Deshone Kizer
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Hue can go Shmuck himself, both he and Kitanic deserve each other because they both suck.
Start Kevin Hogan when you decide you want to win a game. I hope Hue takes Kizer with him when he goes to jump in that frozen lake after the season.
Hue can go Shmuck himself, both he and Kitanic deserve each other because they both suck.
Start Kevin Hogan when you decide you want to win a game. I hope Hue takes Kizer with him when he goes to jump in that frozen lake after the season.
You spend an incredible amount of time obsessing over a player in Kevin Hogan that will be on the roster for the last time with the Browns in about six weeks
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He's a 3 year project as wasn't ready to start from the beginning. For christ sakes he's 21. But Jimmy and company insist on tanking for #1 and are coming up with every excuse possible to rationalize it.
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Hue can go Shmuck himself, both he and Kitanic deserve each other because they both suck.
Start Kevin Hogan when you decide you want to win a game. I hope Hue takes Kizer with him when he goes to jump in that frozen lake after the season.
Hue can go Shmuck himself, both he and Kitanic deserve each other because they both suck.
Start Kevin Hogan when you decide you want to win a game. I hope Hue takes Kizer with him when he goes to jump in that frozen lake after the season.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/hue_jackson_on_deshone_kizer_l.html
I picture somewhere in his moms basement...PoG crying into his Hogan jersey when he reads the news that not only will Kizer start next week, but he's the guy the rest of the way no matter what unless injured.
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It was really tough watching Kizer against the Jags. Despite having a terrible game, Kizer and the offense had a chance to win at the end. Just THINK about what a late game victory would've done for Kizer and our team. Nobody would've talking about how awful Kizer played. They would've talking about "gutting it out" and perseverance. I mean, on that fumble when we had about 1:45 to go, why would Kizer hold the ball fully extended away from his body? Was that 3rd down? If he just takes the sack, we would have had a 4th down chance for a miracle play, or a miracle penalty, or whatever. But Kizer "Statue of Liberty's" the ball at the most important time of the darn game and loses it. I don't get it.
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It was really tough watching Kizer against the Jags. Despite having a terrible game, Kizer and the offense had a chance to win at the end. Just THINK about what a late game victory would've done for Kizer and our team. Nobody would've talking about how awful Kizer played. They would've talking about "gutting it out" and perseverance. I mean, on that fumble when we had about 1:45 to go, why would Kizer hold the ball fully extended away from his body? Was that 3rd down? If he just takes the sack, we would have had a 4th down chance for a miracle play, or a miracle penalty, or whatever. But Kizer "Statue of Liberty's" the ball at the most important time of the darn game and loses it. I don't get it.
It was really tough watching Kizer against the Jags. Despite having a terrible game, Kizer and the offense had a chance to win at the end. Just THINK about what a late game victory would've done for Kizer and our team. Nobody would've talking about how awful Kizer played. They would've talking about "gutting it out" and perseverance. I mean, on that fumble when we had about 1:45 to go, why would Kizer hold the ball fully extended away from his body? Was that 3rd down? If he just takes the sack, we would have had a 4th down chance for a miracle play, or a miracle penalty, or whatever. But Kizer "Statue of Liberty's" the ball at the most important time of the darn game and loses it. I don't get it.
Only the most negative of people around here would've focused on Kizers stats as opposed to the game winning TD drive that he could've led. I was curious to see what Hue would've done on 4th and whatever if he hadn't fumbled since we didn't waste our timeouts in the 2nd half, I would've probably punted it and tried to pin them deep and hope Bortles will Bortles the Jags.
But we have to wait for next week to see if Kizer can play a complete game.
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@boo-fagley said:
That was a complete game.
The dude is a 50% completion QB. Just like Mark Sanchez and all the other $hitty QBs in the NFL.
Let me rephrase...maybe he can play a game without so many mistakes so we might have a chance at a win. Inaccurate in college translates to even more inaccurate in the NFL.
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@boo-fagley said:
That was a complete game.
The dude is a 50% completion QB. Just like Mark Sanchez and all the other $hitty QBs in the NFL.
