An Honest Question: What is it about this FO....
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Yep-nobody can go 1-31 and have things remain status quo. Nobody. Would it bother me to see a new HC? Nope. He's one of the poorest gameday NFL coaches I've ever seen. Zero clock management skills. Zero. And as I've said multiple times, the sooner he insists on a quality OC the more likely he is to stay.
I don't think Hue has been set up for success by this front office, and an argument could be made that this was done on purpose. Not saying the FO has been trying to sabotage Hue, but winning NOW obviously isn't the top priority. I get this.
But Hue hasn't exactly helped himself either. He's made decisions that are just flat-out baffling at times.
I don't think Hue has been set up for success by this front office, and an argument could be made that this was done on purpose. Not saying the FO has been trying to sabotage Hue, but winning NOW obviously isn't the top priority. I get this.
But Hue hasn't exactly helped himself either. He's made decisions that are just flat-out baffling at times.
Hue said it's about winning- the aborted McCarron trade says so. Get ready for the Hoorta blow up.
Since you artfully framed the question to get either get the support you wanted or the ability to attack any who don't play along, first let me add this to your "set up"... I mean... premise.
If my hypothetical company had performed as the Browns have since '99 and I bought it in 2012 and tried to tinker around the edges for four years with no real hint of sustainable success, yes, I would stick with this management group, this organizational approach and with this plan for at least four years.
Now... "sticking with the plan" does not protect every single job in that management group, but the visible heads, the heads you want to see roll are all safe. Although in one case, Hue's case, his continued employment comes with strings attached... namely, as I have written before, with him reducing his distractions from being this franchise's HC. Could be adding an OC... could be adding a "bench coach". But some position has to be added to get him to focus on the team as a whole and his QB rearing in particular. He can continue to call plays, but when the D is on the field he stays focused on his young QB(s).
Sorry Tour. Jimmy tried something different- and it blew up in his face. Ag said it- and I agree, Hue is in over his head. You want my crystal ball? Mr. Nice Guy players coach Huless the Clueless gets canned for a Tom Coughlin clone. Shashi is toast in his current position.
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Of the 13 players you listed. About 3-4 if them would be starters on a good team.
FIRE THEM ALL JIMMY
Of the 13 players you listed. About 3-4 if them would be starters on a good team.
FIRE THEM ALL JIMMY
How about you name the ones who wouldn’t start for what teams, and the players that would start over them.
Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Garrett, Ogbah, McCourty and BBC would all start for almost any team in the league today. Peppers would start at SS for at least half of the team in the NFL. Coley would start for half the teams in the NFL
7 of those 9 were acquired by this FO.
3/5 of our starting offensive line would start for nearly every team in the NFL. The fourth would start for at least half the teams.
2 of those 4 were acquired by this FO.
That’s 9 easy starters right there.
Trying to make the argument that we haven’t added young, solid talent is stupid.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Pleading the 5th here. While I'm with many here that is frustrated as hell, I do see some young talent.
IF Peyton Manning is getting hired, as say the President of operations, he will interview these guys, and learn the philosophy or plan they (DePodesta, Sashi) speak of. At that point he may offer an alternative plan or suggestion to those two, or blow it up and can them both.
I'm of the belief Haslam does want Peyton here. He'd be the "football guy" so many are clamoring for. It may be a brilliant hire, or a PR move. Rest assured, Peyton doesn't want to suck.
My gut feeling is Sashi stays and they have him focus more on contract stuff. Hue stays as well, gets a nudge or 2 about delegating his OC duties.
IF Peyton Manning is getting hired, as say the President of operations, he will interview these guys, and learn the philosophy or plan they (DePodesta, Sashi)
First, I don't see Sashi being here if Manning were brought in.
Secondly, why is Peyton Manning qualified to be the President of a football team? Because he played QB? Is it his degree in Speech Communication? Or is it his commercial where he's playing a guitar wah-wah with his hands?
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Sooo you have no explanation. Got it. Thanks.
Meanwhile you assume firing everyone would work even though we have LOTS of history that it won't. So your arguments are just as absurd (and I would argue moreso) as you think mine are.
Yeah let's scrap the defense and have Garrett play LB in some crappy 3-4 next year. Great plan!
So you have no answer either. Thanks.
And you are a complete waste of sperm...
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This has been answered very thoroughly in several different places. Open your eyes and read. This thread is just a waste of board space.
Everywhere but the 1-25 football you want everyone to celebrate with you for some bizarre reason. Legally Blind's QB is leading the NFL in turnovers so thank God he's at least spoiled you rotten with 5 TD passes. Feel free to throw him a parade and report back what a terrific fan you are because of it.
