Kizer QB Rating
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can someone pull up Troy Aikman rookie stats, and just compare the stats not saying Kizer is the second coming , just curious.
Since you asked- pro football reference will give you the answers. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00.htm
Yeah, Aikman stunk his rookie year, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and say Kizer will have the came career track as Troy. Difference was Aikman was the #1 overall pick. Deshone isn't going to get 3-4 seasons to show whether or not he's got "it".
Agree... it's not a coincidence that we ran effectively and Kizer had his best game vs. the Bagels.
Since you asked- pro football reference will give you the answers. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00.htm
Yeah, Aikman stunk his rookie year, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and say Kizer will have the came career track as Troy. Difference was Aikman was the #1 overall pick. Deshone isn't going to get 3-4 seasons to show whether or not he's got "it".
Finally starting to see the light eh Tour? As you well know- I didn't like Kizer from day one. No shopping the bargain bin next year.
There's a light?
I thought it was pretty clear in my post that I have not given up on the lad, just not counting on him being "the one." Not any different than my original take that I can see. With weeks left it will be interesting to see whether Kizer ends up closer to the QB I thought he could be than the bust you knew he would be, h.
Meanwhile I see you are doubling down on the old "taking a QB higher in the draft assures his success argument".
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Kizer has a chance to make some noise during these last five games, but it probably won't be against the Bolts. Although the Chargers aren't great against the run, we won't be able to run it effectively because our running game stems directly from our passing game. Teams come out with 63 people in the box, and it only loosens up once we've hurt them with the passing game. If we can get some quick completions and perhaps connect on some of those mid-level seam routes we've had success with, perhaps we can mix in the run game with some efficiency. But we're not the kind of team that can just come out and say, "We're running it, now try and stop it."
I'd love nothing more than for Kizer to play well again. I don't think it'll happen because of the Bolts' pass rush, but I've been wrong before. My point is, if we put Kizer in 3rd and long it'll be a rough day. And if we come out and try to run it with Crow on 1st and 2nd down, that's exactly what will happen. We need to start the game off with some 3 step drops and positive passing plays. Even if they're going for 3-4 yards. We need to stay ahead of the sticks in order to move the ball this week.
If I were Hue Jackson, I'd use the heck out of Josh Gordon as a DECOY early and often. First drive, I'd call a fake reverse to Gordon and see if I can hit Crow for a quick pass. Or fake the reverse and run a draw with Crowell. Then I'd run the fake "WR Bubble Screen" to Gordon. You know, the play the Jets ran on us for a scoring TD. You stack the receivers to one side and act like it's a typical bubble screen, but instead of throwing it to the screen WR (Gordon), one of the WR's who usually blocks just leaks out and hauls butt down the sideline. The Bolts will be so honed in on Gordon that I can see it working, and best of all, it's a pretty quick play so the pass rush isn't as much of a concern.
Am I making sense or totally crazy? LOL
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Kizer has a chance to make some noise during these last five games, but it probably won't be against the Bolts. Although the Chargers aren't great against the run, we won't be able to run it effectively because our running game stems directly from our passing game. Teams come out with 63 people in the box, and it only loosens up once we've hurt them with the passing game. If we can get some quick completions and perhaps connect on some of those mid-level seam routes we've had success with, perhaps we can mix in the run game with some efficiency. But we're not the kind of team that can just come out and say, "We're running it, now try and stop it."
I'd love nothing more than for Kizer to play well again. I don't think it'll happen because of the Bolts' pass rush, but I've been wrong before. My point is, if we put Kizer in 3rd and long it'll be a rough day. And if we come out and try to run it with Crow on 1st and 2nd down, that's exactly what will happen. We need to start the game off with some 3 step drops and positive passing plays. Even if they're going for 3-4 yards. We need to stay ahead of the sticks in order to move the ball this week.
If I were Hue Jackson, I'd use the heck out of Josh Gordon as a DECOY early and often. First drive, I'd call a fake reverse to Gordon and see if I can hit Crow for a quick pass. Or fake the reverse and run a draw with Crowell. Then I'd run the fake "WR Bubble Screen" to Gordon. You know, the play the Jets ran on us for a scoring TD. You stack the receivers to one side and act like it's a typical bubble screen, but instead of throwing it to the screen WR (Gordon), one of the WR's who usually blocks just leaks out and hauls butt down the sideline. The Bolts will be so honed in on Gordon that I can see it working, and best of all, it's a pretty quick play so the pass rush isn't as much of a concern.
