Ryan Shazier Injury
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I don't like either the Steelers or Bengals, but the cheap shots HAVE to stop before someone's life is lost. It just reinforces (at least in my mind) what I think should be done......
1) Player throwing the dirty hit ejected with loss of game check & suspended for the NEXT game (playoffs included).
2) If the hit results in injury to the other player, the offending player will be suspended for every game that the injured player misses due to said injury in addition to #1 above.
Too simple? Too harsh? Maybe, but it would send a much stronger message than "chump change" fines & the current slaps on the hands.
Just my opinion folks.
Mike
I don't like either the Steelers or Bengals, but the cheap shots HAVE to stop before someone's life is lost. It just reinforces (at least in my mind) what I think should be done......
1) Player throwing the dirty hit ejected with loss of game check & suspended for the NEXT game (playoffs included).
2) If the hit results in injury to the other player, the offending player will be suspended for every game that the injured player misses due to said injury in addition to #1 above.
Too simple? Too harsh? Maybe, but it would send a much stronger message than "chump change" fines & the current slaps on the hands.
Just my opinion folks.
Mike
and when said player injured is the one who initiates cheap shot by leading/spearing with helmet?
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I don't like either the Steelers or Bengals, but the cheap shots HAVE to stop before someone's life is lost. It just reinforces (at least in my mind) what I think should be done......
1) Player throwing the dirty hit ejected with loss of game check & suspended for the NEXT game (playoffs included).
2) If the hit results in injury to the other player, the offending player will be suspended for every game that the injured player misses due to said injury in addition to #1 above.
Too simple? Too harsh? Maybe, but it would send a much stronger message than "chump change" fines & the current slaps on the hands.
Just my opinion folks.
Mike
and when said player injured is the one who initiates cheap shot by leading/spearing with helmet?
and when said player injured is the one who initiates cheap shot by leading/spearing with helmet?
I had just thought of this after I posted, Mik. Of course, his "self inflicted" injury may be enough, but the loss of game check PLUS an additional game suspension would apply, suspension to be served immediately after recovery from his injury.
Mike
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I am in Vegas. This was a disturbing game. Burfict got laid oit with a helmet hit.
What the fukck is wrong with these idiots. How can you watch this and not be sick to your stomach?
Vicious. Uncalled for. I may joke but this was not enjoyable to watch.
Great medicine or not wjen your legs quit, your prognosis is not good.
I don't think the NFL is going to be around on the not too distand future.
These hate is worse than any Browns Steeler rivalry ever was.
Sad day for the sport we love.
I am in Vegas. This was a disturbing game. Burfict got laid oit with a helmet hit.
What the fukck is wrong with these idiots. How can you watch this and not be sick to your stomach?
Vicious. Uncalled for. I may joke but this was not enjoyable to watch.
Great medicine or not wjen your legs quit, your prognosis is not good.
I don't think the NFL is going to be around on the not too distand future.
These hate is worse than any Browns Steeler rivalry ever was.
Sad day for the sport we love.
Give out a couple of lifetime bans and watch things clean up in a season.
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Anyone who played football at any level can tell you without hesitation what happened to Ryan can happen to anyone. You practice heads up tackling your whole life, but sometimes that Sheet doesn't happen-it's the nature of the game.It's great there's more of an emphasis on it but it's not like they didn't teach proper tackling for a long time. It sounds like he's gonna be okay but that was scary as hell, hate to see it.
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I don’t want to see, view or be part of anything animal or human getting hurt or killed.
Unfortunately it’s an everyday occurrence because of war or strife.
But for anyone to go in front of a mic and make some BS excuse to feel sorry for a perpetrator is like having an ex-boss come into court on my behalf and try explain away why it’s not my fault for going into McDonald’s and killing 16 people. Bad analogy maybe but think about how ridiculous these massive ego coaches walk around as if they don’t know their guy is carrying an AK.