Everywhere but the 1-25 football you want everyone to celebrate with you for some bizarre reason. Legally Blind's QB is leading the NFL in turnovers so thank God he's at least spoiled you rotten with 5 TD passes. Feel free to throw him a parade and report back what a terrific fan you are because of it.
Aight.
And you are a complete waste of sperm...
Still waiting.
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Here’s 17 reasons:
Myles Garrett
Jabrill Peppers
David Njoku
Corey Coleman
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Shon Coleman
Jamie Collins
Trevon Coley
Larry Ogunjobi
Jason McCourty
Briean Boddy-Calhoun
Seth DeValve
Josh Rosen
The Other First Round Pick Next Year
Our Second Round Pick Next Year
The Other Second Round Pick Next Year
The FO has given this coaching staff more individual talent than any of our last regimes. This coaching staff, specifically the offense, hasn’t been able to do jack Sheet with it. The fault lies with Hue, not on the FO.
If you can’t understand that, well...nevermind. Nobody around here really expects you to understand that.
Here’s 17 reasons:
Myles Garrett
Jabrill Peppers
David Njoku
Corey Coleman
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Shon Coleman
Jamie Collins
Trevon Coley
Larry Ogunjobi
Jason McCourty
Briean Boddy-Calhoun
Seth DeValve
Josh Rosen
The Other First Round Pick Next Year
Our Second Round Pick Next Year
The Other Second Round Pick Next Year
The FO has given this coaching staff more individual talent than any of our last regimes. This coaching staff, specifically the offense, hasn’t been able to do jack Sheet with it. The fault lies with Hue, not on the FO.
If you can’t understand that, well...nevermind. Nobody around here really expects you to understand that.
This regime will be happy to know they have you and War changing your underwear 4-5 times a game while we only need wait on the forward pass until their 3rd season. How dare any of us demand any more than that...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
IF Peyton Manning is getting hired, as say the President of operations, he will interview these guys, and learn the philosophy or plan they (DePodesta, Sashi)
First, I don't see Sashi being here if Manning were brought in.
Secondly, why is Peyton Manning qualified to be the President of a football team? Because he played QB? Is it his degree in Speech Communication? Or is it his commercial where he's playing a guitar wah-wah with his hands?
First, I don't see Sashi being here if Manning were brought in.
Secondly, why is Peyton Manning qualified to be the President of a football team? Because he played QB? Is it his degree in Speech Communication? Or is it his commercial where he's playing a guitar wah-wah with his hands?
I already put the 0-16 parade link on my facebook page, Hue, I'm holding you to jump in the Lake. Looking better and better by the week...
The losses don't hurt anymore- but I have some anger in certain areas....
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IF Peyton Manning is getting hired, as say the President of operations, he will interview these guys, and learn the philosophy or plan they (DePodesta, Sashi)
First, I don't see Sashi being here if Manning were brought in.
Secondly, why is Peyton Manning qualified to be the President of a football team? Because he played QB? Is it his degree in Speech Communication? Or is it his commercial where he's playing a guitar wah-wah with his hands?
Secondly, why is Peyton Manning qualified to be the President of a football team? Because he played QB? Is it his degree in Speech Communication? Or is it his commercial where he's playing a guitar wah-wah with his hands?
He may not be, but like I wrote, he's a "football guy" and would bridge some PR time.
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That some of you are willing to let this Sheet show go on.. They are 1-25 at this point.. What do you have in your crystal balls that makes you think these idiots will be successful... Me personally..Theres not one valid reason to keep these schmucks if they go 1-15 again..
I really want to ask.. I'm sure some of you own companies, or small business or hold positions of management.. Be honest.. If someone on your payroll performed like these dimwits have.. Tell me that you honestly would keep them...That some of you are willing to let this Sheet show go on.. They are 1-25 at this point.. What do you have in your crystal balls that makes you think these idiots will be successful... Me personally..Theres not one valid reason to keep these schmucks if they go 1-15 again..
I really want to ask.. I'm sure some of you own companies, or small business or hold positions of management.. Be honest.. If someone on your payroll performed like these dimwits have.. Tell me that you honestly would keep them...Mah Nikkaz................Remember, after 1 quarter of the first 2016 pre-season game I announced vehemently that this head coach was a mistake, and the FO would prove to be a total failure. The foibles, gaffs, stupidity and failures of this organization in every aspect from the draft, to play calling, to the uniforms has been a failure beyond the need to even debate this. Myles Garret, Corey Coleman, DeShone Kizer, on and on it goes.
