Go back to the NFL Jim

Browns149

@mld-woody said:

Yeah, I'm not gonna bother. You aren't correct, but that's alright. It isn't worth the time.

What was I not correct about?

Bob806

@mjp28 said:

I'm not really defending "m" but he's only been there what 3 seasons inheriting a program that was in decline since was it RichRod? LLLLLLoyd, others?

If "they" only had a healthy QB it would have been interesting this year with their defense and OL.....patience guys, he will make it interesting the only problem for "them" is that Tressel to Meyer those coaches have the Buckeyes as a top 10, top 5 team every year which is really hard to do.

Anyone kinda' miss the Bo/Woody days?

I do miss the Bo/Woody days.

That era will never come back though of course. The scholarship equity in every school in particular won't allow it....that's why there's a little more parity in CFB today.

The elite programs may remain elite, but they can't scholarship a player and keep him off the field like they did in the old days. Some schools did that so a rival couldn't have that player.

As for Harbaugh, I don't like him (or his brother in Ratbird land), but the guy is a great coach. As much as a Buckeye homer I am, I honestly thought ichigan was going to win,just because of raw emotion, which much of it comes from Harbaugh and the rivalry's history. Right now, it's king of the John Cooper-era in reverse for scUM.

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

Sigh

I want to explain why you're wrong, and explain what's just incorrect in that post... But I know it will just go in one ear and out the other.

What to do?

What to do? You wait and see.

Its not like we here are making up these rumors. They are all over the college football reports and in the NFL reports.

Now, here is a conundrum for you:

Next year would you rather see Jim Harbaugh coaching:

A. Michigan

B. The Browns

?? You choose

Browns149

@the-gipper said:

What to do? You wait and see.

Its not like we here are making up these rumors. They are all over the college football reports and in the NFL reports.

Now, here is a conundrum for you:

Next year would you rather see Jim Harbaugh coaching:

A. Michigan

B. The Browns

?? You choose

I hope he stays up there. OSU will continue to dominate them

A new coach might actually win

Browns149

@the-gipper said:

What to do? You wait and see.

Its not like we here are making up these rumors. They are all over the college football reports and in the NFL reports.

Now, here is a conundrum for you:

Next year would you rather see Jim Harbaugh coaching:

A. Michigan

B. The Browns

?? You choose

I hope he stays up there. OSU will continue to dominate them

A new coach might actually win

The Cysko Kid

I'd rather he stayed in Michigan. I don't like Michigan but I go to Toledo a lot in my Ohio state gear and I like an actual rivalry unlike whatever we're calling the browns games when everyone in the division, but especially Pittsburgh, squashes them twice a year

The Cysko Kid

It must be demoralizing being both a browns and Michigan fan. At least Michigan kind of won something when you were like three, eh woody?

MLD Woody

@the-cysko-kid said:

It must be demoralizing being both a browns and Michigan fan. At least Michigan kind of won something when you were like three, eh woody?

A lot of OSU fans couldn't handle it.

MLD Woody

@the-gipper said:

What to do? You wait and see.

Its not like we here are making up these rumors. They are all over the college football reports and in the NFL reports.

Now, here is a conundrum for you:

Next year would you rather see Jim Harbaugh coaching:

A. Michigan

B. The Browns

?? You choose

A. Easily

And the people pedaling those rumors are the same people that said he'd never leave the NFL...

mjp28

@browns149 said:

I hope he stays up there. OSU will continue to dominate them

A new coach might actually win

Oh do you mean like:

98	2001	Ann Arbor	Ohio State	26–20
99	2002	Columbus	Ohio State (#2)	14–9
100	2003	Ann Arbor	Michigan (#5)	35–21
101	2004	Columbus	Ohio State	37–21
102	2005	Ann Arbor	Ohio State (#9)	25–21
103	2006	Columbus	Ohio State (#1)	42–39
104	2007	Ann Arbor	Ohio State (#7)	14–3
105	2008	Columbus	Ohio State (#10)	42–7
106	2009	Ann Arbor	Ohio State (#9)	21–10
107	2010^[1]	Columbus	Ohio State (#12)	37–7
108	2011	Ann Arbor	Michigan (#15)	40–34
109	2012	Columbus	Ohio State (#4)	26–21
110	2013	Ann Arbor	Ohio State (#3)	42–41
111	2014	Columbus	Ohio State (#6)	42–28
112	2015	Ann Arbor	Ohio State (#	42–13
113	2016	Columbus	Ohio State (#2)	30–27^2OT
114	2017	Ann Arbor	Ohio State (#9)	31–20

It's not just JH, I actually hope that the rivalry gets a bit more bananced......a bit. GO BUCKEYES!

mjp28

This even amazed me in 13 of 15 of the above 15-2 run the BUCKEYES were a top 10 ranked team in the last game of the year prior to the bowls or national championship game.

It's not all "m" is bad folks, it's that The OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY BUCKEYES are a freakin juggernaut!

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

A. Easily

And the people pedaling those rumors are the same people that said he'd never leave the NFL...

Fine. I don't think I would care much for him coaching the Browns either. As for the "rumors"....I think they are based on the fact that some NFL teams may very well have approached him...or discussed it internally whether they would want him for their next coach (given the success he had with the 49ers).

So...it is not likely "rumors" they are pedaling. It is simply the reporting of what some NFL teams are thinking. Ergo the speculation. Of course, you are correct however that these reports do NOT include what Harbaugh is thinking.

