Sashi fired
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It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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Zombo said:
It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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Could you imagine that?
The Browns could be the first NFL team playing a game without a quaterback!
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It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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Zombo said:
It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
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@boo-fagley said:
Dorsey said that he looks forward to working with Hue. Its a done deal. The Browns would not let him make that statement if they have plans to send Hue packing.
Why I dont like it is that everything is riding on 2018. Hue has to show marked improvement or its another season wasted and Daorsey will bring his own guy in which is what he should do now.
They say Hue is an old school style coach, and Dorsey is old school in that he spends tons of time in the film room studying players. It may work but Hue is no doubt on thin ice.
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Zombo said:
It'll be interesting to see lineup/roster changes the next four weeks ... should tell us who Sashi was personally invested in but Hue didn't want and vice versa.
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Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that fucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
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Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that fucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
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Zombo said:
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that Shmucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
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Dwayne Bowe 2.0
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Haslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long time (twitter.com)
Nate Ulrich@ByNateUlrichHaslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long timeVia nate ulrich
Nate Ulrich@ByNateUlrichHaslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long timeAlso, Jackson Depo and Dorsey all report to ownership seperately
Andrew Gribble@Andrew_GribbleCurrent plan is for Jackson, DePodesta and Dorsey to report to ownership.Haslam said absolutely Hue Jackson will be back in 2018 no matter what happens in final four games this season and Haslam added we plan on Hue being the coach for a long time ter.com)
Via nate ulrichAlso, Jackson Depo and Dorsey all report to ownership separately
https://mobile.twitter.com/Andrew_Gribble/status/939171612393385984?ref_src=twsrc^twitterkit
Haslam's idea of a "long time" is around 8 games of next season... Don't like the separate reporting part...
What evidence or insight do YOU have that Jackson has the polar opposite philosophy than John Dorsey.
Please. Enlighten us with all your inner knowledge of the details. (for I have heard the exact opposite...that Dorsey and Jackson are far more compatible than he ever was with Sashi.)
Yup, Gip. Dorsey was obviously asked his opinion of Jackson. He wouldn't have taken the job (or requested Hue get fired as a condition) to join the Browns, if he thought they couldn't work together.
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After watching the Haslam/Dorsey interview I got the impression that Jimmy did not believe enough talent was being brought into the organization. I don't think he took issue with Sashi's strategy of accumulating picks but wanted someone on the room that could evaluate talent. If Jimmy doesn't feel that the talent level is there I don't think he's going to blame the coach.
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Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that fucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
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Zombo said:
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that Shmucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
Z
There was nothing that analytics liked about Britt's career path. An 8th or whatever year wide reciever who finally managed to catch significant over 50% over his targets and had decentcounting stats the year before(but in his whole career before that been underwhelming given his targets and appearances) is not an analytical favorite. the exaa ct opposite actually.
Analytics are NOT to blame for some of the bad picks and the britt signing. Sashi is to blame for those. But we need to use data driven methodology going forward with scouting....to abandon data driven approach(looking at the right data) would be a huge mistake. Some would say we need to actually start doing it rather than talking about it.
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Sashi was the demolition crew sent in to do a job. He's a numbers guy and got us TONS of money to do the job.
We always knew that a football guy was kinda sorta needed to balance out the analytics. Sashi's job had run it's course, and we're the better off for it now.
I didn't like some of the moves, as they were tough, but we kind of knew it was coming. A total rebuild. I hope that Dorsey is the guy that can now use this opportunity to build a masterpiece. Sashi's done the leg work and got to be the bad guy. All in all, I like Sashi. Big finger Sashi Brown. Hopefully we don't ever have to go through that again. We have a nice solid foundation, now it's time to put up the walls.
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@boo-fagley said:
Got a link on the 2nd blown out knee?
The second one just happened this year. His first torn ACL was in 2014. Don’t you google?
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Already started. Britt...AUFED!!
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that fucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
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Zombo said:
There ya go ... I knew Hue hated that Shmucker but Sashi wanted to stubbornly stand behind the money he spent on him.
Anlytics liked his career path ... but Kenny just wanted to get paid.
