Clemson, Oklahoma, Georgia and Alabama picked for College Playoff
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If you lose 2 games in college football you can't get too upset that you were left out. I still think a reasonable argument can be made for Ohio State but think there is also a reasonable argument for Alabama. The sure way to make the playoffs win all your games but that is easier said than done. Still a good season for the Buckeyes.
If you lose 2 games in college football you can't get too upset that you were left out. I still think a reasonable argument can be made for Ohio State but think there is also a reasonable argument for Alabama. The sure way to make the playoffs win all your games but that is easier said than done. Still a good season for the Buckeyes.
It may be as simple as this: There has never been a 2 loss team in these playoffs in the now 4 or so years they have been running, and the committee didn't want to go that way this time.
Then you have to ask yourself: who then only had 1 loss? Well...there was UCF...only undefeated team...but they were not going to pick them.
And there was Wisconsin. Only loss to Ohio St. On resume alone, Wisconsin may actually have had the better credentials. There loss was to OSU, Bama to Auburn.....OSU ended up ranked higher than Auburn. Both had what I ...and everyone else, considered weak schedules. Both OSU and USC had much stronger strength of schedules...but both had two losses.
So...between Alabama and Wisc. it came down to only possibly a few things: A. Wisconsin just lost the previous day...where Bama had the good sense to lose a week earlier B. They went by reputation alone or C. it came down to the "eye" test....they just thought Bama was a better team.
The last one is what they professed....but honestly....I think that the last one was influenced by A and B. They thought Bama looked better because in the past Bama has been better, and they forgot how Bama was overwhelmingly manhandled by Auburn. While Wisc. lost to OSU...I wouldn't call it an overwhelming manhandling. Wisc. just could not keep up with OSU's quick strike ability. So...to me...it all boils down to B: they chose Bama out of reputation alone.
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If you lose 2 games in college football you can't get too upset that you were left out. I still think a reasonable argument can be made for Ohio State but think there is also a reasonable argument for Alabama. The sure way to make the playoffs win all your games but that is easier said than done. Still a good season for the Buckeyes.
Alabama goes into the weekend ranked #5.
They don’t even play a game, and move up to #4???
Alabama goes into the weekend ranked #5.
They don’t even play a game, and move up to #4???
Teams ranked ahead of them lost.
Ohio State got this same "advantage" last year, to be fair.
Moral of the story: At least half the time now....it is better for a team to NOT even participate in their conference Championship game....as long as you only have 1 loss. By not playing you avoid the chance of suffering another loss.
Face it, this was actually one year when the Big 12 could have used not having a Championship game. If OK does not play a game...they would still be in....but if they had played and lost...they were out. But they did win...so that solidified their berth in the CFP.
Losing DID kick Wisconsin out. Losing kicked Auburn out. Losing kicked Miami out.
NOT playing helped Bama get in....as it did OSU last year.
The more interesting scenario would have been: what if Alabama had beaten Auburn, then lost to Georgia in the SEC title game. Both Auburn and Alabama very well could have been out.
Alabama would have then have had their only loss in the SEC title game. Like Wisconsin....would they have considered putting in a 1 loss team where that loss had just happened the previous day?
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Alabama goes into the weekend ranked #5.
They don’t even play a game, and move up to #4???
It happens. The Iowa loss, the "eye" test and the Big 10 being down a bit this year cost OSU.
It happens. The Iowa loss, the "eye" test and the Big 10 being down a bit this year cost OSU.
The Big Ten was not down. The Big Ten may have very well been the best conference in the game overall.
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The Big 10 being down?
I recall Michigan throttling Florida 33-17 this year.
The committee suffers from SEC bias.
I’m going to enjoy watching the tide get rolled by Clemson.
Florida stunk. Alabama, Auburn and Georgia are cumulatively better than Ohio State, Penn State & Wisconsin and as a Sooner fan better than OU, TCU & Oklahoma State
Florida stunk. Alabama, Auburn and Georgia are cumulatively better than Ohio State, Penn State & Wisconsin and as a Sooner fan better than OU, TCU & Oklahoma State
Ohio State, Penn St. Wisconsin, Michigan St. Michigan, Northwestern, Iowa.......collectively were better than the SECs top half:
And, record wise you are wrong. Ohio State, PSU and Wisconsin were a combined 33-5. Bama, Auburn and GA had the same 33-5 record. But note: the SEC teams only played 8 conference games...where the Big Ten played 9. Ergo...the SEC doubles up on cupcakes. While the Big Ten played a few "lesser lights"..they only had the chance really to play 1 team like that. The SEC schedules at least 2. And nowhere on any Big Ten schedule will you see them playing FCS schools, like Mercer or the Citadel, or Louisiana-Monroe.
