Houston - our 2nd first round pick
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Here is some data on some Browns. Combine draft positon with CA. : CA in first column, draft slot in second column, plus combined:
Brian Sipe: 75 plus 330 total 405
Ernest Byner: 82 plus 280 total 362
Doug Dieken: 67 plus 142 total 209
Leroy Kelly: 87 plus 110 total 197
Bobby Mitchell: 88 plus 84 total 172
Gene Hickerson: 86 plus 78 total 164
Michael Dean Perry 83 plus 50 total 133
Paul Warfield: 106 plus 11 total 115
Jim Brown: 108 plus 6 total 114
finger Schafrath: 89 plus 23 total 112
Clay Matthews: 94 plus 12 total 106
As you can see....late draftees who do well earn a lot of points due to their draft slot.
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And here is the down side. I can only go back so far with this as the CA was not calculated for persons prior to like the early 60s.
Mike Junkin 3 plus 5 total 8 (this would make him the worst draft pick in Browns history...at least since the merger or thereabouts)
Justin Gilbert 4 plus 8 total 12 (of course...he could have a long career ahead of him......NOT)
Barkevious Mingo: 12 plus 6 total 18 (same for him....may not be done...but he seems done)
Trent Richardson: 17 plus 3 total 20 (I don't think he is in the league, is he? Canada?)
Mack Mitchell: 17 plus 5 total 22
Clifford Charlton 3 plus 21 total 24
Brady Quinn 2 plus 22 total 24
Steve Holden 10 plus 16 total 26
Tommy Vardell 19 plus 9 total 28
Above we have a fair Browns Hall of Infamy. The biggest draft busts in the last 50 years.
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The #1 WR coming out in most circles is Calvin Ridley from Alabama, but I think the guy who has my attention is Courtland Sutton from SMU. He's listed at 6'4 218 pounds, and from what I read about him, he plays like Mike Evans for the Bucs. He's a guy who excels at "high-pointing" the ball and coming down with it, and for those who read anything I write, they know THAT'S what I'm looking for right now. I want a guy who can make the play in the end zone on a ball that might not be perfect, or someone who can make the tough 3rd down when he isn't "open". I obviously don't love the fact he plays for SMU, and I REALLY don't like the fact that he had 1 catch for zero yards against TCU...their toughest game. So when the competition notched up, he wasn't able to be there for his team. Now, I'm not going to put that ALL on him, but it's concerning. Also, I haven't done hardly any research on the guy, but the brief details I've read about him seem positive for what WE NEED.
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I have Ridley right up there - but Sutton is also good - only knock is, he is more of a long strider
that doesn't have the explosiveness to get out of his breaks and get open. I believe that is what happened to him
when he faced the TCU secondary.
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Agility is generally not the forte of extra tall WRs, and their naturally longer stride length/slower step rate is a determinative factor, but there are exceptions.
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Agility is generally not the forte of extra tall WRs, and their naturally longer stride length/slower step rate is a determinative factor, but there are exceptions.
Agility is generally not the forte of extra tall WRs, and their naturally longer stride length/slower step rate is a determinative factor, but there are exceptions.
This is the reason you rarely see corners taller than 6'1'" too
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This is the reason you rarely see corners taller than 6'1'" too
Why do you see no white corners? Actual fact: there is not a single white cornerback on any NFL roster.
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This is the reason you rarely see corners taller than 6'1'" too
Why do you see no white corners? Actual fact: there is not a single white cornerback on any NFL roster.
Why do you see no white corners? Actual fact: there is not a single white cornerback on any NFL roster.
Because crackers are slow, have no rhythm, and can't jump?
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As far as WR goes, we need 2 types of guys...
1) A WR that can separate, is quick enough to get open early and get YAC, and has great hands. When it's 3rd down you need that quick reliable guy bc the pressure on the QB is coming faster. Guys like K.Allen, Thielen, AB, Edelman, D.Baldwin, G.Tate, J.Landry, and even Crabtree are some of the top in the NFL at converting 3rd downs... which is key. Find me that guy, and they are usually drafted later (if at all) bc sometimes the big guys are overrated...