Am I making sense or totally crazy? LOL
Am I making sense or totally crazy? LOL
Both?
I still go to Josh play #1... sets up your decoy use.
A fair dose of decoy makes sense. Josh will have three weeks of practice under his belt by game time, but still a lot to learn, a lot of rust to shake off. And it's not just play calls... there's also audibles and sight adjustments to test his competence. So enough work early to establish a threat, yet not expose limitations seems in order.
The game?
Hard time seeing a win. LAC 2017 is better than the 2016 SDC team we edged out last season by a missed FG. Josh should be a plus... and free up our other WR (and TE) options more than we've seen. But in the end we will have to run effectively to complete the threat and set Kizer up for success off PA.
Then if our run D shows up this week...
But in the end there's Rivers who is taking care of the ball better than he ever has and is coming off his best effort this season. If we (McCourty) can contain Allen, easily Rivers' top target, that would be a big leg up. Allen has been huge the past two games.
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Ever think about this (I have
) the Browns might do better right now away from home, west coast, 4 pm game....well here, all that?
They had "inspirational moments" hopefully they can put it together and avoid infamy, plus this is their only 4 pm game all year, 14 at 1 and the required 1 on TNF, or the you're NOT ready for prime time schedule. I just have a feeling on this game!
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Ever think about this (I have
) the Browns might do better right now away from home, west coast, 4 pm game....well here, all that?
They had "inspirational moments" hopefully they can put it together and avoid infamy, plus this is their only 4 pm game all year, 14 at 1 and the required 1 on TNF, or the you're NOT ready for prime time schedule. I just have a feeling on this game!
Ever think about this (I have
) the Browns might do better right now away from home, west coast, 4 pm game....well here, all that?
They had "inspirational moments" hopefully they can put it together and avoid infamy, plus this is their only 4 pm game all year, 14 at 1 and the required 1 on TNF, or the you're NOT ready for prime time schedule. I just have a feeling on this game!
well..one hopeful thing for this game is that its not a traditional road game. The Chargers have zero home field advantage. It's basically like the London game again where it's a neutral site game.
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West coast games are tough on visiting EST teams.
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Kizer doesn't look better than anyone. He looks like the worst QB in the NFL.
Except Paxton Lynch.
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Except Paxton Lynch.
Lynch has won as an NFL starter. Can you say that about Kizer? And remember, Kizer has a lot more starts.
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Except Paxton Lynch.
Lynch has won as an NFL starter. Can you say that about Kizer? And remember, Kizer has a lot more starts.
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Did someone just "mic drop" a 14/24, 170 yd, 1 TD win?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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West coast games are tough on visiting EST teams.
From covers 2016.....
One commonly held belief among NFL bettors is that there’s an edge betting against teams that are currently playing well out of their time zones, whether it be one of the five teams on the West Coast traveling out to the East Coast or vice versa.
But is there actually any truth to this theory? We've already seen the Oakland Raiders go West to East twice this season, and not only cover but win outright as road underdogs. The Raiders are once again on the East Coast to play Tampa Bay in Week 8, but stayed in Florida - rather than travel back to Oakland - following their win at Jacksonville last Sunday.
Using data back to 1995 (the point at which the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis) we can investigate whether there's proof behind the coast-to-coast method or if it's just a myth.
Between this year and 1995 there were only four teams that played their home games on the West Coast: the Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco 49ers, Oakland Raiders and San Diego Chargers. So we can look at how these four teams did playing against the teams that played on the East Coast (and were on Eastern Time), of which there are 19 in total.
We can look at both how the West Coast teams did when they were away (having to travel to the East Coast) and when they were home (with East Coast teams having to travel to them). Below is a simple breakdown of those games.
Record ATS
Record vs Total (% Over)
West @ East
133-140 (48.7%)
143-131 (52.2%)
East @ West
138-142 (49.3%)
151-135 (52.8%)
Three things jump out at me from this table.
1. Teams that have to travel to vastly different time zones, no matter which direction, are less than 50 percent ATS.
2. Games that involve two teams from vastly different time zones tend to go Over more than 50 percent of the time
3. Neither of these results are statistically significant at all. The closest one to statistical significance is that games involving East Coast teams playing on the West Coast go Over the total, and that only has a p-value of 0.375 - nowhere close to the 0.05 level desired for statistical significance. Although the direction of the effect is perhaps what we would think, the magnitude of the effect is not significant at all........CONTINUED IN LINK. ..........GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
With all the concern about CTEs going on, we draft a QB that suffers from migraine headaches. Already came out of one game for it too. And yet our esteemed FO drafts a brain damaged QB that was considered iffy to begin with.