And Michigan fan thinking they do not want him to leave is NOT the same as what Jim Harbaugh is thinking. You/they don't know that any better than the guys doing the speculating about him leaving.

wargograw

@mld-woody said:

Sigh

I want to explain why you're wrong, and explain what's just incorrect in that post... But I know it will just go in one ear and out the other.

What to do?

Try winning the game maybe?

wargograw

I for the life of me don't understand why anyone would want to see them successful just so the rivalry is better. The rivalry is the rivalry.

I'd rather see Ohio State catch up in the all time series, which they are certainly on their way to.

Browns149

@wargograw said:

I for the life of me don't understand why anyone would want to see them successful just so the rivalry is better. The rivalry is the rivalry.

I'd rather see Ohio State catch up in the all time series, which they are certainly on their way to.

I agree. I want OSU to beat them into the ground.

Too me it’s better this way. Seeing that team mediocre and irrelevant is AWESOME.

Just as it is with pittspuke. I want them to suck and be terrible.

mjp28

@wargograw said:

I for the life of me don't understand why anyone would want to see them successful just so the rivalry is better. The rivalry is the rivalry.

I'd rather see Ohio State catch up in the all time series, which they are certainly on their way to.

Do you remember when they used to call the BIG TEN the big two and little eight? If you beat any of the eight it was a big "so what" it kind of still is with the expanded bottom group minus maybe Wisconsin and Penn State. It does dilute your wins and prestige nationally you hear about it CONSTANTLY now how great the SEC is.

And I much prefer a good ol' 11-0 battle of #1 OHIO STATE vs #2 "m" a whole lot more. Who wants to beat a perennial wienie every year? And I don't really care how "m" racked up all those wins pre 1900 hell they will still riding horses to the game back then.

.......then the BUCKEYES can whoop them, make sense? Eh?

The Gipper

@wargograw said:

I for the life of me don't understand why anyone would want to see them successful just so the rivalry is better. The rivalry is the rivalry.

I'd rather see Ohio State catch up in the all time series, which they are certainly on their way to.

Any edge that FMU has was gained in the very early years, when FMU was a powerhouse in football and OSU was actually, admittedly, only on the level with teams like Oberlin. They were a cupcake. The record up to 1928 was that MU won 19, lost 3, and tied 2.

It was like Alabama taking on Mercer. But, once Ohio State got into football seriously...they have pretty much dominated the series, since the late 20s...with only the John Cooper era being the only real downturn.

So, since the late 20s, OSU has dominated every decade...except the Cooper years....and the Bo/Woody years....when things were quite even. It was Bo 5, Woody 4 with 1 tie.

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

Do you remember when they used to call the BIG TEN the big two and little eight? If you beat any of the eight it was a big "so what" it kind of still is with the expanded bottom group minus maybe Wisconsin and Penn State. It does dilute your wins and prestige nationally you hear about it CONSTANTLY now how great the SEC is.

And I much prefer a good ol' 11-0 battle of #1 OHIO STATE vs #2 "m" a whole lot more. Who wants to beat a perennial wienie every year? And I don't really care how "m" racked up all those wins pre 1900 hell they will still riding horses to the game back then.

.......then the BUCKEYES can whoop them, make sense? Eh?

Well, you could say in a sense that yes....we don't mind if TUN sucks forever. I mean....look at the OSU/Indiana rivalry. If you think about it, from a geographical standpoint that rivalry would be just as significant as the OSU/UM rivalry. It isn't because Indiana sucks at football. But if it were the other way around....if Indiana were good and Mich. was bad, then it could have been the OSU/Ind. rivalry that was so great...

So, no, I don't care if UM begins to be on a par with Indiana. Besides....as I have always said....if it weren't for the people from Ohio that go to Michigan...then Michigan would be on a level with Indiana. Think about it: Bo....from Ohio. 2 of the three UM Heisman winners: Howard and Woodson, from Ohio. Even Harbaugh is from Ohio...born in Toledo.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

Well, you could say in a sense that yes....we don't mind if TUN sucks forever. I mean....look at the OSU/Indiana rivalry. If you think about it, from a geographical standpoint that rivalry would be just as significant as the OSU/UM rivalry. It isn't because Indiana sucks at football. But if it were the other way around....if Indiana were good and Mich. was bad, then it could have been the OSU/Ind. rivalry that was so great...

So, no, I don't care if UM begins to be on a par with Indiana. Besides....as I have always said....if it weren't for the people from Ohio that go to Michigan...then Michigan would be on a level with Indiana. Think about it: Bo....from Ohio. 2 of the three UM Heisman winners: Howard and Woodson, from Ohio. Even Harbaugh is from Ohio...born in Toledo.

Yes if you go way back both here Ohio/Michigan and natonally Ohio was known as the "cradle of coaches" still is in many circles.

Michigan coaches will readily tell you that, good high school coaches and football develops good talent even with a diminished population base from decades past.

wargograw

@the-gipper said:

Any edge that FMU has was gained in the very early years, when FMU was a powerhouse in football and OSU was actually, admittedly, only on the level with teams like Oberlin. They were a cupcake. The record up to 1928 was that MU won 19, lost 3, and tied 2.

It was like Alabama taking on Mercer. But, once Ohio State got into football seriously...they have pretty much dominated the series, since the late 20s...with only the John Cooper era being the only real downturn.

So, since the late 20s, OSU has dominated every decade...except the Cooper years....and the Bo/Woody years....when things were quite even. It was Bo 5, Woody 4 with 1 tie.

I'm aware. But someone on here said they'd like the rivalry to be more balanced or some crap like that, i.e. Michigan win a few. Screw that.

And yeah, I'd love to see my rivals go 0-12 every year. Maybe not LSU, but definitely Texas, and definitely Michigan.