By getting 2 teams into the playoffs, this committee is actually rewarding the SEC for their weak butt scheduling. The Big Ten, Pac 10, ACC, Big 12 all play a 9 game conference schedule....the SEC only plays 8 conference games.
If I were the Commissioners of the other conferences....I would make a demand that the SEC play the same number of conference games as the rest of them do......and that any game agains an FCS opponent should count as a half loss.
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agree that it's eyeball test. Bama was regarded as the best team in the country by most pundits for most of the season. I don't think Ohio State was ever once considered the same throughout the entire season.
Furthermore, Alabama would be favored easily against Ohio State, and Michigan State, and Penn State, and Wisconsin. Yeah, Ohio State fans want to pimp beating Wisconsin yesterday as some kind of trump card. You think Alabama wouldn't have done the same?
Florida state was regarded as the #3 team in the country week one. They weren't. Alabama was regarded as the #1 team in the country, they weren't. So....what some team WAS regarded at some point in time during the season is irrelevant. The question is: what were they on the day of the selection.
And...the fact is Ohio State WAS considerd to be about the #1 team in the country at some point. After that first week they were ranked #2. So...like I said, previous rankings don't mean shite.
And the only "pimping" that came with the OSU defeat of Wisconsin is this simple fact: they played and won their conference championship...and Alabama wasn't even considered really to be in the top 2 in their conference.
Now...again, to be fair, Ohio St. got this same advantage last year.
I think the bottom line is this: Alabama took advantage of a weak schedule to come out with only 1 loss. They had the advantage of not playing the previous day. They got the 4th position by default because the committee: A. determined that they still did not want a 2 loss team in their playoff and B. didn't want to put a team in that had just lost the previous day (Wisconsin). With these determining factors they concluded that Alabama was the best team to put in.
I mean, so be it.
Like I said above though....the other conferences need to put pressure on the SEC to up their game by mandating the 9 conf. games that everyone else does....not the 8 games they play now.
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Sheet happens. Can't lose to Iowa let alone the way we did.
Still, I'm all about consistency and this committee doesn't have it.
What would have been inconsistent is putting Ohio State in based on the exact antithesis of the arguments that put Ohio State in last year. How on earth did consistency not favor Bama this year?
I think it is all about the eyeball test. OSU losing to Iowa is where they failed that.
If they were looking at straight credentials.....OSU, Wisconsin, USC may have all had better cases than Alabama.
In terms of Strength of Schedule, quality wins, conference championships. They are all better than Bama.
But Bama had only the one loss, and no "bad ones" like OSU did.
Of course, it helped that they had what amounted to a pretty cupcake schedule. "Their best wins were A. The supposed big game on their schedule, FSU, turned out to not be much. Did FSU even finish with a winning record? And LSU was not a very good team either. Lost to Troy St. Their resume was not even as good as Wisconsin's. 1 loss only, but Wisc. lost to Ohio St. ...and they played them a tough game. Bama lost to Auburn who rode rough shod over them. And compare the rest of the schedule. Say what you want about the Big Ten West....it was every bit as tough as the SEC West.
But no, they didn't have a bad loss like OSU....they just had like -0- quality wins.
So...bottom line, bad losses trump few quality wins and a conf. title.
I agree that it's eyeball test. Bama was regarded as the best team in the country by most pundits for most of the season. I don't think Ohio State was ever once considered the same throughout the entire season.
Furthermore, Alabama would be favored easily against Ohio State, and Michigan State, and Penn State, and Wisconsin. Yeah, Ohio State fans want to pimp beating Wisconsin yesterday as some kind of trump card. You think Alabama wouldn't have done the same?
The Big 10 being down?
I recall Michigan throttling Florida 33-17 this year.
The committee suffers from SEC bias.
I’m going to enjoy watching the tide get rolled by Clemson.
4-7 Florida?
You realize had the committee gone with OSU everyone around the country would say it has bias for Ohio State?
Bama's favored....
Osu has 2 top 4 win bama 0
osu has 3 top 15 wins bama 0
osu won division and conference bama did neither
osu the only team in the nation ranked in the top 10 in total offense and defense
Osu plays 9 conference games bama 8
bama did not travel out of the south or play a home and home only nuetral field and play fcs school
It was not even a question who should have been in
FSU was a top 4 win for Bama. And when did Ohio State travel out of the north for a game this year?
"It was not even a question who should have been in." Just make sure you ignore all our arguments from last year. Okie dokie.
What would have been inconsistent is putting Ohio State in based on the exact antithesis of the arguments that put Ohio State in last year. How on earth did consistency not favor Bama this year?
