...

    @thenew23 said:

     And the fact they liked Goff tells me all I need to know about their ability to evaluate QBs.  They just haven't (like every other regime before them) pulled the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft.  This year... it will be time to take a shot...

    Especially when it doesn't appear that there is a non-QB who is going to be a consensus #1 type pick. (As of today)

  • I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

    @thenew23 said:

    I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

    I've been on the record as saying that the front office should not be canned after this year but that being said, every draft is viewed using hindsight.  You evaluate how it went 2-4 years after they take place.  That's why it's the front office's job to scout, review the roster and make calculated decisions based on all available information in order to maximize the benefit of the draft.  If you choose not to draft Wentz or Watson when QB is a glaring need you hope that guys you draft prove to be better than what you passed on.  I agree that you can't hold Dak Prescott against the Browns front office but clearly the Eagles needed a QB and moved into the Browns spot to draft him #2.  Another front office evaluated Wentz and to this point he appears to be a franchise QB.

  • @thenew23 said:

    I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

    I've been on the record as saying that the front office should not be canned after this year but that being said, every draft is viewed using hindsight.  You evaluate how it went 2-4 years after they take place.  That's why it's the front office's job to scout, review the roster and make calculated decisions based on all available information in order to maximize the benefit of the draft.  If you choose not to draft Wentz or Watson when QB is a glaring need you hope that guys you draft prove to be better than what you passed on.  I agree that you can't hold Dak Prescott against the Browns front office but clearly the Eagles needed a QB and moved into the Browns spot to draft him #2.  Another front office evaluated Wentz and to this point he appears to be a franchise QB.

    @baconhound said:

      I agree that you can't hold Dak Prescott against the Browns front office but clearly the Eagles needed a QB and moved into the Browns spot to draft him #2.  Another front office evaluated Wentz and to this point he appears to be a franchise QB.

    I know you have a typo there and did not mean to say Dak Prescott. But I do have an issue with the FO not taking Prescott and said he was a franchise maker from the beginning. I also wanted the Browns to take Watson, but only after they took Garrett.

    So in my mind this FO f'd up the QB not once, but twice. They need help in picking just as much as Hue needs game day management help. Neither one (FO and /or HC)  knows how to pick the right player when they are there for the taking at the QB position. Or if one of them knew but got overruled then fire the one(s) who overruled. Those were two big misses that even an amateur like me (and Tour at least on Prescott) could see well before the draft took place. And how they could take a 5th rounder like Kessler in the 3rd when Dak was sitting right there is unforgivable. Their due diligence research could have told them Dak's little run-in with DUI (which later did not hold up in court) was a one time thing even if it was real. That is what a good FO is supposed to be best at doing.

    This year I see the best as Darnold and Rosen with the showdown this Saturday being the deciding factor. Allen I have now seen on multiple occasions and think he's career backup (if that). I have not really seen a full game from Lamar Jackson yet but plan to watch his game against Kentucky. I want to see the accurate arm and the progressions that I see in Darnold and Rosen.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Where the phuck did I ever say, "The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue." ????????????

    We will simply never agree on the "football guy". Installing a final say is the same as blowing up the whole thing.

    Tour, Bigalow80 said the first phrase, not you, must of been an error when quoting.

    In my eyes, as a group making decisions, what would be wrong with one more guy who has an eye for talent?

    Ag... watch/record UVA vs. Miami Saturday. I am pretty sure I have my darkhorse for 2018, but I have a streak to protect.

    Darnold? Rosen? Still lean Rosen, but I'm starting to get bad vibes on both. A lil Leinart feel for the former and Leaf feel for the latter. Looking forward to their match up.

    Still haven't seen Allen. Jackson? Kid could be the Russell Wilson of this draft.

    Really disagree on our FO... but you probably could have guessed that... 😉

    @stillmotion said:

    Tour, Bigalow80 said the first phrase, not you, must of been an error when quoting.

    In my eyes, as a group making decisions, what would be wrong with one more guy who has an eye for talent?

    Correction noted... I and my sanity thank you.

    One more guy over "the concensus process" destroys the process. It's that simple. It's the Holmgren/Farmer/Chuckles/Moleface way one more time. It's not as if any one guy evaluates every prospect. None can... no one person can. Every "great" GM has hot and cold streaks. The best GM's build scouting... and analytics... staffs as well or better than they do rosters. That is how they sustain excellence. That is at the heart of what Sashi & Co are doing. That is Sashi's focus... it has to be since he is not a football guy. His total focus is the process.