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The last player paralysis event I can recall is the NYG lineman who was landed on by a leaping defender in a FG situation IIRC. It led to the leaping rule.
I wrote a couple years ago about a "crown-of-the-helmet" rule. Although at the time I proposed it as a helmet-to-helmet alternative, I think we'll see it now and it will govern all contact, everywhere.
Sometimes rules are needed to protect people from themselves.
I'm not a lip-reader, but someone claims to be.
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The problem with players and the NFL is that tackling = launching and leaving the ground. Launching one's self off the ground like a war head is stupid and dangerous. The solution can be easily fixed, IMO, and all we would need to do is look at the sport of Rugby. In Rugby, they actually tackle. Imagine that. They pursue and wrap up the ball carrier, below the waste until a knee hits the ground. Player is now "down". I know it's not as exciting at seeing someone being paralyzed or knocked unconscious, but if we want to see Football survive, launching off the ground, to "Hit" a player with shoulders, helmet, etc., should be outlawed with immediate ejection, suspension and heavy fines.
I'm not saying that Rugby is a safer sport as it's not and Rugby has it's own injuries to deal with, even players being paralyzed. But perhaps with the protection that is given with the pads of football and forcing players to actually pursue, wrap, and "tackle" instead of launching, could bring about a positive change for the players themselves.
In short, outlaw leaving the ground, other than to dive and swipe at the ankles of an opponent in front of you, should be immediately made illegal, personal foul, ejection, and a fine.Thoughts?
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Anyone who played football at any level can tell you without hesitation what happened to Ryan can happen to anyone. You practice heads up tackling your whole life, but sometimes that Sheet doesn't happen-it's the nature of the game.It's great there's more of an emphasis on it but it's not like they didn't teach proper tackling for a long time. It sounds like he's gonna be okay but that was scary as hell, hate to see it.
Anyone who played football at any level can tell you without hesitation what happened to Ryan can happen to anyone. You practice heads up tackling your whole life, but sometimes that Sheet doesn't happen-it's the nature of the game.It's great there's more of an emphasis on it but it's not like they didn't teach proper tackling for a long time. It sounds like he's gonna be okay but that was scary as hell, hate to see it.
The prob is shazier never keeps his eyes up. Every hit is leading with his crown. When i saw people talking about this injury i hadnt seen it myself, but check post #2.....i knew it before i seen it. Its just what he does
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I am in Vegas. This was a disturbing game. Burfict got laid oit with a helmet hit.
What the fukck is wrong with these idiots. How can you watch this and not be sick to your stomach?
Vicious. Uncalled for. I may joke but this was not enjoyable to watch.
Great medicine or not wjen your legs quit, your prognosis is not good.
I don't think the NFL is going to be around on the not too distand future.
These hate is worse than any Browns Steeler rivalry ever was.
Sad day for the sport we love.
Give out a couple of lifetime bans and watch things clean up in a season.
Give out a couple of lifetime bans and watch things clean up in a season.
If he ends up paralyzed....would that suffice for your "lifetime ban"?
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He's not paralyzed. Current diagnosis as released is spinal cord concussion.
Potentially less important to Ryan is the fact that he's no longer starting for me in fantasy on Thursday.
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He's not paralyzed. Current diagnosis as released is spinal cord concussion.
Potentially less important to Ryan is the fact that he's no longer starting for me in fantasy on Thursday.
He's not paralyzed. Current diagnosis as released is spinal cord concussion.
Potentially less important to Ryan is the fact that he's no longer starting for me in fantasy on Thursday.
So? You can get concussions elsewhere besides the head? I didn't see a prognosis.
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Your next mission, should you choose to accept it: click on and read the link provided within the text you quoted..
