The... I am batting (maybe alone) for the front office thread
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The NY Giants are 1-8 with their 2nd year HC Ben McAdoo.
Anyone willing to wager that WON’T get shitcanned at the end of the season?
I say he’s as good as gone...any takers?
Interesting point CD. He sure looks like a Dead Man Walking just 1 season after going 11-5.
IMO, it often boils down to progress vrs regression. If there's enough regression to where a considerable portion of the veteran buy-in is lost - it's hard to save a staff that lost the team. That seems to be the case with the Giants.
Think about some of the things we've seen here. In 2007, we went 10-6. The next year we only won 4 or 5 games and our HC and FO were fired.
In 2014, the 7-4 start in Cleveland in spite of numerous injuries behind a rookie Head Coach was a GREAT story that had many of us thinking we finally turned the corner once and for all. When you're winning like that the players are buying in and the fans are high five'n. Unfortunately, over the next 21 games we only went 3-18. When you have that kind of a drop off - there's also going to be a similar drop off in the number of players buying into the coaching staff. The Head Coach and FO were fired.
And the new HC and FO are off to a 1-24 start. We're almost as good as we were in 1999 and 2000...
Interesting point CD. He sure looks like a Dead Man Walking just 1 season after going 11-5.
IMO, it often boils down to progress vrs regression. If there's enough regression to where a considerable portion of the veteran buy-in is lost - it's hard to save a staff that lost the team. That seems to be the case with the Giants.
Think about some of the things we've seen here. In 2007, we went 10-6. The next year we only won 4 or 5 games and our HC and FO were fired.
In 2014, the 7-4 start in Cleveland in spite of numerous injuries behind a rookie Head Coach was a GREAT story that had many of us thinking we finally turned the corner once and for all. When you're winning like that the players are buying in and the fans are high five'n. Unfortunately, over the next 21 games we only went 3-18. When you have that kind of a drop off - there's also going to be a similar drop off in the number of players buying into the coaching staff. The Head Coach and FO were fired.
And the new HC and FO are off to a 1-24 start. We're almost as good as we were in 1999 and 2000...
As of last week, Vegas odds have it that as few as 4 to as many as 8 NFL HC’s will be shitcanned this year.
The top 4 most likely to get fired are:
Paganno
Fox
McAdoo
Jackson.
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Is it unfair to expect at least one of all those High pics to be considered a homerun?
Garrett is a homerun. Glad you think the FO is a success!
Garrett is a homerun. Glad you think the FO is a success!
With his limited amount of playing time, I would say he looks promising.
Calling him a homerun is a stretch.
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Homerun determination includes longevity as well as excellence. I wouldn't put Myles in that category based upon his resume to date. But I would give him a ground-rule triple... in fact I'd invent that for him.
McCourty was definitely a homerun FA signing... even clearer cut than the trade/sign maneuver named Collins.
Others I think have already shown to be triple worthy with a chance of taking home...
- Shockingly the first name I think of is Joe Schobert. Still not a complete MLB due to pass coverage, but 5th in the league in tackles? Who saw that coming?
- Shon Coleman... and not just because I told you so... all last year... from the draft thru Week 17... when you got a peek.
- Kindred is close... might have to stop him at second for now.
Honestly... that's about it for third. Bunch more doubles that have potential with time and better circumstances.
- None a better example than Njoku... you can see him coming.
- Also Drango springs to mind as he's now performing in his second fill-in performance.
- Corey C is here as well... really... can't we pad up the backside of his gloves?
- Nassib, Ogunjobi and Covey are in here standing up as well.
Bunch more singles, but what average fan cares about singles? Just not sexy... chicks dig the long ball*.
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* after 4 hours cal 9-1-1...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I expect players in the first round to contribute at a pretty high level. I expect players taken in the second round to contribute at an above-average level. I expect free agents to perform at a high level.
Ingevity might be a factor in a year or two.
As long as we don't clean house and start over.
WSS
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I expect players in the first round to contribute at a pretty high level. I expect players taken in the second round to contribute at an above-average level. I expect free agents to perform at a high level.
Ingevity might be a factor in a year or two.
As long as we don't clean house and start over.
WSS
Ingevity might be a factor in a year or two.
Even with out the typo this would have been quote worthy...