2) The 2nd type is the redzone guy. Now, 3 of the top 7 in RZ TDs are TEs, so it would be nice to develop Njoku into just that, and 2 of the top 6 are the other type of WRs above. Still, some guys (same as RBs) just seem to have a nose for getting open in the endzone. They have the same skills as the other type of guy, maybe minus some of the agility/quickness, but are typically 2-4 inches taller.
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As far as WR goes, we need 2 types of guys...
1) A WR that can separate, is quick enough to get open early and get YAC, and has great hands. When it's 3rd down you need that quick reliable guy bc the pressure on the QB is coming faster. Guys like K.Allen, Thielen, AB, Edelman, D.Baldwin, G.Tate, J.Landry, and even Crabtree are some of the top in the NFL at converting 3rd downs... which is key. Find me that guy, and they are usually drafted later (if at all) bc sometimes the big guys are overrated...
2) The 2nd type is the redzone guy. Now, 3 of the top 7 in RZ TDs are TEs, so it would be nice to develop Njoku into just that, and 2 of the top 6 are the other type of WRs above. Still, some guys (same as RBs) just seem to have a nose for getting open in the endzone. They have the same skills as the other type of guy, maybe minus some of the agility/quickness, but are typically 2-4 inches taller.
As far as WR goes, we need 2 types of guys...
Stick with the orange helmets of Clemson..WR-Hunter Renfrow- 127 catches 1513 yards 14 TD's & counting with a QB not named D. Watson..Great hands. Clutch at crunch time, continues even after Bama championship game.. Hunter had sc-holleys in both baseball & football but decided to stay home close to Myrtle Beach & walked onto Clemson.(with Cain & Williams on roster).Walter's has him at #20 going 4th-6th round..Kid's got the heart of Cooper Kupp imho
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This is the reason you rarely see corners taller than 6'1'" too
Why do you see no white corners? Actual fact: there is not a single white cornerback on any NFL roster.
Why do you see no white corners? Actual fact: there is not a single white cornerback on any NFL roster.
Well I personally know of one white CB who was a starter for the Superbowl winning Colts AND he was actually 6'2" tall. Tommy Maxwell drafted in the 2nd as a safety and switched to RCB.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1970_roster.htm
This is the reason you rarely see corners taller than 6'1'" too
See above 6'2" CB
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Why do you see no white corners? Actual fact: there is not a single white cornerback on any NFL roster.
Well I personally know of one white CB who was a starter for the Superbowl winning Colts AND he was actually 6'2" tall. Tommy Maxwell drafted in the 2nd as a safety and switched to RCB.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1970_roster.htm
This is the reason you rarely see corners taller than 6'1'" too
See above 6'2" CB
Well I personally know of one white CB who was a starter for the Superbowl winning Colts AND he was actually 6'2" tall. Tommy Maxwell drafted in the 2nd as a safety and switched to RCB.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1970_roster.htm
See above 6'2" CB
The dude turned 70 in May!
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Well I personally know of one white CB who was a starter for the Superbowl winning Colts AND he was actually 6'2" tall. Tommy Maxwell drafted in the 2nd as a safety and switched to RCB.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1970_roster.htm
See above 6'2" CB
The dude turned 70 in May!
The dude turned 70 in May!
Yep and still faster than anyone on this board. LOL!
And I still think it's funny that everyone is looking for that fast as lightning 6'2" CB these days too. He was ahead of his time.
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I have Ridley right up there - but Sutton is also good - only knock is, he is more of a long strider
that doesn't have the explosiveness to get out of his breaks and get open. I believe that is what happened to him
when he faced the TCU secondary.
I have Ridley right up there - but Sutton is also good - only knock is, he is more of a long strider
that doesn't have the explosiveness to get out of his breaks and get open. I believe that is what happened to him
when he faced the TCU secondary.