Concussion was said night of injury / Contusion is what's said this morning / Won't be definitive until tomorrow evening or thereabouts. Full recovery has been made from both.. concussion is 1-2 games at most [probably back if Sunday but since their next game is Thursday he'd miss this one regardless] while contusion is season-ending but not lingering.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Anyone who played football at any level can tell you without hesitation what happened to Ryan can happen to anyone. You practice heads up tackling your whole life, but sometimes that Sheet doesn't happen-it's the nature of the game.It's great there's more of an emphasis on it but it's not like they didn't teach proper tackling for a long time. It sounds like he's gonna be okay but that was scary as hell, hate to see it.
The prob is shazier never keeps his eyes up. Every hit is leading with his crown. When i saw people talking about this injury i hadnt seen it myself, but check post #2.....i knew it before i seen it. Its just what he does
The prob is shazier never keeps his eyes up. Every hit is leading with his crown. When i saw people talking about this injury i hadnt seen it myself, but check post #2.....i knew it before i seen it. Its just what he does
According to who exactly? That's never something I noticed at Ohio State, and I don't watch the Steelers enough to know. If he always did that, he'd be dead. It doesn't take a football guru to know without looking he hurt himself that badly by leading with the crown. I'm just saying even though I was taught from age 10 to lead with the head up, this type of tackle just happens from time to time. It has nothing to do with "dirty", just reacting to the player who in this case dipped down oh so slightly to cause Shazier (and many others) to go at a different launch angle. That's always, always, always going to happen.
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every hit in the NFl COULD end up being a Boom Boom Mancini fatal death blow.
hit them high and get concussion, neck or shoulder/chest injury. hit them square in the torso and rupture an organ. hit them low and they might never walk the same (if at all again).
is a multi-million $$$ contract worth that risk. obviously to 95% of athletes across all sports think so.
mama can live lovely in her mansion and she buries her kid.
until coaches and NFL demand proper tackling techniques the egos of douchebags like tomlin, harbaugh and lewis will continue to grow and dismiss such tactics as 'even-steven' payback.
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Your next mission, should you choose to accept it: click on and read the link provided within the text you quoted..
Concussion was said night of injury / Contusion is what's said this morning / Won't be definitive until tomorrow evening or thereabouts. Full recovery has been made from both.. concussion is 1-2 games at most [probably back if Sunday but since their next game is Thursday he'd miss this one regardless] while contusion is season-ending but not lingering.
Your next mission, should you choose to accept it: click on and read the link provided within the text you quoted..
Concussion was said night of injury / Contusion is what's said this morning / Won't be definitive until tomorrow evening or thereabouts. Full recovery has been made from both.. concussion is 1-2 games at most [probably back if Sunday but since their next game is Thursday he'd miss this one regardless] while contusion is season-ending but not lingering.
fake news needs instant answers even if wrong.
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The prob is shazier never keeps his eyes up. Every hit is leading with his crown. When i saw people talking about this injury i hadnt seen it myself, but check post #2.....i knew it before i seen it. Its just what he does
According to who exactly? That's never something I noticed at Ohio State, and I don't watch the Steelers enough to know. If he always did that, he'd be dead. It doesn't take a football guru to know without looking he hurt himself that badly by leading with the crown. I'm just saying even though I was taught from age 10 to lead with the head up, this type of tackle just happens from time to time. It has nothing to do with "dirty", just reacting to the player who in this case dipped down oh so slightly to cause Shazier (and many others) to go at a different launch angle. That's always, always, always going to happen.
According to who exactly? That's never something I noticed at Ohio State, and I don't watch the Steelers enough to know. If he always did that, he'd be dead. It doesn't take a football guru to know without looking he hurt himself that badly by leading with the crown. I'm just saying even though I was taught from age 10 to lead with the head up, this type of tackle just happens from time to time. It has nothing to do with "dirty", just reacting to the player who in this case dipped down oh so slightly to cause Shazier (and many others) to go at a different launch angle. That's always, always, always going to happen.