    I do not know of another example of this FO's approach. I do not know if it will work, I just know it can work... but only without the installation of a football guy.

    Reminds me that I owe D bone a post....

  • I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

    @thenew23 said:

    I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

    @thenew23 said:

     And the fact they liked Goff tells me all I need to know about their ability to evaluate QBs.  They just haven't (like every other regime before them) pulled the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft.  This year... it will be time to take a shot...

    BOOM! Glad you split into two posts so I could give you two points...

    Last point of first quoted bit first... here is what a title search for "Camp Watson" produced...

    Kinda makes your "hindsight" point for you. I guess we can be thankful that the Camps Trubs and Mahommes crowds have no foundation as yet.

    Interesting thing about both Wentz and Watson... trade offers made it more of question of whether we believed in either enough to spend two high picks on either one. Minus the offers I am not sure we would have passed on either, but the offers came and we passed.

    Had we landed Goff and he posted the year he did in 2016 in CLE, the din here would have been mindblowing. And as much as I was in Camp Goff, the price of making sure we got him made me nervous.

    Many a player I wanted, especially QBs, in the end got simply too expensive to land. No better example than Tannehill.

  • @tour2ma said:

    lol... getting a lil frayed here... sorry if I throw undeserved testy your way from time to time.

    Part of the beauty of the process is that decisions are not easy. Picking Wheezy was "easy"... ditto for JFF... living with results of those picks was not. The goal, our goal, Sashi's goal, is to continuously increase the quality of the decisions the process produces.

    Never any worries T, as I take nothing personal and the Browns could even make Gandhi irate....

    Give me your opinion on the following regarding a player acquisition: 

    FO Dude 1: I Love him! (Sashi)

    FO Dude 2: I hate him! (Hue)

    FO Dude 3: Whatever (Dude)

    FO Dude 4: He's pretty good (Dude)

    FO Dude 5: He's not very good (Dude) 

    ^ Extreme example I know, and I also know that if this was my friends and me, we would probably just play rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock..... but what do you think happens in this case? I'm guessing that the Browns would sign him since Sashi loves him? 

    @d-bone said:

    Give me your opinion on the following regarding a player acquisition: 

    ^ Extreme example I know, and I also know that if this was my friends and me, we would probably just play rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock..... but what do you think happens in this case? I'm guessing that the Browns would sign him since Sashi loves him? 

    @tour2ma said:

    Just lost a growing write up... too late too tired to restart it now. See ya in the AM... but a partial preview is in the strikethru above and these links...

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/front-office.html

     http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.html

    Now the challenge is to remember my approach from two nites ago... hmmmmm.

    First... modify your example a bit. Second... Fire your Dude #3 as these guys are paid to have opinions

    And..... F U C K.... did it again...

    I need an "Undo" button... badly....

    have to take this offline to a word program... back later...

  • @thenew23 said:

    I just dont get it.

    2016- the FO LOVED Goff, but he was taken before we could get him.  Wentz was more risky and for a rebuild it was clear-as-day the trade down would be best for the organization... long term.  As of today, I think Goff will be the better pro.

    2017- Garrett was a no-brainer.  When we traded down from 12, MOST people were upset we didn't pick the S from OSU, not Watson.  Actually, I cant recall anybody clamoring for Watson and he seemed like somewhat a risky pick for the Texans.

    Those are not egregious errors, if you are honest and NOT just using hindsight to evaluate those decisions...

    @thenew23 said:

     And the fact they liked Goff tells me all I need to know about their ability to evaluate QBs.  They just haven't (like every other regime before them) pulled the trigger on a QB at the top of the draft.  This year... it will be time to take a shot...

    BOOM! Glad you split into two posts so I could give you two points...

    Last point of first quoted bit first... here is what a title search for "Camp Watson" produced...

    Kinda makes your "hindsight" point for you. I guess we can be thankful that the Camps Trubs and Mahommes crowds have no foundation as yet.

    Interesting thing about both Wentz and Watson... trade offers made it more of question of whether we believed in either enough to spend two high picks on either one. Minus the offers I am not sure we would have passed on either, but the offers came and we passed.

    Had we landed Goff and he posted the year he did in 2016 in CLE, the din here would have been mindblowing. And as much as I was in Camp Goff, the price of making sure we got him made me nervous.

    Many a player I wanted, especially QBs, in the end got simply too expensive to land. No better example than Tannehill.