Brilliant?
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With all the concern about CTEs going on, we draft a QB that suffers from migraine headaches. Already came out of one game for it too. And yet our esteemed FO drafts a brain damaged QB that was considered iffy to begin with.
Brilliant?
With all the concern about CTEs going on, we draft a QB that suffers from migraine headaches. Already came out of one game for it too. And yet our esteemed FO drafts a brain damaged QB that was considered iffy to begin with.
Brilliant?
Well they do sell a lot more Tylenol @ Pilot Flying J now. Coincidence or conspiracy theory?
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With all the concern about CTEs going on, we draft a QB that suffers from migraine headaches. Already came out of one game for it too. And yet our esteemed FO drafts a brain damaged QB that was considered iffy to begin with.
Brilliant?
Well they do sell a lot more Tylenol @ Pilot Flying J now. Coincidence or conspiracy theory?
Well they do sell a lot more Tylenol @ Pilot Flying J now. Coincidence or conspiracy theory?
They just bet against the Browns every week.
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West coast games are tough on visiting EST teams.
From covers 2016.....
One commonly held belief among NFL bettors is that there’s an edge betting against teams that are currently playing well out of their time zones, whether it be one of the five teams on the West Coast traveling out to the East Coast or vice versa.
But is there actually any truth to this theory? We've already seen the Oakland Raiders go West to East twice this season, and not only cover but win outright as road underdogs. The Raiders are once again on the East Coast to play Tampa Bay in Week 8, but stayed in Florida - rather than travel back to Oakland - following their win at Jacksonville last Sunday.
Using data back to 1995 (the point at which the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis) we can investigate whether there's proof behind the coast-to-coast method or if it's just a myth.
Between this year and 1995 there were only four teams that played their home games on the West Coast: the Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco 49ers, Oakland Raiders and San Diego Chargers. So we can look at how these four teams did playing against the teams that played on the East Coast (and were on Eastern Time), of which there are 19 in total.
We can look at both how the West Coast teams did when they were away (having to travel to the East Coast) and when they were home (with East Coast teams having to travel to them). Below is a simple breakdown of those games.
Record ATS
Record vs Total (% Over)
West @ East
133-140 (48.7%)
143-131 (52.2%)
East @ West
138-142 (49.3%)
151-135 (52.8%)
Three things jump out at me from this table.
1. Teams that have to travel to vastly different time zones, no matter which direction, are less than 50 percent ATS.
2. Games that involve two teams from vastly different time zones tend to go Over more than 50 percent of the time
3. Neither of these results are statistically significant at all. The closest one to statistical significance is that games involving East Coast teams playing on the West Coast go Over the total, and that only has a p-value of 0.375 - nowhere close to the 0.05 level desired for statistical significance. Although the direction of the effect is perhaps what we would think, the magnitude of the effect is not significant at all........CONTINUED IN LINK. ..........From covers 2016.....
One commonly held belief among NFL bettors is that there’s an edge betting against teams that are currently playing well out of their time zones, whether it be one of the five teams on the West Coast traveling out to the East Coast or vice versa.
But is there actually any truth to this theory? We've already seen the Oakland Raiders go West to East twice this season, and not only cover but win outright as road underdogs. The Raiders are once again on the East Coast to play Tampa Bay in Week 8, but stayed in Florida - rather than travel back to Oakland - following their win at Jacksonville last Sunday.
Using data back to 1995 (the point at which the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis) we can investigate whether there's proof behind the coast-to-coast method or if it's just a myth.
Between this year and 1995 there were only four teams that played their home games on the West Coast: the Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco 49ers, Oakland Raiders and San Diego Chargers. So we can look at how these four teams did playing against the teams that played on the East Coast (and were on Eastern Time), of which there are 19 in total.
We can look at both how the West Coast teams did when they were away (having to travel to the East Coast) and when they were home (with East Coast teams having to travel to them). Below is a simple breakdown of those games.
Record ATS
Record vs Total (% Over)
West @ East
133-140 (48.7%)
143-131 (52.2%)
East @ West
138-142 (49.3%)
151-135 (52.8%)
Three things jump out at me from this table.