Let me rephrase...maybe he can play a game without so many mistakes so we might have a chance at a win. Inaccurate in college translates to even more inaccurate in the NFL.
Let me rephrase...maybe he can play a game without so many mistakes so we might have a chance at a win. Inaccurate in college translates to even more inaccurate in the NFL.
Like Jake Locker?
So, like Josh Allen?
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Like Jake Locker?
So, like Josh Allen?
Yep.. I would think so. Being an accurate passer in college doesn't mean NFL success but being inaccurate in college doesn't get better.
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Like Jake Locker?
So, like Josh Allen?
Yep.. I would think so. Being an accurate passer in college doesn't mean NFL success but being inaccurate in college doesn't get better.
Yep.. I would think so. Being an accurate passer in college doesn't mean NFL success but being inaccurate in college doesn't get better.
I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
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Yep.. I would think so. Being an accurate passer in college doesn't mean NFL success but being inaccurate in college doesn't get better.
I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
You can't make someone "accurate"... You either have it.. or you don't... Accuracy isn't just mechanics.. Instinct has a lot to do with how you throw.. The best tool for accuracy is hitch steps.. Where you plant your feet.. but you cannot teach someone how to have touch... I'll use playing guitar as an example.. Most guys who pick up the instrument have hands like cement... Then there are the ones born with natural touch and feel...
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Hue can go Shmuck himself, both he and Kitanic deserve each other because they both suck.
Start Kevin Hogan when you decide you want to win a game. I hope Hue takes Kizer with him when he goes to jump in that frozen lake after the season.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/hue_jackson_on_deshone_kizer_l.html
I picture somewhere in his moms basement...PoG crying into his Hogan jersey when he reads the news that not only will Kizer start next week, but he's the guy the rest of the way no matter what unless injured.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/hue_jackson_on_deshone_kizer_l.html
I picture somewhere in his moms basement...PoG crying into his Hogan jersey when he reads the news that not only will Kizer start next week, but he's the guy the rest of the way no matter what unless injured.
If Hue needs to see more of Kizer "to know what he's got" then why try to get McCarron? Crickets chirping.
@boo-fagley said:
That was a complete game.
The dude is a 50% completion QB. Just like Mark Sanchez and all the other $hitty QBs in the NFL.
With a not so hot 54 qbr.
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Yep.. I would think so. Being an accurate passer in college doesn't mean NFL success but being inaccurate in college doesn't get better.
I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
You can't make someone "accurate"... You either have it.. or you don't... Accuracy isn't just mechanics.. Instinct has a lot to do with how you throw.. The best tool for accuracy is hitch steps.. Where you plant your feet.. but you cannot teach someone how to have touch... I'll use playing guitar as an example.. Most guys who pick up the instrument have hands like cement... Then there are the one born with natural touch and feel...
I'm going to get kicked for mentioning soccer, but I'll take the risk.
In soccer, it is commonly accepted that accuracy, even when some people have more 'touch' or 'feel' like nickers said, it is an aspect everyone can get better at, but mainly in FREE KICKS. Being accurate shooting at the same time you're running is a completely different asset. I don't know if this would be applyable to quaterbacks: most of the times they make their passes from a vertical stance, so it could be applyable, but even when passing from the pocket there are multiple little movements and things going around.
Everyone has its limits, though, and someone who is ''naturally accurate'' will have the bar higher than others who are not.
And the difference between college and NFL, as most analysts say, is that the windows to make the passes are more narrow in the pros, so you must be even more accurate in the college.
EDIT: I have to correct one hundred times my posts, lol.
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Yep.. I would think so. Being an accurate passer in college doesn't mean NFL success but being inaccurate in college doesn't get better.
I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
It seems that a baseball pitcher can focus entirely on the target...strike zone. A football QB needs to do the same while trying to ignore the 300 lb wild men trying to kill him. I don't know if any amount of practice can cure that. Unless you use old marine corps tactics of throwing M-80s at recruits and firing live ammo over their heads. And that would not cut it at all in the age of PC.
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/11/hue_jackson_on_deshone_kizer_l.html
I picture somewhere in his moms basement...PoG crying into his Hogan jersey when he reads the news that not only will Kizer start next week, but he's the guy the rest of the way no matter what unless injured.