You could be right. However, I'm not too concerned about speed and strides. Kelvin Benjamin was one such player I watched for years at FSU and then in pros. As we know, everything is condensed in the red zone, and speed is somewhat neutralized. What isn't easy to counteract is size...it's the reason we see so many jump balls to guys like Jimmy Graham. Njoku was SUPPOSED to be that guy, but he's a rookie and rookie TE's almost never explode out of the gates. We add another big red zone target and give Njoku another year to develop, and we might take some positive steps towards rectifying our woes inside the 20.
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Great... another order of hindsight in a soft taco...
i swear to the gods of several religions that I'm tired of defending the notion on this forum that actual rebuilds take time even if every move is perfect.. the goal is to build an annual repeat contender, not a one-trick one-season lucky pony.
Even Seattle hasn't won since they bet the farm on a one year gamble -- a particular interception wouldn't have occurred if Seattle continued to have the league's most expensive OL, like they did the one year they won the trophy. And they've made the playoffs thanks to defense. Offense decent, defense great, and this year's D injuries are the end.
Cleveland is aiming higher than that, and that's a good thing.. it doesn't hurt that Seattle's second-round QB is franchise-worthy.
Rosen at the 1, CB1 or WR1 with the Houston pick and/or the trade-down pick later in the first.
i swear to the gods of several religions that I'm tired of defending the notion on this forum that actual rebuilds take time even if every move is perfect.. the goal is to build an annual repeat contender, not a one-trick one-season lucky pony.
Even Seattle hasn't won since they bet the farm on a one year gamble -- a particular interception wouldn't have occurred if Seattle continued to have the league's most expensive OL, like they did the one year they won the trophy. And they've made the playoffs thanks to defense. Offense decent, defense great, and this year's D injuries are the end.
Cleveland is aiming higher than that, and that's a good thing.. it doesn't hurt that Seattle's second-round QB is franchise-worthy.
Rosen at the 1, CB1 or WR1 with the Houston pick and/or the trade-down pick later in the first.
You're not wrong, but I think the issue is that people aren't seeing tangible results in year 2. Nobody truly expected playoffs this year, but I also don't think anyone thought we'd be 0-11 either. Your point about things taking time is why I want to keep our coaching staff, hire an OC, but bring in POSSIBLY a new GM. I don't like Sashi and his vision. I'm not in love with our 2017 draft, although we realize it takes a couple years to accurately assess the picks.
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Why do you see no white corners? Actual fact: there is not a single white cornerback on any NFL roster.
Well I personally know of one white CB who was a starter for the Superbowl winning Colts AND he was actually 6'2" tall. Tommy Maxwell drafted in the 2nd as a safety and switched to RCB.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1970_roster.htm
This is the reason you rarely see corners taller than 6'1'" too
See above 6'2" CB
Well I personally know of one white CB who was a starter for the Superbowl winning Colts AND he was actually 6'2" tall. Tommy Maxwell drafted in the 2nd as a safety and switched to RCB.
Ancient history....I am talking about here and now. Not a single one in the NFL.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1970_roster.htm
See above 6'2" CB
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Well I personally know of one white CB who was a starter for the Superbowl winning Colts AND he was actually 6'2" tall. Tommy Maxwell drafted in the 2nd as a safety and switched to RCB.
Ancient history....I am talking about here and now. Not a single one in the NFL.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1970_roster.htm
See above 6'2" CB
Ancient history....I am talking about here and now. Not a single one in the NFL.
But if you are ancient it's more like contemporary history.
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Ancient history....I am talking about here and now. Not a single one in the NFL.
But if you are ancient it's more like contemporary history.
But if you are ancient it's more like contemporary history.
In has been like 10 years since a white CB has played. In terms of football player life cycles...that is a long time.
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Picks #1 and #7 as it stands I believe?
Picks #1 and #7 as it stands I believe?
I'm guessing there's no way we actually pick a player with both picks...... Sashi will trade out of one - or both.
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