This team is the culmination of years of camp trade down
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Nah dude, we need more Phil Taylor’s and Corey Coleman’s. Can never have enough.
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This is what we get trading down all the time. I hope that's over now. Just stay where you are. You earned the right to draft #1 cause you suck a sshole every year cause you have only a few skilled players, if that. No more fukking trade downs.
This is what we get trading down all the time. I hope that's over now. Just stay where you are. You earned the right to draft #1 cause you suck a sshole every year cause you have only a few skilled players, if that. No more fukking trade downs.
Absolutely and it ONLY works if you draft your franchise QB in year 3. If they don't by the time you draft him and get him up to speed the talent you have are coming off of their rookie contracts. I think this necessitates drafting a QB this season and if they miss it will set the team back 5 more years. Even if they wanted a QB next season they should've drafted talent at 12. I wanted Foster at 12.
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This is what we get trading down all the time. I hope that's over now. Just stay where you are. You earned the right to draft #1 cause you suck a sshole every year cause you have only a few skilled players, if that. No more fukking trade downs.
Absolutely and it ONLY works if you draft your franchise QB in year 3. If they don't by the time you draft him and get him up to speed the talent you have are coming off of their rookie contracts. I think this necessitates drafting a QB this season and if they miss it will set the team back 5 more years. Even if they wanted a QB next season they should've drafted talent at 12. I wanted Foster at 12.
Even if they wanted a QB next season they should've drafted talent at 12. I wanted Foster at 12.
wanted Foster too & the beat goes on, trading up or down.. we still could have got both..#1.Garrett #12.D.Watson..... #29. was Njoku or #30.TJ Watt or #31.Reuben Foster or #32. Ryan Ramczyk..
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Yeah... only trade ups from now on...
Like for Johnny...
... and TR...
... and Brady-kins...
... and Phipps...
... and _____________________ .
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yeah... only trade ups from now on...
Like for Johnny...
... and TR...
... and Brady-kins...
... and Phipps...
... and _____________________ .
Yeah... only trade ups from now on...
Like for Johnny...
... and TR...
... and Brady-kins...
... and Phipps...
... and _____________________ .
To be fair we traded up a couple spots from late in the 1st round with our 2nd pick tonget johnny. I dont want trade ups either cause trade ups usually mean trade downs in the future to make up lost picks.
We need years of staying put to replenish the talent on this team at alot of positions
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Yeah... only trade ups from now on...
Like for Johnny...
... and TR...
... and Brady-kins...
... and Phipps...
... and _____________________ .
To be fair we traded up a couple spots from late in the 1st round with our 2nd pick tonget johnny. I dont want trade ups either cause trade ups usually mean trade downs in the future to make up lost picks.
We need years of staying put to replenish the talent on this team at alot of positions
We need years of staying put to replenish the talent on this team at alot of positions
Nope...
And what's this BS about "being fair"?
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We need years of staying put to replenish the talent on this team at alot of positions
Nope...
And what's this BS about "being fair"?
Nope...
And what's this BS about "being fair"?
We didnt trade up into the top 5 to take johnny. I dont consider moving up a couple spots in the late 1st one of thise sell the shirt off ur back trades. Those, or anything close...i want no part of. As well as no trade downs unless the talent available is at positions we're already good at and some team is willing to give us the shirt off their back.
Take this for year instance. If we had our franchise qb, i would potentially entertain trade offers for barkley. And if no one bit id fukking sit at one and take barkley. This FO tho seems like they'll take a bunch of later round picks and some cases of natty light. When teams know ur desperate to trade down they're not gonna bend over for u.
To me thats one of the main downsides of a known analytics FO. Teams know they dont have to do alot of pre lubing and stretching.
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Yeah... only trade ups from now on...
Like for Johnny...
... and TR...
... and Brady-kins...
... and Phipps...
... and _____________________ .
Yeah... only trade ups from now on...
Like for Johnny...
... and TR...
... and Brady-kins...
... and Phipps...
... and _____________________ .