If Hue needs to see more of Kizer "to know what he's got" then why try to get McCarron? Crickets chirping.
@boo-fagley said:
That was a complete game.
The dude is a 50% completion QB. Just like Mark Sanchez and all the other $hitty QBs in the NFL.
With a not so hot 54 qbr.
If Hue needs to see more of Kizer "to know what he's got" then why try to get McCarron? Crickets chirping.
I don't think he does. But he's still the best of the worst of the 3 options we have at this point. The only hope for Kizer (and I don't think it will happen because he's basically the same guy he was in college) is to look at a guy like Goff who was a total joke last year for the Rams and is now suddenly looking like a really good QB. What changed? Just better coaching and a 2nd year in the league. I don't think it will happen for Kizer, but it's the only hope I have if he's still around next season.
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I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
You can't make someone "accurate"... You either have it.. or you don't... Accuracy isn't just mechanics.. Instinct has a lot to do with how you throw.. The best tool for accuracy is hitch steps.. Where you plant your feet.. but you cannot teach someone how to have touch... I'll use playing guitar as an example.. Most guys who pick up the instrument have hands like cement... Then there are the one born with natural touch and feel...
I'm going to get kicked for mentioning soccer, but I'll take the risk.
In soccer, it is commonly accepted that accuracy, even when some people have more 'touch' or 'feel' like nickers said, it is an aspect everyone can get better at, but mainly in FREE KICKS. Being accurate shooting at the same time you're running is a completely different asset. I don't know if this would be applyable to quaterbacks: most of the times they make their passes from a vertical stance, so it could be applyable, but even when passing from the pocket there are multiple little movements and things going around.
Everyone has its limits, though, and someone who is ''naturally accurate'' will have the bar higher than others who are not.
And the difference between college and NFL, as most analysts say, is that the windows to make the passes are more narrow in the pros, so you must be even more accurate in the college.
EDIT: I have to correct one hundred times my posts, lol.
I'm going to get kicked for mentioning soccer, but I'll take the risk.
In soccer, it is commonly accepted that accuracy, even when some people have more 'touch' or 'feel' like nickers said, it is an aspect everyone can get better at, but mainly in FREE KICKS. Being accurate shooting at the same time you're running is a completely different asset. I don't know if this would be applyable to quaterbacks: most of the times they make their passes from a vertical stance, so it could be applyable, but even when passing from the pocket there are multiple little movements and things going around.
Everyone has its limits, though, and someone who is ''naturally accurate'' will have the bar higher than others who are not.
And the difference between college and NFL, as most analysts say, is that the windows to make the passes are more narrow in the pros, so you must be even more accurate in the college.
EDIT: I have to correct one hundred times my posts, lol.
I'm no expert on Soccer,, But to me.. Soccer relies on accurate passing between player to player,, Coordination is a little looser per se between them.. But I think you get the main gist of what I'm saying...
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I'm going to get kicked for mentioning soccer, but I'll take the risk.
In soccer, it is commonly accepted that accuracy, even when some people have more 'touch' or 'feel' like nickers said, it is an aspect everyone can get better at, but mainly in FREE KICKS. Being accurate shooting at the same time you're running is a completely different asset. I don't know if this would be applyable to quaterbacks: most of the times they make their passes from a vertical stance, so it could be applyable, but even when passing from the pocket there are multiple little movements and things going around.
Everyone has its limits, though, and someone who is ''naturally accurate'' will have the bar higher than others who are not.
And the difference between college and NFL, as most analysts say, is that the windows to make the passes are more narrow in the pros, so you must be even more accurate in the college.
EDIT: I have to correct one hundred times my posts, lol.
I'm no expert on Soccer,, But to me.. Soccer relies on accurate passing between player to player,, Coordination is a little looser per se between them.. But I think you get the main gist of what I'm saying...
I'm no expert on Soccer,, But to me.. Soccer relies on accurate passing between player to player,, Coordination is a little looser per se between them.. But I think you get the main gist of what I'm saying...
Well, the coordination between the passer and the receiver doesn't need to be as accurate as the one in NFL, indeed. But I was refering to the main deal in soccer, kicking the ball into the goal, scoring.