    @tour2ma said:

    Had we landed Goff and he posted the year he did in CLE in 2016, the din here would have been mindblowing. 

    Oh God cant you just imagine the Sashi can’t evaluate QB he’s a lawyer comments

    It may have even surpassed the current tide of comments

  • @mark-o said:

    Well with the Giants being butt raped by the 49ers....we are very nearly on the clock for the #1 overall pick. 

    Mason Rudolph?

    @the-gipper said:

    Mason Rudolph?

    That's the red neck pronunciation of My Son - Ma Son.

    Anyway, it remains tough to translate Big 12 stats based on the lack of defense in that conference.  Then again, this lack of defense seems to go viral all over college football when Ohio State gives up over 50 points to Iowa.  The Syracuse team that beat Clemson gave up 64 points to Wake Forest while GA didn't look like they played very much defense vrs Auburn.

    It looks like Ma Son has a great frame, strong arm and plenty of TD passes and yardage on the resume.  I just wonder how much de-programming his first NFL team needs to do.  Prevention always seems easier than intervention, which adds to the challenge of finding the right QB for our situation.

    As fun as it is to watch Baker Mayfield, I don't know if he has a great chance in today's game. To say such a thing, I remember Drew Brees struggling so bad in his 3rd NFL season - that the Chargers used their 1st overall pick the next year on a QB. The rookie QB held out the length of camp and Brees had his first of many Pro Bowl seasons leading SD to a 12-4 record.  

  • Ag... watch/record UVA vs. Miami Saturday. I am pretty sure I have my darkhorse for 2018, but I have a streak to protect.

    Darnold? Rosen? Still lean Rosen, but I'm starting to get bad vibes on both. A lil Leinart feel for the former and Leaf feel for the latter. Looking forward to their match up.

    Still haven't seen Allen. Jackson? Kid could be the Russell Wilson of this draft.

    Really disagree on our FO... but you probably could have guessed that... 😉

    @stillmotion said:

    Tour, Bigalow80 said the first phrase, not you, must of been an error when quoting.

    In my eyes, as a group making decisions, what would be wrong with one more guy who has an eye for talent?

    Correction noted... I and my sanity thank you.

    One more guy over "the concensus process" destroys the process. It's that simple. It's the Holmgren/Farmer/Chuckles/Moleface way one more time. It's not as if any one guy evaluates every prospect. None can... no one person can. Every "great" GM has hot and cold streaks. The best GM's build scouting... and analytics... staffs as well or better than they do rosters. That is how they sustain excellence. That is at the heart of what Sashi & Co are doing. That is Sashi's focus... it has to be since he is not a football guy. His total focus is the process.

    I do not know of another example of this FO's approach. I do not know if it will work, I just know it can work... but only without the installation of a football guy.

    Reminds me that I owe D bone a post....

    @tour2ma said:

    Ag... watch/record UVA vs. Miami Saturday. I am pretty sure I have my darkhorse for 2018, but I have a streak to protect.

    Darnold? Rosen? Still lean Rosen, but I'm starting to get bad vibes on both. A lil Leinart feel for the former and Leaf feel for the latter. Looking forward to their match up.

    Still haven't seen Allen. Jackson? Kid could be the Russell Wilson of this draft.

    Im not convinced on any of them.   Figure that one of them has to be great right? 

  • @d-bone said:

    Give me your opinion on the following regarding a player acquisition: 

    ^ Extreme example I know, and I also know that if this was my friends and me, we would probably just play rock, paper, scissors, lizard, spock..... but what do you think happens in this case? I'm guessing that the Browns would sign him since Sashi loves him? 

    @tour2ma said:

    Just lost a growing write up... too late too tired to restart it now. See ya in the AM... but a partial preview is in the strikethru above and these links...

    http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/front-office.html

     http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/coaches.html

    Now the challenge is to remember my approach from two nites ago... hmmmmm.

    First... modify your example a bit. Second... Fire your Dude #3 as these guys are paid to have opinions

    And..... F U C K.... did it again...

    I need an "Undo" button... badly....

    have to take this offline to a word program... back later...

    @tour2ma said:

    Now the challenge is to remember my approach from two nites ago... hmmmmm.

    First... modify your example a bit. Second... Fire your Dude #3 as these guys are paid to have opinions

    And..... F U C K.... did it again...

    I need an "Undo" button... badly....

    have to take this offline to a word program... back later...