Andddd..... How do you spell incompetence evaluating talent? I swear, 1\2 the guys on this board- not just me, could have done a better job drafting in the first round than the guys who get paid to make those decisions. Johnny & Brady were on my hell no list. I'll spare you the barfing, but if you want me to- I'll post the guys we COULD have had with the first round pick we gave Dallas the next year for drafting stiff Quinn. Look it up Tour- hoorta mantra- "it's a sin if we draft Quinn".
Ditto, if you want to look up my comments about Richardson, BTW the pre draft scouting reports had "hands of stone" Braylon pretty well pegged too. Now, ahem... have the anal-litics guys paid any attention to reports guys like Coleman (he of a critical drop today) and Schmuck Ricardo Lewis who can run 4.3s and can't catch the damn ball when it hits them between the 8 & the X? Looks like NOT!!!!!
Note to Paul DePodesta:
If track speed was all that mattered, Renado Nehemiah would be in the HOF. Shove those anal-litics up your butt. like Wentz isn't a top 20 qb, kindly stuff that remark too- sideways.
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were way over man-hell & farmer clev..stick to the new process of re building from studs.(which no one here asked for) .SB in 2016 traded down 5 times giving up 7 picks gaining 14 picks & Jamar Taylor..In 2017.. SB traded down one pick gaining 2 picks (a 1st). Traded up 3 times costing.. 2 4ths, 2 5ths,1 6th while gaining a 1st,a 4th,a 5th & 2 7th round picks..
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were way over man-hell & farmer clev..stick to the new process of re building from studs.(which no one here asked for) .SB in 2016 traded down 5 times giving up 7 picks gaining 14 picks & Jamar Taylor..In 2017.. SB traded down one pick gaining 2 picks (a 1st). Traded up 3 times costing.. 2 4ths, 2 5ths,1 6th while gaining a 1st,a 4th,a 5th & 2 7th round picks..
were way over man-hell & farmer clev..stick to the new process of re building from studs.(which no one here asked for) .SB in 2016 traded down 5 times giving up 7 picks gaining 14 picks & Jamar Taylor..In 2017.. SB traded down one pick gaining 2 picks (a 1st). Traded up 3 times costing.. 2 4ths, 2 5ths,1 6th while gaining a 1st,a 4th,a 5th & 2 7th round picks..
And if you can't hit on those picks gumby- it's worthless. So with 20\20 hindsight, what would you give up right now for Wentz? Assuming the Eagles would even trade? The #1 overall in 2018 and how much else?
ghoolie went ballistic when we gifted the Falcons Julio Jones- and turns out- he was right. You get those high picks for a reason- use 'em for a change.
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Didn't we trade to the number 1 pick in the 1985 supplemental draft?
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coulda & shoulda takes Wentz at #2 for nothing, while wouda finds Billy Joel's bottles of Red & Whites..we done burnt the Wentz & Watson Bridge...who's next
coulda & shoulda takes Wentz at #2 for nothing, while wouda finds Billy Joel's bottles of Red & Whites..we done burnt the Wentz & Watson Bridge...who's next
Ah, it's all looking forward now gumby.
That trade down will haunt the Browns for the next 15 years. UNLESS Rosen or Mayfield win more SBs than Carson.
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Nope...
And what's this BS about "being fair"?
We didnt trade up into the top 5 to take johnny. I dont consider moving up a couple spots in the late 1st one of thise sell the shirt off ur back trades. Those, or anything close...i want no part of. As well as no trade downs unless the talent available is at positions we're already good at and some team is willing to give us the shirt off their back.
Take this for year instance. If we had our franchise qb, i would potentially entertain trade offers for barkley. And if no one bit id fukking sit at one and take barkley. This FO tho seems like they'll take a bunch of later round picks and some cases of natty light. When teams know ur desperate to trade down they're not gonna bend over for u.
To me thats one of the main downsides of a known analytics FO. Teams know they dont have to do alot of pre lubing and stretching.
We didnt trade up into the top 5 to take johnny. I dont consider moving up a couple spots in the late 1st one of thise sell the shirt off ur back trades. Those, or anything close...i want no part of. As well as no trade downs unless the talent available is at positions we're already good at and some team is willing to give us the shirt off their back.
