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  • S SkippinTurtles

    @nero said:

    Another problem with this scenario is that once again you are not going to have a 'veteran presence' in the QB room.

    You will have two rookies and Kizer. No way you are going to dump him after only one year. You need at least to let him develop into a backup and try to get a trade in year 3 of his rookie contract, the earliest. And having 4 quaterbacks is not an option in a 53 player roster.

    Assuming the veteran QB you bring is some good-natured father figure who wants to show a young kid the ropes.  He's probably looking out for himself.  This is where coaching comes in.  With Kizer and two prospects, someone should emerge.  Again, this team has no wins.  1 win in 2 seasons.  This is going to take time.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Assuming the veteran QB you bring is some good-natured father figure who wants to show a young kid the ropes.  He's probably looking out for himself.  This is where coaching comes in.  With Kizer and two prospects, someone should emerge.  Again, this team has no wins.  1 win in 2 seasons.  This is going to take time.

    Every QB looks for himself. There's no "mentoring", or there are veeery few quaterbacks to do so in a professor-student ideal scenario.

    But having a veteran QB allows rookies to learn by watching and listening to them both in the practices and in the meetings. They have experience facing pro offenses and even though they can be labbeled as 'bad', they have way more studying hours than 1/2 year quaterbacks and that's something rookies can benefit of. 

  • NeroN Nero

    Another problem with this scenario is that once again you are not going to have a 'veteran presence' in the QB room.

    You will have two rookies and Kizer. No way you are going to dump him after only one year. You need at least to let him develop into a backup and try to get a trade in year 3 of his rookie contract, the earliest. And having 4 quaterbacks is not an option in a 53 player roster.

    @nero said:

    Another problem with this scenario is that once again you are not going to have a 'veteran presence' in the QB room.

    You will have two rookies and Kizer. No way you are going to dump him after only one year. You need at least to let him develop into a backup and try to get a trade in year 3 of his rookie contract, the earliest. And having 4 quaterbacks is not an option in a 53 player roster.

    Dat's what I said! More likely is drafting a QB with 1st pick and then grabbing another one like the kid from Virginia in a later round. As much as I personally don't think Kizer has what it takes to be our franchise type QB, it's way too early to write him completely off. I'm pretty sure there weren't a ton of people saying Jared Goff was going to make such a big leap, so he's the guy I keep pointing to whenever I think Kizer is doomed. The ONLY thing that concerns me is Goff received a new coach, and I really don't want to go through that. I'd rather add talent through FA and the draft and see if Kizer develops, and if he doesn't, let's see what the newly drafted guy has up his sleeve. 

    I really want fans to temper expectations and reactions to today's game. This is an awful match-up for so many reasons, and I want fans to to look at the overall arc of Kizer's play and not just his stats against the Bolts. I especially believe Kizer is going to have a solid game against the Packers next week. We just need Josh to get through today unscathed. 

    I still haven't heard if Bolts' probowl CB is playing or still with his family due to his brother's tragic death. That would actually help us quite a bit, and my heart hurts for that man at the moment. We've all had those late night phone calls that are never good news, and it's got to be very tough for him. That being said, if Bolts are without a stud, it might help Kizer and our offense. This won't be like the Jax game where our offense gets 100 tries to score in a close game. The Chargers are GOING to score, and probably a bunch. This is game where we need our offense to score TOUCHDOWNS when in the red zone, and this is an area Kizer and everybody else HAS to improve in. 

  • Watch - it's Browns luck to have Kizer play lights out with two receivers he can't overthrow these next 5 games, retain him as the franchise QB and then stink it up starting from next year on after we select every other position except QB next draft.🙄

    S DieHardBrownsFanD 2 Replies
  • T TexasAg1969

    Watch - it's Browns luck to have Kizer play lights out with two receivers he can't overthrow these next 5 games, retain him as the franchise QB and then stink it up starting from next year on after we select every other position except QB next draft.🙄

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watch - it's Browns luck to have Kizer play lights out with two receivers he can't overthrow these next 5 games, retain him as the franchise QB and then stink it up starting from next year on after we select every other position except QB next draft.🙄

    This can't happen.  Please take it back.  My god what a horrifying scenario.  Kizer has back-up or third string written all over him.  He better not Case Keenum this team out of the first pick.

  • S SkippinTurtles

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watch - it's Browns luck to have Kizer play lights out with two receivers he can't overthrow these next 5 games, retain him as the franchise QB and then stink it up starting from next year on after we select every other position except QB next draft.🙄

    This can't happen.  Please take it back.  My god what a horrifying scenario.  Kizer has back-up or third string written all over him.  He better not Case Keenum this team out of the first pick.

    @skippinturtles said:

    This can't happen.  Please take it back.  My god what a horrifying scenario.  Kizer has back-up or third string written all over him.  He better not Case Keenum this team out of the first pick.

    OK-it was just a nightmare. Go back to sleep.🙄

  • I thought you were setting up a "Return of the JFF" scenario. 😮

    All that was missing was the white horse...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    I thought you were setting up a "Return of the JFF" scenario. 😮

    All that was missing was the white horse...

    @tour2ma said:

    I thought you were setting up a "Return of the JFF" scenario. 😮

    All that was missing was the white horse...

    "Believe me" it was very tempting!😆

    But the horse was black. And the Huey said, "No, no,.................no, no.........you're not the one for me."