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I expect players in the first round to contribute at a pretty high level. I expect players taken in the second round to contribute at an above-average level. I expect free agents to perform at a high level.
Ingevity might be a factor in a year or two.
As long as we don't clean house and start over.
WSS
I expect players in the first round to contribute at a pretty high level. I expect players taken in the second round to contribute at an above-average level. I expect free agents to perform at a high level.
Ingevity might be a factor in a year or two.
As long as we don't clean house and start over.
WSS
So maybe we should wait and evaluate then?
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I expect players in the first round to contribute at a pretty high level. I expect players taken in the second round to contribute at an above-average level. I expect free agents to perform at a high level.
Ingevity might be a factor in a year or two.
As long as we don't clean house and start over.
WSS
So maybe we should wait and evaluate then?
So maybe we should wait and evaluate then?
Of course we should. Just pointing out that we suck worse than any other team in the league on our way to sucking worse than any other team in the history of the league.
I watch every game and cheer for the Browns. I hate almost every other team in the league and the ones that I don't hate I hate when they play against the Browns. Just pointing out that this failure seems unprecedented to me. Maybe you are 100% correct and the bean counter, the owners dumbass wife and the baseball jag off have everything under control.
I'll be glad to eat my words when that happens.
WSS
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Ok, why do you have to again point out A. what everyone knows already and B. what you've already "pointed out" about 100 times? Yes, our team is not winning. We know.
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Ok, why do you have to again point out A. what everyone knows already and B. what you've already "pointed out" about 100 times? Yes, our team is not winning. We know.
Ok, why do you have to again point out A. what everyone knows already and B. what you've already "pointed out" about 100 times? Yes, our team is not winning. We know.
Sorry Pollyanna. This must be the only point that's ever been repeated more than once on this board.
You're so blindly optimistic you make Po g sounds like Lewis Black.
WSS
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Okay ladies I guess you're right.
WSS
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Ok, why do you have to again point out A. what everyone knows already and B. what you've already "pointed out" about 100 times? Yes, our team is not winning. We know.
Sorry Pollyanna. This must be the only point that's ever been repeated more than once on this board.
You're so blindly optimistic you make Po g sounds like Lewis Black.
WSS
Sorry Pollyanna. This must be the only point that's ever been repeated more than once on this board.
You're so blindly optimistic you make Po g sounds like Lewis Black.
WSS
Can you go ahead and list other facts about other teams while you're at it? I'm looking forward to such interesting information as "the Cowboys are from Texas." "The Eagles play in Philadelphia." "The Titans are 6-4." Boy, those are some real stimulating discussion-starters.
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wargo, at this point, is just trolling.
wargo, at this point, is just trolling.
No, I'm not.
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wargo, at this point, is just trolling.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
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wargo, at this point, is just trolling.
No, I'm not.
No, I'm not.
Yes you are , Faggot!
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I guess the owners of the Browns weren't told that they should expect to lose all but a single game in the first two years of The Process? War should set 'em straight.......
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/jason_mccourty_says_haslams_ad.html
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Instead of anal ytics and numerology, I'm all for Shamanology.
Go find a tribal Shaman in Africa, bring him over and put him in charge of the team. I mean what part of witch doctor for GM can go wrong?
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No, I'm not.
Yes you are , Faggot!
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I guess the owners of the Browns weren't told that they should expect to lose all but a single game in the first two years of The Process? War should set 'em straight.......
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/jason_mccourty_says_haslams_ad.html
I guess the owners of the Browns weren't told that they should expect to lose all but a single game in the first two years of The Process? War should set 'em straight.......
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/jason_mccourty_says_haslams_ad.html
Who did expect this? Not me, but in retrospect when McC left for the Jets, I shoulda seen the possibility comin'... and so should have the Organization. Too much faith in Kessler... how could I fall for that?
But now that it's here... now that a second, consecutive #1 overall is a strong possibility with Josh Rosen waiting a "With the first pick" announcement, I am staying the course.
At least it appears the Haslam's are still on board... or at least I do not know what else to takeaway from this:
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet
#Browns
owners Jimmy and Dee Haslam met with players this week to discuss rebuilding, while offering perspective & support during a winless season:
Since the meeting reportedly took place wit the entire team, we shouldn't have to wait too long to learn the tone and flavor of it."When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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