1. Teams that have to travel to vastly different time zones, no matter which direction, are less than 50 percent ATS.
2. Games that involve two teams from vastly different time zones tend to go Over more than 50 percent of the time
3. Neither of these results are statistically significant at all. The closest one to statistical significance is that games involving East Coast teams playing on the West Coast go Over the total, and that only has a p-value of 0.375 - nowhere close to the 0.05 level desired for statistical significance. Although the direction of the effect is perhaps what we would think, the magnitude of the effect is not significant at all........CONTINUED IN LINK. ..........Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I only bet the NFL occasionally. I'm done with college because all I do is lose money:
I bet $10 on 8 teams on 11/26. Not tooting my own horn
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From covers 2016.....
One commonly held belief among NFL bettors is that there’s an edge betting against teams that are currently playing well out of their time zones, whether it be one of the five teams on the West Coast traveling out to the East Coast or vice versa.
But is there actually any truth to this theory? We've already seen the Oakland Raiders go West to East twice this season, and not only cover but win outright as road underdogs. The Raiders are once again on the East Coast to play Tampa Bay in Week 8, but stayed in Florida - rather than travel back to Oakland - following their win at Jacksonville last Sunday.
Using data back to 1995 (the point at which the Los Angeles Rams moved to St. Louis) we can investigate whether there's proof behind the coast-to-coast method or if it's just a myth.
Between this year and 1995 there were only four teams that played their home games on the West Coast: the Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco 49ers, Oakland Raiders and San Diego Chargers. So we can look at how these four teams did playing against the teams that played on the East Coast (and were on Eastern Time), of which there are 19 in total.
We can look at both how the West Coast teams did when they were away (having to travel to the East Coast) and when they were home (with East Coast teams having to travel to them). Below is a simple breakdown of those games.
Record ATS
Record vs Total (% Over)
West @ East
133-140 (48.7%)
143-131 (52.2%)
East @ West
138-142 (49.3%)
151-135 (52.8%)
Three things jump out at me from this table.
1. Teams that have to travel to vastly different time zones, no matter which direction, are less than 50 percent ATS.
2. Games that involve two teams from vastly different time zones tend to go Over more than 50 percent of the time
3. Neither of these results are statistically significant at all. The closest one to statistical significance is that games involving East Coast teams playing on the West Coast go Over the total, and that only has a p-value of 0.375 - nowhere close to the 0.05 level desired for statistical significance. Although the direction of the effect is perhaps what we would think, the magnitude of the effect is not significant at all........CONTINUED IN LINK. ..........Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I only bet the NFL occasionally. I'm done with college because all I do is lose money:
I bet $10 on 8 teams on 11/26. Not tooting my own horn
Perhaps I'm just lucky, but I only bet the NFL occasionally. I'm done with college because all I do is lose money:
I bet $10 on 8 teams on 11/26. Not tooting my own horn
Can't anyone make a deposit and then withdraw it?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Ever think about this (I have
) the Browns might do better right now away from home, west coast, 4 pm game....well here, all that?
They had "inspirational moments" hopefully they can put it together and avoid infamy, plus this is their only 4 pm game all year, 14 at 1 and the required 1 on TNF, or the you're NOT ready for prime time schedule. I just have a feeling on this game!
well..one hopeful thing for this game is that its not a traditional road game. The Chargers have zero home field advantage. It's basically like the London game again where it's a neutral site game.
well..one hopeful thing for this game is that its not a traditional road game. The Chargers have zero home field advantage. It's basically like the London game again where it's a neutral site game.
Well, the only reason we won last against the Chargers last year was because they missed the FG. I can promise you the score won't be close. Chargers will win by at least 10pts. They have way too much talent.
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well..one hopeful thing for this game is that its not a traditional road game. The Chargers have zero home field advantage. It's basically like the London game again where it's a neutral site game.
Well, the only reason we won last against the Chargers last year was because they missed the FG. I can promise you the score won't be close. Chargers will win by at least 10pts. They have way too much talent.
Well, the only reason we won last against the Chargers last year was because they missed the FG. I can promise you the score won't be close. Chargers will win by at least 10pts. They have way too much talent.
I'm aware of that and I don't disagree with the outcome. We are currently a 15 point underdog and I'm tempted to bet on the San Diego/LA Chargers of Carson even giving 15 points. They have a ton of talent and they can still win the division since KC and the Raiders have been shitting themselves for weeks and the Broncos don't have a QB.
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