Still, as you point out, at 1 - 25, there are still people here who honestly believe that this is what a rebuild looks like. How do you even debate this kind of mindset? What is the point of it? Are these people idiots? Well, no, Nick, what they are, and I mean this respectfully, are fans; this makes them simpletons. Browns fans are unique simpletons. They actually believe that there is something special about this franchise that none of the other 31 teams and fans are even smart enough to understand....even if we explain it to them.
What you have among Cleveland fans, largely, is a real-world enactment of the fable "The King Has No Clothes" . Love for the team is such that fans will fabricate make-believe analytics and viewpoints to assure themselves that we really, really, really have it together, but people just don't see yet the glory that is just moments, maybe one more draft away.
When I slammed the (IDIOTIC) drafting of Joe Thomas, I was blasted. I have been blasted all along for daring to suggest that he was a waste of a pick and had no positive impact on the Browns. So............now as his light is just about out, his body used up, his team worse off than when he arrived, the Browns again will need a LT.
It only takes one year to rebuild an NFL football team. Two years to go from nothing to playoffs.We see it over and over, and surely, we see the difference a great QB can make. BUT BUT BUT............................... NONE of those great players would have worked out for us, Nick.....don't you see? It is the trade down players, the 2 for one that we take who really are important. Never mind winning, touchdowns, playoffs.............you need to understand how good this 1 - 25 team really is.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Of the 13 players you listed. About 3-4 if them would be starters on a good team.
FIRE THEM ALL JIMMY
How about you name the ones who wouldn’t start for what teams, and the players that would start over them.
Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Garrett, Ogbah, McCourty and BBC would all start for almost any team in the league today. Peppers would start at SS for at least half of the team in the NFL. Coley would start for half the teams in the NFL
7 of those 9 were acquired by this FO.
3/5 of our starting offensive line would start for nearly every team in the NFL. The fourth would start for at least half the teams.
2 of those 4 were acquired by this FO.
That’s 9 easy starters right there.
Trying to make the argument that we haven’t added young, solid talent is stupid.
How about you name the ones who wouldn’t start for what teams, and the players that would start over them.
Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Garrett, Ogbah, McCourty and BBC would all start for almost any team in the league today. Peppers would start at SS for at least half of the team in the NFL. Coley would start for half the teams in the NFL
7 of those 9 were acquired by this FO.
3/5 of our starting offensive line would start for nearly every team in the NFL. The fourth would start for at least half the teams.
2 of those 4 were acquired by this FO.
That’s 9 easy starters right there.
Trying to make the argument that we haven’t added young, solid talent is stupid.
Then the question follows TC- WHY is this team 0-10 with all that young talent? I have the answer, and I'm about to go Ghoolie about it.....
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Here’s 17 reasons:
Myles Garrett
Jabrill Peppers
David Njoku
Corey Coleman
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Shon Coleman
Jamie Collins
Trevon Coley
Larry Ogunjobi
Jason McCourty
Briean Boddy-Calhoun
Seth DeValve
Josh Rosen
The Other First Round Pick Next Year
Our Second Round Pick Next Year
The Other Second Round Pick Next Year
The FO has given this coaching staff more individual talent than any of our last regimes. This coaching staff, specifically the offense, hasn’t been able to do jack Sheet with it. The fault lies with Hue, not on the FO.
If you can’t understand that, well...nevermind. Nobody around here really expects you to understand that.
This regime will be happy to know they have you and War changing your underwear 4-5 times a game while we only need wait on the forward pass until their 3rd season. How dare any of us demand any more than that...
This regime will be happy to know they have you and War changing your underwear 4-5 times a game while we only need wait on the forward pass until their 3rd season. How dare any of us demand any more than that...
Tom.. arguing with Millenials is like arguing with a lobotomized ostrich!
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How about you name the ones who wouldn’t start for what teams, and the players that would start over them.
Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Garrett, Ogbah, McCourty and BBC would all start for almost any team in the league today. Peppers would start at SS for at least half of the team in the NFL. Coley would start for half the teams in the NFL
7 of those 9 were acquired by this FO.
3/5 of our starting offensive line would start for nearly every team in the NFL. The fourth would start for at least half the teams.
2 of those 4 were acquired by this FO.
That’s 9 easy starters right there.
Trying to make the argument that we haven’t added young, solid talent is stupid.
Then the question follows TC- WHY is this team 0-10 with all that young talent? I have the answer, and I'm about to go Ghoolie about it.....
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Did you go to the game today? Looked mighty cold.
No I didn't Mark... I'm now in the totally disgusted club. Me & Don decided to dump our remaining tickets for whatever we could get. that netted us $28 bucks on $85 dollar face value tickets.