    The images running through my mind are awesome! 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Ag... watch/record UVA vs. Miami Saturday. I am pretty sure I have my darkhorse for 2018, but I have a streak to protect.

    Darnold? Rosen? Still lean Rosen, but I'm starting to get bad vibes on both. A lil Leinart feel for the former and Leaf feel for the latter. Looking forward to their match up.

    Still haven't seen Allen. Jackson? Kid could be the Russell Wilson of this draft.

    Im not convinced on any of them.   Figure that one of them has to be great right? 

    @mark-o said:

    Im not convinced on any of them.   Figure that one of them has to be great right? 

    In the entire QB class? Likely...

    Of the top 4? Dunno... haven't seen him yet.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Now the challenge is to remember my approach from two nites ago... hmmmmm.

    First... modify your example a bit. Second... Fire your Dude #3 as these guys are paid to have opinions

    And..... F U C K.... did it again...

    I need an "Undo" button... badly....

    have to take this offline to a word program... back later...

    The images running through my mind are awesome! 

    @d-bone said:

    The images running through my mind are awesome! 

    lol... I do have a book or two I could send you... 🙂

  • @d-bone said:

    The images running through my mind are awesome! 

    lol... I do have a book or two I could send you... 🙂

    @tour2ma said:

    lol... I do have a book or two I could send you... 🙂

    Thanks, but none of the other 13 have helped so far......... 

  • Ag... watch/record UVA vs. Miami Saturday. I am pretty sure I have my darkhorse for 2018, but I have a streak to protect.

    Darnold? Rosen? Still lean Rosen, but I'm starting to get bad vibes on both. A lil Leinart feel for the former and Leaf feel for the latter. Looking forward to their match up.

    Still haven't seen Allen. Jackson? Kid could be the Russell Wilson of this draft.

    Really disagree on our FO... but you probably could have guessed that... 😉

    @stillmotion said:

    Tour, Bigalow80 said the first phrase, not you, must of been an error when quoting.

    In my eyes, as a group making decisions, what would be wrong with one more guy who has an eye for talent?

    Correction noted... I and my sanity thank you.

    One more guy over "the concensus process" destroys the process. It's that simple. It's the Holmgren/Farmer/Chuckles/Moleface way one more time. It's not as if any one guy evaluates every prospect. None can... no one person can. Every "great" GM has hot and cold streaks. The best GM's build scouting... and analytics... staffs as well or better than they do rosters. That is how they sustain excellence. That is at the heart of what Sashi & Co are doing. That is Sashi's focus... it has to be since he is not a football guy. His total focus is the process.

    I do not know of another example of this FO's approach. I do not know if it will work, I just know it can work... but only without the installation of a football guy.

    Reminds me that I owe D bone a post....

    @tour2ma said:

    Ag... watch/record UVA vs. Miami Saturday. I am pretty sure I have my darkhorse for 2018, but I have a streak to protect.

    Darnold? Rosen? Still lean Rosen, but I'm starting to get bad vibes on both. A lil Leinart feel for the former and Leaf feel for the latter. Looking forward to their match up.

    Still haven't seen Allen. Jackson? Kid could be the Russell Wilson of this draft.

    Really disagree on our FO... but you probably could have guessed that... 😉

    Correction noted... I and my sanity thank you.

    One more guy over "the concensus process" destroys the process. It's that simple. It's the Holmgren/Farmer/Chuckles/Moleface way one more time. It's not as if any one guy evaluates every prospect. None can... no one person can. Every "great" GM has hot and cold streaks. The best GM's build scouting... and analytics... staffs as well or better than they do rosters. That is how they sustain excellence. That is at the heart of what Sashi & Co are doing. That is Sashi's focus... it has to be since he is not a football guy. His total focus is the process.

    I do not know of another example of this FO's approach. I do not know if it will work, I just know it can work... but only without the installation of a football guy.

    Reminds me that I owe D bone a post....

    I'm not saying bring someone in with the title "GM", I'd just say to toss in someone like manning to help with football operations. If we want, we can still give Sashi the final say, but let him handle most of the talent evaluation. In my opinion we've hit on some prospects but fell so flat on quarterback it's ridiculous. Again this is just my two cents. I admire Sashi's confidence, but admit I'm slightly afraid of it at times and I detest Hue's overconfidence.

  • Where the phuck did I ever say, "The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue." ????????????

    We will simply never agree on the "football guy". Installing a final say is the same as blowing up the whole thing.