I agree that it's eyeball test. Bama was regarded as the best team in the country by most pundits for most of the season. I don't think Ohio State was ever once considered the same throughout the entire season.
Furthermore, Alabama would be favored easily against Ohio State, and Michigan State, and Penn State, and Wisconsin. Yeah, Ohio State fans want to pimp beating Wisconsin yesterday as some kind of trump card. You think Alabama wouldn't have done the same?
4-7 Florida?
You realize had the committee gone with OSU everyone around the country would say it has bias for Ohio State?
Bama's favored....
FSU was a top 4 win for Bama. And when did Ohio State travel out of the north for a game this year?
"It was not even a question who should have been in." Just make sure you ignore all our arguments from last year. Okie dokie.
Ohio State's loss to Iowa essentially eliminated them. We understand that.
And actually it may be that other teams had better arguments for inclusion than either of them.
In fact, in a "blind test" that was given by ESPN....showing ONLY certain teams credentials...not their names...the vast majority of people said that of 4 teams, Team C should have been the team to make the playoffs.
That team was USC...not Alabama or OSU, or Wisconsin, which were the other 4 teams shown.
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I wonder if old Nick still feels this way. . .
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Obviously I like Ohio State. I root for them every week. I may go to the Cotton Bowl in a few weeks. But that loss to Iowa is an embarrassment. Win that game and you're in no question. Heck, lose by a respectable number and you're probably in no question. But that bad loss is a disqualifier.
And besides, if you think Ohio State would beat Clemson or any of the other playoff teams right now, you're smoking rocks. I honestly don't think they'd hang within 10 of any of them except maybe OU because their styles match up. I think part of the reason the committee chose Bama was because of the egg OSU laid against Clemson last year while Bama and Clemson have played two absolute barn burners.
It just wasn't OSU's year. They still won 10 games. Come back in 2018. GO BUCKS
11-2 going into OSU vs USC, should be a good game.....ironically possibly the future BROWNS QB preview in that game in Texas.
The B1G had to be perfect or a one loss OSU to get one in the final four. SEC bias? Maybe depending on how you look at it. The BUCKEYES lost their guaranteed shot in Iowa.
THE BUCKEYES should be good in 2018 but now the seemingly endless bowl games many not filled a 16 team playoff would remedy some of that.
11-2 going into OSU vs USC, should be a good game.....ironically possibly the future BROWNS QB preview in that game in Texas.
The B1G had to be perfect or a one loss OSU to get one in the final four. SEC bias? Maybe depending on how you look at it. The BUCKEYES lost their guaranteed shot in Iowa.
THE BUCKEYES should be good in 2018 but now the seemingly endless bowl games many not filled a 16 team playoff would remedy some of that.
Again, the SEC "bias" may not be a bias so much as it is a fact that the SEC plays fewer conference games.....and schedules more cupcakes r than any other conference....ergo in fact avoiding losing another game. Here is a breakdown of their non-conf. schedule this year, 2017:
Power 5 Conferences Record
ACC 5–4
Big Ten 0–2
Big 12 1–1
Pac-12 0–2
Power 5 Total 6–9
BYU & Notre Dame: 3-0
Other FBS ConferencesRecord
American 1–0
C-USA 7–0
Independents (Excluding BYU & Notre Dame) 2–0
MAC 1–0
Mountain West 2–0
Sun Belt 10–1
Other FBS Total 23–1
FCS OpponentsRecord Football Championship Subdivision 13–0
Total Non-Conference Record 45–10
Notes: Against the other P5 conferences, not including BYU and Notre Dame, they were 6-9......but 3-0 vs. BYU/ND.
They played 13 games this year vs. FCS foes. In comparison....the Big Ten played -0- games against FCS (This is an outright embarassment)
For the SEC to gain MY personal respect they need to do the following:
A. Schedule 9 conference games....like all the other P5 conferences do. That would reduce their non-conf. games from 55 to 41 games. A reduction of 14.
No longer schedule FCS foes. Of the 14 non conf. games...just eliminating the games vs. FCS and making those games vs. SEC foes, that would basically account for it. All P5 teams have their non P5 games. But none of the other schedule the FCS cupcakes like the SEC does.