FWIW, I have a very good friend that lives in a Detroit suburb, and I wasn't about to waste gas driving up there last week either....
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Everywhere but the 1-25 football you want everyone to celebrate with you for some bizarre reason. Legally Blind's QB is leading the NFL in turnovers so thank God he's at least spoiled you rotten with 5 TD passes. Feel free to throw him a parade and report back what a terrific fan you are because of it.
Aight.
And you are a complete waste of sperm...
Still waiting.
Aight.
Still waiting.
I'm just gonna let you and TC continue to run your mouths.. because the more you do.. the more idiotic you both look... So please.. Keep going out of your way to show us how dumb you both really are.. your both great at it...
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Since you artfully framed the question to get either get the support you wanted or the ability to attack any who don't play along, first let me add this to your "set up"... I mean... premise.
If my hypothetical company had performed as the Browns have since '99 and I bought it in 2012 and tried to tinker around the edges for four years with no real hint of sustainable success, yes, I would stick with this management group, this organizational approach and with this plan for at least four years.
Now... "sticking with the plan" does not protect every single job in that management group, but the visible heads, the heads you want to see roll are all safe. Although in one case, Hue's case, his continued employment comes with strings attached... namely, as I have written before, with him reducing his distractions from being this franchise's HC. Could be adding an OC... could be adding a "bench coach". But some position has to be added to get him to focus on the team as a whole and his QB rearing in particular. He can continue to call plays, but when the D is on the field he stays focused on his young QB(s).
So please tell me.. Who said they would be back next year.. if they go 0-16.. Someone is gonna take the fall.. it's a question of whose PUD taste's better to our owner Dee Haslam... Sushi's or Hueless...
Who said they would be back next year..
I give up... who? Or, in the alternative, who said they would not be?
See when you create a hypothetical, and get input, then the proper thing to do is to continue the discussion in that vein and not switch midstream.... hell... one step into the stream from the near side.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Who said they would be back next year..
I give up... who? Or, in the alternative, who said they would not be?
See when you create a hypothetical, and get input, then the proper thing to do is to continue the discussion in that vein and not switch midstream.... hell... one step into the stream from the near side.
I give up... who? Or, in the alternative, who said they would not be?
See when you create a hypothetical, and get input, then the proper thing to do is to continue the discussion in that vein and not switch midstream.... hell... one step into the stream from the near side.
It all remains to be seen what happens, fair enough?
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
How about you name the ones who wouldn’t start for what teams, and the players that would start over them.
Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Garrett, Ogbah, McCourty and BBC would all start for almost any team in the league today. Peppers would start at SS for at least half of the team in the NFL. Coley would start for half the teams in the NFL
7 of those 9 were acquired by this FO.
3/5 of our starting offensive line would start for nearly every team in the NFL. The fourth would start for at least half the teams.
2 of those 4 were acquired by this FO.
That’s 9 easy starters right there.
Trying to make the argument that we haven’t added young, solid talent is stupid.
Then the question follows TC- WHY is this team 0-10 with all that young talent? I have the answer, and I'm about to go Ghoolie about it.....
Then the question follows TC- WHY is this team 0-10 with all that young talent? I have the answer, and I'm about to go Ghoolie about it.....
Because Kizer is garbage and continually turns the ball over and we have a coach who isn’t smart enough to figure out how to overcome that.
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Here’s 17 reasons:
Myles Garrett
Jabrill Peppers
David Njoku
Corey Coleman
Emmanuel Ogbah
Carl Nassib
Shon Coleman
Jamie Collins
Trevon Coley
Larry Ogunjobi
Jason McCourty
Briean Boddy-Calhoun
Seth DeValve
Josh Rosen
The Other First Round Pick Next Year
Our Second Round Pick Next Year
The Other Second Round Pick Next Year
The FO has given this coaching staff more individual talent than any of our last regimes. This coaching staff, specifically the offense, hasn’t been able to do jack Sheet with it. The fault lies with Hue, not on the FO.
If you can’t understand that, well...nevermind. Nobody around here really expects you to understand that.
This regime will be happy to know they have you and War changing your underwear 4-5 times a game while we only need wait on the forward pass until their 3rd season. How dare any of us demand any more than that...
This regime will be happy to know they have you and War changing your underwear 4-5 times a game while we only need wait on the forward pass until their 3rd season. How dare any of us demand any more than that...
I mean, you can demand anything you want but it doesn’t really matter. Because your “demands” don’t mean anything.
Don’t like it? Tough titties.
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Here’s what today’s crowd looked like during the national anthem. . .
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
The empty orange seat must have been a very popular Halloween costume this year.
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