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It was really tough watching Kizer against the Jags. Despite having a terrible game, Kizer and the offense had a chance to win at the end. Just THINK about what a late game victory would've done for Kizer and our team. Nobody would've talking about how awful Kizer played. They would've talking about "gutting it out" and perseverance. I mean, on that fumble when we had about 1:45 to go, why would Kizer hold the ball fully extended away from his body? Was that 3rd down? If he just takes the sack, we would have had a 4th down chance for a miracle play, or a miracle penalty, or whatever. But Kizer "Statue of Liberty's" the ball at the most important time of the darn game and loses it. I don't get it.
Only the most negative of people around here would've focused on Kizers stats as opposed to the game winning TD drive that he could've led. I was curious to see what Hue would've done on 4th and whatever if he hadn't fumbled since we didn't waste our timeouts in the 2nd half, I would've probably punted it and tried to pin them deep and hope Bortles will Bortles the Jags.
But we have to wait for next week to see if Kizer can play a complete game.
Only the most negative of people around here would've focused on Kizers stats as opposed to the game winning TD drive that he could've led. I was curious to see what Hue would've done on 4th and whatever if he hadn't fumbled since we didn't waste our timeouts in the 2nd half, I would've probably punted it and tried to pin them deep and hope Bortles will Bortles the Jags.
But we have to wait for next week to see if Kizer can play a complete game.
I wanted it so badly. Wanted to see the crowd erupt, to see the players celebrating, to watch us make that ONE play that results in a late lead, and then watch Garrett swallow up Bortles as he attempts a feeble comeback. I visualized Kizer throwing it up to Coleman and him coming down with the ball in a tearful moment of injured redemption. I saw it all in my mind's eye....right before the other shoe fell.
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I'm sure there is someone out there that was able to go from poor to good regarding accuracy, but I'll be damned if I can think of him.
Accuracy seems like something that should be able to be fixed for QBs though. Hell, Sandy Koufax couldn't hit the broad side of the barn as a youngster, eventually turned into one of the best pitchers ever. Why can't a QBs footwork and delivery be fixed too? (But I ask this realizing it doesn't seem to happen much, that I or you can think of)
You can't make someone "accurate"... You either have it.. or you don't... Accuracy isn't just mechanics.. Instinct has a lot to do with how you throw.. The best tool for accuracy is hitch steps.. Where you plant your feet.. but you cannot teach someone how to have touch... I'll use playing guitar as an example.. Most guys who pick up the instrument have hands like cement... Then there are the one born with natural touch and feel...
I'm going to get kicked for mentioning soccer, but I'll take the risk.
In soccer, it is commonly accepted that accuracy, even when some people have more 'touch' or 'feel' like nickers said, it is an aspect everyone can get better at, but mainly in FREE KICKS. Being accurate shooting at the same time you're running is a completely different asset. I don't know if this would be applyable to quaterbacks: most of the times they make their passes from a vertical stance, so it could be applyable, but even when passing from the pocket there are multiple little movements and things going around.
Everyone has its limits, though, and someone who is ''naturally accurate'' will have the bar higher than others who are not.
And the difference between college and NFL, as most analysts say, is that the windows to make the passes are more narrow in the pros, so you must be even more accurate in the college.
EDIT: I have to correct one hundred times my posts, lol.
I'm going to get kicked for mentioning soccer, but I'll take the risk.
In soccer, it is commonly accepted that accuracy, even when some people have more 'touch' or 'feel' like nickers said, it is an aspect everyone can get better at, but mainly in FREE KICKS. Being accurate shooting at the same time you're running is a completely different asset. I don't know if this would be applyable to quaterbacks: most of the times they make their passes from a vertical stance, so it could be applyable, but even when passing from the pocket there are multiple little movements and things going around.
Everyone has its limits, though, and someone who is ''naturally accurate'' will have the bar higher than others who are not.
And the difference between college and NFL, as most analysts say, is that the windows to make the passes are more narrow in the pros, so you must be even more accurate in the college.
EDIT: I have to correct one hundred times my posts, lol.
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