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Plain and simple the committee changes there rules and makes excuses to put whom ever they want in sec bias alieve and well this has Espn's doing all over it and if people want to bitch about osu's loss to Iowa then the clear next team was USC and they should have been in over bama and people want to say eye test than the clear team was osu who is the only team THE ONLY TEAM to be ranked in the top ten on d and o the buckeyes season swung on there qb giving the ball away
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Plain and simple the committee changes there rules and makes excuses to put whom ever they want in sec bias alieve and well this has Espn's doing all over it and if people want to bitch about osu's loss to Iowa then the clear next team was USC and they should have been in over bama and people want to say eye test than the clear team was osu who is the only team THE ONLY TEAM to be ranked in the top ten on d and o the buckeyes season swung on there qb giving the ball away
Plain and simple the committee changes there rules and makes excuses to put whom ever they want in sec bias alieve and well this has Espn's doing all over it and if people want to bitch about osu's loss to Iowa then the clear next team was USC and they should have been in over bama and people want to say eye test than the clear team was osu who is the only team THE ONLY TEAM to be ranked in the top ten on d and o the buckeyes season swung on there qb giving the ball away
USC got drummed by a 3 loss Notre Dame. You can't have a one sided throttling by more than 30 points on your record and expect to make it into the playoff. That goes for OSU and USC.
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Bama played nobody this year like every year they only play 8 conference games like Clemson and play an fcs school they lost the one tuff game and got dominated by auburn and auburn got boat races by Georgia bama does not belong schedule better and leave the south and play home and home then they have a argument
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On top of that bama couldn't get blown out the teams they played are all heavy run and they have played no elite qbs this year so no chance to get blow out bama is an illusion and the sec will get exposed as well as the acc and the committee will look like a bag of dicks as usual
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Bama played nobody this year like every year they only play 8 conference games like Clemson and play an fcs school they lost the one tuff game and got dominated by auburn and auburn got boat races by Georgia bama does not belong schedule better and leave the south and play home and home then they have a argument
Bama played nobody this year like every year they only play 8 conference games like Clemson and play an fcs school they lost the one tuff game and got dominated by auburn and auburn got boat races by Georgia bama does not belong schedule better and leave the south and play home and home then they have a argument
Bama was the next worthy team. USC and OSU had terrible losses on their records. Given those two teams didn't deserve to get into the playoff, who do you think got overlooked?
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On top of that bama couldn't get blown out the teams they played are all heavy run and they have played no elite qbs this year so no chance to get blow out bama is an illusion and the sec will get exposed as well as the acc and the committee will look like a bag of dicks as usual
On top of that bama couldn't get blown out the teams they played are all heavy run and they have played no elite qbs this year so no chance to get blow out bama is an illusion and the sec will get exposed as well as the acc and the committee will look like a bag of dicks as usual
Ah so this is a Big 10 whine fest.
Clemson did some exposing last year but it had nothing to do with the ACC.....
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On top of that bama couldn't get blown out the teams they played are all heavy run and they have played no elite qbs this year so no chance to get blow out bama is an illusion and the sec will get exposed as well as the acc and the committee will look like a bag of dicks as usual
Ah so this is a Big 10 whine fest.
Clemson did some exposing last year but it had nothing to do with the ACC.....
Ah so this is a Big 10 whine fest.
Clemson did some exposing last year but it had nothing to do with the ACC.....
I think Clemson is going to expose everyone this year...including Nick Saban and company.
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Bama played nobody this year like every year they only play 8 conference games like Clemson and play an fcs school they lost the one tuff game and got dominated by auburn and auburn got boat races by Georgia bama does not belong schedule better and leave the south and play home and home then they have a argument
Bama was the next worthy team. USC and OSU had terrible losses on their records. Given those two teams didn't deserve to get into the playoff, who do you think got overlooked?
Bama was the next worthy team. USC and OSU had terrible losses on their records. Given those two teams didn't deserve to get into the playoff, who do you think got overlooked?
A game against an FCS team should be looked as a loss. In my opinion.
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On top of that bama couldn't get blown out the teams they played are all heavy run and they have played no elite qbs this year so no chance to get blow out bama is an illusion and the sec will get exposed as well as the acc and the committee will look like a bag of dicks as usual
Ah so this is a Big 10 whine fest.
Clemson did some exposing last year but it had nothing to do with the ACC.....
Ah so this is a Big 10 whine fest.
Clemson did some exposing last year but it had nothing to do with the ACC.....
It goes in cycles. I seem to recall the Big 10 doing some exposing at times as well.
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Here is another point:
The ACC is just about as bad at scheduling FCS opponents. Their teams had 11 of them on their schedules this year.
The likes of Citadel, Furman, Presbyterian, Murray St. Central Connecticut, Delaware, Jacksonville St. Youngstown St. (Pitt), William and Mary, North Carolina Central, Old Dominion.
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The Big 12 still had several games vs. FCS schools like: Jackson St. Delaware St. Cental Arkansas, Northern Iowa, Eastern Washington, SE Missouri Sts.....and Baylor played Liberty and LOST.
7 games
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The Pac 12 is still playing FCS:
Montana, Montana St. Southern Utah, Weber St. Portland St, Northern Arizona, North Dakota, Northern Colorado
8 games.
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