  • T TexasAg1969

    Watch - it's Browns luck to have Kizer play lights out with two receivers he can't overthrow these next 5 games, retain him as the franchise QB and then stink it up starting from next year on after we select every other position except QB next draft.🙄

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watch - it's Browns luck to have Kizer play lights out with two receivers he can't overthrow these next 5 games, retain him as the franchise QB and then stink it up starting from next year on after we select every other position except QB next draft.🙄

    Tex, this is Cleveland.  This type of thing could happen very easily.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
    T Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watch - it's Browns luck to have Kizer play lights out with two receivers he can't overthrow these next 5 games, retain him as the franchise QB and then stink it up starting from next year on after we select every other position except QB next draft.🙄

    Tex, this is Cleveland.  This type of thing could happen very easily.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Tex, this is Cleveland.  This type of thing could happen very easily.

    Saddleup!😆 JFF returns!

  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    @texasag1969 said:

    Watch - it's Browns luck to have Kizer play lights out with two receivers he can't overthrow these next 5 games, retain him as the franchise QB and then stink it up starting from next year on after we select every other position except QB next draft.🙄

    Tex, this is Cleveland.  This type of thing could happen very easily.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Tex, this is Cleveland.  This type of thing could happen very easily.

    Whew... dodged one bullet yesterday. 😉

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Rosen doesn't want to play for the Browns.  Better have a back-up plan.  Trade the first pick and still draft 2 QB's.

  • Nobody really wants to play for the Browns. 

    Not now 

    NeroN The GipperT 2 Replies
  • S SD_Tom

    Nobody really wants to play for the Browns. 

    Not now 

    @sd_tom said:

    Nobody really wants to play for the Browns. 

    Not now 

    If someone was willing to join our current roster, that could become even a reason not to draft him. There's no football intelligence on that, lol.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • S SD_Tom

    Nobody really wants to play for the Browns. 

    Not now 

    @sd_tom said:

    Nobody really wants to play for the Browns. 

    Not now 

    In my opinion.....it could take only 3-4 people to turn this around:    A QB, naturally.   HC.   And 1 or 2 other top notch talented players....in the DB or on offense.....perhaps one of each.

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  • NeroN Nero

    @sd_tom said:

    Nobody really wants to play for the Browns. 

    Not now 

    If someone was willing to join our current roster, that could become even a reason not to draft him. There's no football intelligence on that, lol.

    @nero said:

    If someone was willing to join our current roster, that could become even a reason not to draft him. There's no football intelligence on that, lol.

    See my post above.   The fact is, like I said.....3-4 people on the roster would be all it takes to turn things around here.   If a person feels that he doesn't want to come here.....it is, to me, a tacit admission by him that "I am not good enough". And I am talking specifically about a qb.

    I want a guy that believes "I am good enough to be a major reason why this team turns things around.....I see enough talent here such that if I, personally do my job as well as I believe I am capable of doing it...this team can win".  

    So....give me the list of the people that are saying THAT.....not the ones that are whiners. 

    Now...the one caveat on this is this:    IF someone said truthfully  "I just don't want to play for that HC...for Hue Jackson"   Honestly, I am not sure I could fault him for that....if it is that specifically. 

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @nero said:

    If someone was willing to join our current roster, that could become even a reason not to draft him. There's no football intelligence on that, lol.

    See my post above.   The fact is, like I said.....3-4 people on the roster would be all it takes to turn things around here.   If a person feels that he doesn't want to come here.....it is, to me, a tacit admission by him that "I am not good enough". And I am talking specifically about a qb.

    I want a guy that believes "I am good enough to be a major reason why this team turns things around.....I see enough talent here such that if I, personally do my job as well as I believe I am capable of doing it...this team can win".  

    So....give me the list of the people that are saying THAT.....not the ones that are whiners. 

    Now...the one caveat on this is this:    IF someone said truthfully  "I just don't want to play for that HC...for Hue Jackson"   Honestly, I am not sure I could fault him for that....if it is that specifically. 

    @the-gipper said:

    See my post above.   The fact is, like I said.....3-4 people on the roster would be all it takes to turn things around here.   If a person feels that he doesn't want to come here.....it is, to me, a tacit admission by him that "I am not good enough". And I am talking specifically about a qb.

    I want a guy that believes "I am good enough to be a major reason why this team turns things around.....I see enough talent here such that if I, personally do my job as well as I believe I am capable of doing it...this team can win".  

    So....give me the list of the people that are saying THAT.....not the ones that are whiners. 

    Now...the one caveat on this is this:    IF someone said truthfully  "I just don't want to play for that HC...for Hue Jackson"   Honestly, I am not sure I could fault him for that....if it is that specifically. 

    Well said.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @sd_tom said:

    Nobody really wants to play for the Browns. 

    Not now 

    In my opinion.....it could take only 3-4 people to turn this around:    A QB, naturally.   HC.   And 1 or 2 other top notch talented players....in the DB or on offense.....perhaps one of each.

    @the-gipper said:

    In my opinion.....it could take only 3-4 people to turn this around:    A QB, naturally.   HC.   And 1 or 2 other top notch talented players....in the DB or on offense.....perhaps one of each.

    I absolutely agree. It's a matter of selling it to whomever they have high on their board and getting them to buy in.

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