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  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    With reading up on the thieving that went on, I'm really beginning to wonder in the NFL steps into the mess. If Haslam ends up getting charged, they almost have too..

    Wouldn't they?

    Yay FBI! Go get him guys

    Goddell has set the precedent that he can superseded any local or federal authorities, so yea it seems like the NFL would have to do something or look completely inconsistent. 

    @d-bone said:

    Goddell has set the precedent that he can superseded any local or federal authorities, so yea it seems like the NFL would have to do something or look completely inconsistent. 

    Maybe with Haslam owning the team they should be called the Protected Witnesses?

  • Yep, it's the little things............

    https://sports.yahoo.com/jury-fraud-case-hears-jimmy-183908147.html

    Jury in fraud case hears Jimmy Haslam’s voice on secretly-recorded tape

    It’s been more than four years since Pilot Flying J found itself suddenly embroiled in a major fraud case, arising from the failure to provide promised fuel rebates to trucking customers. At an ongoing federal trial in Tennessee, jurors heard for the first time on Tuesday the voice of Browns owner (and Pilot Flying J CEO) Jimmy Haslam, via a secretly-recorded tape.

    A video update from Jamie Satterfield of the Knoxville News Sentinel explains the content and the context of Haslam’s comments. In short, his words seem to indicate awareness of the scheme to defraud customers by promising them a certain rebate, and then failing to honor it.

    Four former Pilot Flying J executives currently are on trial for fraud. Multiple owners have previously pleaded guilty. Haslam steadfastly has insisted that he knew nothing about any improper activities.

    In 2014, the company paid nearly $100 million in fines to avoid prosecution of the business entity, but as of February 2016 Haslam personally remained susceptible to indictment. He has never been charged.

    NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart was asked about the situation during a Tuesday media briefing, given the breadth of the league’s Personal Conduct Policy. Lockhart said he’s not sufficiently familiar with the case to comment on whether Haslam would potentially face discipline.

    @d-bone said:

    Yep, it's the little things............

    https://sports.yahoo.com/jury-fraud-case-hears-jimmy-183908147.html

    Jury in fraud case hears Jimmy Haslam’s voice on secretly-recorded tape

    It’s been more than four years since Pilot Flying J found itself suddenly embroiled in a major fraud case, arising from the failure to provide promised fuel rebates to trucking customers. At an ongoing federal trial in Tennessee, jurors heard for the first time on Tuesday the voice of Browns owner (and Pilot Flying J CEO) Jimmy Haslam, via a secretly-recorded tape.

    A video update from Jamie Satterfield of the Knoxville News Sentinel explains the content and the context of Haslam’s comments. In short, his words seem to indicate awareness of the scheme to defraud customers by promising them a certain rebate, and then failing to honor it.

    Four former Pilot Flying J executives currently are on trial for fraud. Multiple owners have previously pleaded guilty. Haslam steadfastly has insisted that he knew nothing about any improper activities.

    In 2014, the company paid nearly $100 million in fines to avoid prosecution of the business entity, but as of February 2016 Haslam personally remained susceptible to indictment. He has never been charged.

    NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart was asked about the situation during a Tuesday media briefing, given the breadth of the league’s Personal Conduct Policy. Lockhart said he’s not sufficiently familiar with the case to comment on whether Haslam would potentially face discipline.

    If Jimmy’s guilty, it’s just more proof he’s been the problem with this franchise. More so than any coach or FO.

  • @d-bone said:

    Yep, it's the little things............

    https://sports.yahoo.com/jury-fraud-case-hears-jimmy-183908147.html

    Jury in fraud case hears Jimmy Haslam’s voice on secretly-recorded tape

    It’s been more than four years since Pilot Flying J found itself suddenly embroiled in a major fraud case, arising from the failure to provide promised fuel rebates to trucking customers. At an ongoing federal trial in Tennessee, jurors heard for the first time on Tuesday the voice of Browns owner (and Pilot Flying J CEO) Jimmy Haslam, via a secretly-recorded tape.

    A video update from Jamie Satterfield of the Knoxville News Sentinel explains the content and the context of Haslam’s comments. In short, his words seem to indicate awareness of the scheme to defraud customers by promising them a certain rebate, and then failing to honor it.

    Four former Pilot Flying J executives currently are on trial for fraud. Multiple owners have previously pleaded guilty. Haslam steadfastly has insisted that he knew nothing about any improper activities.

    In 2014, the company paid nearly $100 million in fines to avoid prosecution of the business entity, but as of February 2016 Haslam personally remained susceptible to indictment. He has never been charged.

    NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart was asked about the situation during a Tuesday media briefing, given the breadth of the league’s Personal Conduct Policy. Lockhart said he’s not sufficiently familiar with the case to comment on whether Haslam would potentially face discipline.

    With reading up on the thieving that went on, I'm really beginning to wonder in the NFL steps into the mess. If Haslam ends up getting charged, they almost have too..

    Wouldn't they?

    Yay FBI! Go get him guys

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    With reading up on the thieving that went on, I'm really beginning to wonder in the NFL steps into the mess. If Haslam ends up getting charged, they almost have too..

    Wouldn't they?

    Yay FBI! Go get him guys

    They can suspend him, certainly...if he is indicted.