    @tour2ma said:

    Where the phuck did I ever say, "The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue." ????????????

    We will simply never agree on the "football guy". Installing a final say is the same as blowing up the whole thing.

    Well, I'll wait and let you tell me how the "consensus" decided it was a good idea to offer the Bengals second and third round picks for AJ McDonald's. Love the Android auto correct.

    Another blunder saved by the Bell from the gang that can't shoot straight.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Where the phuck did I ever say, "The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue." ????????????

    We will simply never agree on the "football guy". Installing a final say is the same as blowing up the whole thing.

    Well, I'll wait and let you tell me how the "consensus" decided it was a good idea to offer the Bengals second and third round picks for AJ McDonald's. Love the Android auto correct.

    Another blunder saved by the Bell from the gang that can't shoot straight.

    @hoorta said:

    Well, I'll wait and let you tell me how the "consensus" decided it was a good idea to offer the Bengals second and third round picks for AJ McDonald's. Love the Android auto correct.

    Another blunder saved by the Bell from the gang that can't shoot straight.

    I just don't get why we tried to trade back for Pryor......

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/browns-reportedly-tried-to-get-terrelle-pryor-back-via-trade-with-redskins/

  • @tour2ma said:

    Ag... watch/record UVA vs. Miami Saturday. I am pretty sure I have my darkhorse for 2018, but I have a streak to protect.

    Darnold? Rosen? Still lean Rosen, but I'm starting to get bad vibes on both. A lil Leinart feel for the former and Leaf feel for the latter. Looking forward to their match up.

    Still haven't seen Allen. Jackson? Kid could be the Russell Wilson of this draft.

    Really disagree on our FO... but you probably could have guessed that... 😉

    Correction noted... I and my sanity thank you.

    One more guy over "the concensus process" destroys the process. It's that simple. It's the Holmgren/Farmer/Chuckles/Moleface way one more time. It's not as if any one guy evaluates every prospect. None can... no one person can. Every "great" GM has hot and cold streaks. The best GM's build scouting... and analytics... staffs as well or better than they do rosters. That is how they sustain excellence. That is at the heart of what Sashi & Co are doing. That is Sashi's focus... it has to be since he is not a football guy. His total focus is the process.

    I do not know of another example of this FO's approach. I do not know if it will work, I just know it can work... but only without the installation of a football guy.

    Reminds me that I owe D bone a post....

    I'm not saying bring someone in with the title "GM", I'd just say to toss in someone like manning to help with football operations. If we want, we can still give Sashi the final say, but let him handle most of the talent evaluation. In my opinion we've hit on some prospects but fell so flat on quarterback it's ridiculous. Again this is just my two cents. I admire Sashi's confidence, but admit I'm slightly afraid of it at times and I detest Hue's overconfidence.

    @stillmotion said:

    I'm not saying bring someone in with the title "GM", I'd just say to toss in someone like manning to help with football operations. If we want, we can still give Sashi the final say, but let him handle most of the talent evaluation. In my opinion we've hit on some prospects but fell so flat on quarterback it's ridiculous. Again this is just my two cents. I admire Sashi's confidence, but admit I'm slightly afraid of it at times and I detest Hue's overconfidence.

    I'm not sure you land a Manning or other "football guy" without giving them control... but if we can, then I'm good. Manning as a Special Consultant is something I've endorsed before. Install him to work with Scouting, Pro and College, to ID QB candidates to feed the consensus process.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Where the phuck did I ever say, "The biggest miss has been the Qb's but that falls directly on Hue." ????????????

    We will simply never agree on the "football guy". Installing a final say is the same as blowing up the whole thing.

    Well, I'll wait and let you tell me how the "consensus" decided it was a good idea to offer the Bengals second and third round picks for AJ McDonald's. Love the Android auto correct.

    Another blunder saved by the Bell from the gang that can't shoot straight.

    @hoorta said:

    Well, I'll wait and let you tell me how the "consensus" decided it was a good idea to offer the Bengals second and third round picks for AJ McDonald's. Love the Android auto correct.

    Another blunder saved by the Bell from the gang that can't shoot straight.

    Watch it, bud... you're talking about one of my darkhorses there. One, I might add, that has shown nothing but promise whenever he's been on the field.

    That said... I am on record as saying a 2nd + a 3rd was a bit rich for him... especially in light of his being an UFA at season's end.

    He'd be an interesting addition to our 2018 mix... certainly among the "best-of-the-rest" type FA I see behind Cousins.