I can't comment on his time at OSU, but i'll bet anything he had the habit back then too. But for sure since he's been with pgh the dude is constantly leading with his crown. Which when ur tackling ball carriers ur not gonna get whistled for. But he's hit QB's and defenseless receivers the exact same way he went for that tackle last night. I don't want to call it "dirty" necessarily...it's just ingrained habit. But when he puts that crown underneath the chin strap of defenseless receivers I cant help but think this is the pgh mentality coming out. Do it till you get flagged, chill, do it again later.
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I am in Vegas. This was a disturbing game. Burfict got laid oit with a helmet hit.
What the fukck is wrong with these idiots. How can you watch this and not be sick to your stomach?
Vicious. Uncalled for. I may joke but this was not enjoyable to watch.
Great medicine or not wjen your legs quit, your prognosis is not good.
I don't think the NFL is going to be around on the not too distand future.
These hate is worse than any Browns Steeler rivalry ever was.
Sad day for the sport we love.
I am in Vegas. This was a disturbing game. Burfict got laid oit with a helmet hit.
What the fukck is wrong with these idiots. How can you watch this and not be sick to your stomach?
Vicious. Uncalled for. I may joke but this was not enjoyable to watch.
Great medicine or not wjen your legs quit, your prognosis is not good.
I don't think the NFL is going to be around on the not too distand future.
These hate is worse than any Browns Steeler rivalry ever was.
Sad day for the sport we love.
you might be right about the nfl not being around sometime in the future...who knows...i do know that i don't watch as much nfl football and it all started with the kapernick cowpoop...the rule chgs are so Shmucked up....one roughing the qb penalty might not be roughing in another game...i see this Sheet seems like a million times...i have free nfl sunday ticket for the last 3 yrs and have hardly watched it...did not see the shazier incident last night...did not even watch the game to the end....losing alot of interest overall. i do know this, most of my buds that i keep in touch with don't watch the nfl at all for yrs now....back in the day we all had our favorite teams...mine of course was the browns because of jim brown...we were all from eastern pa. and not a one of us rooted for the eagles...they were so bad back then...there were cowboys, vikings, colts, rams fans....boy those were the days....we all would raz each other when our teams would lose or win....i miss those days...
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I don't like either the Steelers or Bengals, but the cheap shots HAVE to stop before someone's life is lost. It just reinforces (at least in my mind) what I think should be done......
1) Player throwing the dirty hit ejected with loss of game check & suspended for the NEXT game (playoffs included).
2) If the hit results in injury to the other player, the offending player will be suspended for every game that the injured player misses due to said injury in addition to #1 above.
Too simple? Too harsh? Maybe, but it would send a much stronger message than "chump change" fines & the current slaps on the hands.
Just my opinion folks.
Mike
I don't like either the Steelers or Bengals, but the cheap shots HAVE to stop before someone's life is lost. It just reinforces (at least in my mind) what I think should be done......
1) Player throwing the dirty hit ejected with loss of game check & suspended for the NEXT game (playoffs included).
2) If the hit results in injury to the other player, the offending player will be suspended for every game that the injured player misses due to said injury in addition to #1 above.
Too simple? Too harsh? Maybe, but it would send a much stronger message than "chump change" fines & the current slaps on the hands.
Just my opinion folks.
Mike
Right on the money Mike. The officials in this game should have been ejecting people left and right. There were likely 4 legit opportunities to eject players in the game. I also agree completely on the fines. $25K is about the same as standing in the corner for 15 minutes. Nuke whole game checks or multiple game checks and you MIGHT get their attention. Also if they actually start using ejections make it so if you get 2 you are done for the entire year.
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I am in Vegas. This was a disturbing game. Burfict got laid oit with a helmet hit.
What the fukck is wrong with these idiots. How can you watch this and not be sick to your stomach?
Vicious. Uncalled for. I may joke but this was not enjoyable to watch.
Great medicine or not wjen your legs quit, your prognosis is not good.
I don't think the NFL is going to be around on the not too distand future.
These hate is worse than any Browns Steeler rivalry ever was.