Take this for year instance. If we had our franchise qb, i would potentially entertain trade offers for barkley. And if no one bit id fukking sit at one and take barkley. This FO tho seems like they'll take a bunch of later round picks and some cases of natty light. When teams know ur desperate to trade down they're not gonna bend over for u.
To me thats one of the main downsides of a known analytics FO. Teams know they dont have to do alot of pre lubing and stretching.
So.... so long as a trade up doesn't cost us much, it's OK to miss.
And as long as a trade down works out, it's OK to trade down.
I swear, 1\2 the guys on this board- not just me, could have done a better job drafting in the first round than the guys who get paid to make those decisions.
Probably why "those guys" are gone.
My point was trade ups are no more assured than trade downs.... and by inference nether is staying put.
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Carson Wentz
2,600 yards passing, 28 Tds, 5 Ints...
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Don't forget the trade down for Justin Gilbert....instead of taking like Khalil Mack?
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Trading down is usually horses$it, it doesn't work out more than it works out, especially for us.
Thankfully, I'm sure Jimmy would rather pay for a #15 draft pick than a #2 draft pick. So at least i'm happy trading down saved him money.
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We didnt trade up into the top 5 to take johnny. I dont consider moving up a couple spots in the late 1st one of thise sell the shirt off ur back trades. Those, or anything close...i want no part of. As well as no trade downs unless the talent available is at positions we're already good at and some team is willing to give us the shirt off their back.
Take this for year instance. If we had our franchise qb, i would potentially entertain trade offers for barkley. And if no one bit id fukking sit at one and take barkley. This FO tho seems like they'll take a bunch of later round picks and some cases of natty light. When teams know ur desperate to trade down they're not gonna bend over for u.
To me thats one of the main downsides of a known analytics FO. Teams know they dont have to do alot of pre lubing and stretching.
So.... so long as a trade up doesn't cost us much, it's OK to miss.
And as long as a trade down works out, it's OK to trade down.
I swear, 1\2 the guys on this board- not just me, could have done a better job drafting in the first round than the guys who get paid to make those decisions.
Probably why "those guys" are gone.
My point was trade ups are no more assured than trade downs.... and by inference nether is staying put.
So.... so long as a trade up doesn't cost us much, it's OK to miss.
Well yeah. The point is trading up into a high pick always costs alot. The risk is "very" high. Trading up a couple spots late in the 1st round is usually finalized with a promise of a trip to the titty clibs nextbtime they're in town.
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We didnt trade up into the top 5 to take johnny. I dont consider moving up a couple spots in the late 1st one of thise sell the shirt off ur back trades. Those, or anything close...i want no part of. As well as no trade downs unless the talent available is at positions we're already good at and some team is willing to give us the shirt off their back.
Take this for year instance. If we had our franchise qb, i would potentially entertain trade offers for barkley. And if no one bit id fukking sit at one and take barkley. This FO tho seems like they'll take a bunch of later round picks and some cases of natty light. When teams know ur desperate to trade down they're not gonna bend over for u.
To me thats one of the main downsides of a known analytics FO. Teams know they dont have to do alot of pre lubing and stretching.
So.... so long as a trade up doesn't cost us much, it's OK to miss.
And as long as a trade down works out, it's OK to trade down.
I swear, 1\2 the guys on this board- not just me, could have done a better job drafting in the first round than the guys who get paid to make those decisions.
Probably why "those guys" are gone.
My point was trade ups are no more assured than trade downs.... and by inference nether is staying put.
So.... so long as a trade up doesn't cost us much, it's OK to miss.
And as long as a trade down works out, it's OK to trade down.
Probably why "those guys" are gone.
My point was trade ups are no more assured than trade downs.... and by inference nether is staying put.
I only "entertain" the idea of trading down when the bpa's are at positions we're flush at AND (most importantly) some team is willing to part with major capital. With a team so deficient at so many positions, staying put is the way to.
I know people will say trading down alot gives u future capital to trade up. But all we do with trade downs is draft mediocre talent like nassib and ogbah. I would think this teams track record at passing on immediately productive players by either just passing or passing as the result of a trade down, would be self explanatory
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