    It is one of the reasons, I suspect that he has begun listing his wife as the co-owner...and has begun having his son-in-law having a hand in the team's business.

    So....what is more embarassing this now  1-25 (?) mess...or having your owner indicted?  

    But lets note:   he would not be the first:

    Jim Irsay

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-owner-jim-irsay-arrested-charged-with-dwi-4-felony-counts/

    Eddie DeBartolo

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/04/youngstowns_eddie_debartolo_a.html

  • @d-bone said:

    Yep, it's the little things............

    https://sports.yahoo.com/jury-fraud-case-hears-jimmy-183908147.html

    Jury in fraud case hears Jimmy Haslam’s voice on secretly-recorded tape

    It’s been more than four years since Pilot Flying J found itself suddenly embroiled in a major fraud case, arising from the failure to provide promised fuel rebates to trucking customers. At an ongoing federal trial in Tennessee, jurors heard for the first time on Tuesday the voice of Browns owner (and Pilot Flying J CEO) Jimmy Haslam, via a secretly-recorded tape.

    A video update from Jamie Satterfield of the Knoxville News Sentinel explains the content and the context of Haslam’s comments. In short, his words seem to indicate awareness of the scheme to defraud customers by promising them a certain rebate, and then failing to honor it.

    Four former Pilot Flying J executives currently are on trial for fraud. Multiple owners have previously pleaded guilty. Haslam steadfastly has insisted that he knew nothing about any improper activities.

    In 2014, the company paid nearly $100 million in fines to avoid prosecution of the business entity, but as of February 2016 Haslam personally remained susceptible to indictment. He has never been charged.

    NFL spokesman Joe Lockhart was asked about the situation during a Tuesday media briefing, given the breadth of the league’s Personal Conduct Policy. Lockhart said he’s not sufficiently familiar with the case to comment on whether Haslam would potentially face discipline.

    If Jimmy’s guilty, it’s just more proof he’s been the problem with this franchise. More so than any coach or FO.

    @stillmotion said:

    If Jimmy’s guilty, it’s just more proof he’s been the problem with this franchise. More so than any coach or FO.

    Considering his micro management style, I have difficulty believing he didn't know about the fraud. But in the end, it doesn't matter. He's responsible for it, regardless whether he knew or not.

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    With reading up on the thieving that went on, I'm really beginning to wonder in the NFL steps into the mess. If Haslam ends up getting charged, they almost have too..

    Wouldn't they?

    Yay FBI! Go get him guys

    They can suspend him, certainly...if he is indicted.

    It is one of the reasons, I suspect that he has begun listing his wife as the co-owner...and has begun having his son-in-law having a hand in the team's business.

    So....what is more embarassing this now  1-25 (?) mess...or having your owner indicted?  

    But lets note:   he would not be the first:

    Jim Irsay

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-owner-jim-irsay-arrested-charged-with-dwi-4-felony-counts/

    Eddie DeBartolo

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/04/youngstowns_eddie_debartolo_a.html

    @the-gipper said:

    They can suspend him, certainly...if he is indicted.

    It is one of the reasons, I suspect that he has begun listing his wife as the co-owner...and has begun having his son-in-law having a hand in the team's business.

    So....what is more embarassing this now  1-25 (?) mess...or having your owner indicted?  

    But lets note:   he would not be the first:

    Jim Irsay

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-owner-jim-irsay-arrested-charged-with-dwi-4-felony-counts/

    Eddie DeBartolo

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/04/youngstowns_eddie_debartolo_a.html

    I know with Eddie, his sister has the team. Might be why James sold the business too. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    They can suspend him, certainly...if he is indicted.

    It is one of the reasons, I suspect that he has begun listing his wife as the co-owner...and has begun having his son-in-law having a hand in the team's business.

    So....what is more embarassing this now  1-25 (?) mess...or having your owner indicted?  

    But lets note:   he would not be the first:

    Jim Irsay

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-owner-jim-irsay-arrested-charged-with-dwi-4-felony-counts/

    Eddie DeBartolo

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/04/youngstowns_eddie_debartolo_a.html

    I know with Eddie, his sister has the team. Might be why James sold the business too. 

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    I know with Eddie, his sister has the team. Might be why James sold the business too. 

    James?  Who is James?

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    I know with Eddie, his sister has the team. Might be why James sold the business too. 

    James?  Who is James?

    @the-gipper said:

    James?  Who is James?

    Jimmy Haslam.... I just don't like to spell his name. It may invoke a bad juju or something

  • @the-gipper said:

    James?  Who is James?

    Jimmy Haslam.... I just don't like to spell his name. It may invoke a bad juju or something

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    Jimmy Haslam.... I just don't like to spell his name. It may invoke a bad juju or something

    OK, but you had me thinking like LeBron

    ...or, maybe more aptly:   Jesse       (and not the Steeler TE)

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    Jimmy Haslam.... I just don't like to spell his name. It may invoke a bad juju or something

    OK, but you had me thinking like LeBron

    ...or, maybe more aptly:   Jesse       (and not the Steeler TE)

    @the-gipper said:

    OK, but you had me thinking like LeBron

    ...or, maybe more aptly:   Jesse       (and not the Steeler TE)

    Sorry for the confusion.