Sad day for the sport we love.
you might be right about the nfl not being around sometime in the future...who knows...i do know that i don't watch as much nfl football and it all started with the kapernick cowpoop...the rule chgs are so Shmucked up....one roughing the qb penalty might not be roughing in another game...i see this Sheet seems like a million times...i have free nfl sunday ticket for the last 3 yrs and have hardly watched it...did not see the shazier incident last night...did not even watch the game to the end....losing alot of interest overall. i do know this, most of my buds that i keep in touch with don't watch the nfl at all for yrs now....back in the day we all had our favorite teams...mine of course was the browns because of jim brown...we were all from eastern pa. and not a one of us rooted for the eagles...they were so bad back then...there were cowboys, vikings, colts, rams fans....boy those were the days....we all would raz each other when our teams would lose or win....i miss those days...
you might be right about the nfl not being around sometime in the future...who knows...i do know that i don't watch as much nfl football and it all started with the kapernick cowpoop...the rule chgs are so Shmucked up....one roughing the qb penalty might not be roughing in another game...i see this Sheet seems like a million times...i have free nfl sunday ticket for the last 3 yrs and have hardly watched it...did not see the shazier incident last night...did not even watch the game to the end....losing alot of interest overall. i do know this, most of my buds that i keep in touch with don't watch the nfl at all for yrs now....back in the day we all had our favorite teams...mine of course was the browns because of jim brown...we were all from eastern pa. and not a one of us rooted for the eagles...they were so bad back then...there were cowboys, vikings, colts, rams fans....boy those were the days....we all would raz each other when our teams would lose or win....i miss those days...
Well said. You know, over the course of losing my Mom and dealing with a few other things, I started to go back in time with regards to this board, and my acerbic blasts. I too, like you, have watched less and less football in recent times. I think a lot of our friends here have also. Each of us have pet peeves and are turned off for different reasons, but as you look at fan dissatisfaction as a whole, for all of us, most of it stems from the same thing; the lack of morals, ethics, common respect and decency. We have forgiven the NFL and it's players so, so very much. It's like they keep cutting us, we bleed, and we come back for more. Always taking advantage of our love for the game, and not realizing that it is not our love for them that keeps us coming back.
Like the guy after you posted, I don't like either of these teams, but who the hail wants to watch poor behavior, brutality, disrespect and downright criminal violence? How much of this schidt do these jackoffs think we are going to take? Hell, I am not a Father, but I can't imagine if I had a son taking him to games and pointing our life lessons to him the way our Dad's did at ball games.
You know, when Ghoolie can't even find a macabre sick twist of humor in these things, something is really screwed up.
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I don’t want to see, view or be part of anything animal or human getting hurt or killed.
Unfortunately it’s an everyday occurrence because of war or strife.
But for anyone to go in front of a mic and make some BS excuse to feel sorry for a perpetrator is like having an ex-boss come into court on my behalf and try explain away why it’s not my fault for going into McDonald’s and killing 16 people. Bad analogy maybe but think about how ridiculous these massive ego coaches walk around as if they don’t know their guy is carrying an AK.
I don’t want to see, view or be part of anything animal or human getting hurt or killed.
Unfortunately it’s an everyday occurrence because of war or strife.
But for anyone to go in front of a mic and make some BS excuse to feel sorry for a perpetrator is like having an ex-boss come into court on my behalf and try explain away why it’s not my fault for going into McDonald’s and killing 16 people. Bad analogy maybe but think about how ridiculous these massive ego coaches walk around as if they don’t know their guy is carrying an AK.
As the king of hard talk, I agree with you. I think there was a great opportunity here to be BOTH compassionate, and candid. You can pray for a man, wish him well and lament the horror of him being hurt, and at the same time point out that his dirty style may have just taught him a horrible lesson.
I believe if you, me, or any of us were gifted enough to play pro football, none of us would lead head first, both for our own safety and out of respect for the well being of our opponents.
Is it more than coincidental that two head hunters got hurt yesterday? I don't know, but it is something.
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