Z
And they were all just one big happy family relying on "consensus". Seems like the other voices in the room were being summarily ignored.
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@boo-fagley said:
I already know about this season injury.
If Watson was injured as a Freshman, he evidently suffered no ill effects leading Clemson to a Championship.
Of course.
But if you have two ankle* injuries (idk if the first one was with contact or not) at the age of 22, the odds that you are going to have more ankle injuries are really high.
EDIT: I meant knee.
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After watching the Haslam/Dorsey interview I got the impression that Jimmy did not believe enough talent was being brought into the organization. I don't think he took issue with Sashi's strategy of accumulating picks but wanted someone on the room that could evaluate talent. If Jimmy doesn't feel that the talent level is there I don't think he's going to blame the coach.
After watching the Haslam/Dorsey interview I got the impression that Jimmy did not believe enough talent was being brought into the organization. I don't think he took issue with Sashi's strategy of accumulating picks but wanted someone on the room that could evaluate talent. If Jimmy doesn't feel that the talent level is there I don't think he's going to blame the coach.
Well...there it is. Not enough talent. Primarily at QB. Obviously we can question Sashi in other areas (4 non productive WRs in the same draft), but his choices in respect to the most important position in sports is the issue.
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Man, just because you were wrong about the Browns sticking with their awesome Process for the long haul, you don't have to be such a meanie....
Where did I ever say we were going to stick with it? Tour has said that, not me. In fact my great fear was fan pressure would be so great Jimmy would pull the plug and I argued with everyone here say after day week after week in hopes they’d calm down and it wouldn’t happen.
So wrong again bucko.
Where did I ever say we were going to stick with it? Tour has said that, not me. In fact my great fear was fan pressure would be so great Jimmy would pull the plug and I argued with everyone here say after day week after week in hopes they’d calm down and it wouldn’t happen.
Yeah, that was me, not you.
But it is funny how the fanbase as represented here now want to wash their hands of the decision.
There was nothing that analytics liked about Britt's career path. An 8th or whatever year wide reciever who finally managed to catch significant over 50% over his targets and had decentcounting stats the year before(but in his whole career before that been underwhelming given his targets and appearances) is not an analytical favorite. the exaa ct opposite actually.
Analytics are NOT to blame for some of the bad picks and the britt signing. Sashi is to blame for those. But we need to use data driven methodology going forward with scouting....to abandon data driven approach(looking at the right data) would be a huge mistake. Some would say we need to actually start doing it rather than talking about it.
Bad guess, sparky...
"I like the analytics approach, so this is not about picking on Brown. But in the case of Britt, the analytics failed. He was highly rated by Football Outsiders and other analytics sites because Britt caught 68 passes for 1,002 yards last season. That was with the Rams, when quarterbacks Case Keenum and Goff were both having miserable years.
The 29-year-old Britt had never played for a very good quarterback in any of his eight seasons before joining the Browns. So the projection was Britt could be productive in Cleveland, even with its quarterback problems." - Terry Pluto
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/12/cleveland_browns_sashi_brown_john_dorsey.html
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@boo-fagley said:
Got a link on the 2nd blown out knee?
The second one just happened this year. His first torn ACL was in 2014. Don’t you google?
Interesting progression in these exchanges...
@boo-fagley said:
Got a link on the 2nd blown out knee?
Translation: I did not know this was Watson's 2nd. It could be important.
The second one just happened this year. His first torn ACL was in 2014. Don’t you google?
Translation: I'll do the work for you this time, dumba$$.
@boo-fagley said:
I already know about this season injury.
If Watson was injured as a Freshman, he evidently suffered no ill effects leading Clemson to a Championship.
Translation: I am not a dumba$$. Now I'll pretend the injury history is immaterial.
@boo-fagley said:
The ACL is in the knee.
It does not mean that he will have more. Rolls Royce is wrong. Watson is not the runner like RG3. RG3 rushed for an average 8 carries per game and 815 yards his rookie season. Watson isnt close to that and has been torching teams with his arm.
Translation: I'll dazzle this one with my anatomical knowledge, claim Royce is wrong and then carefully select a rushing stat to support my case ignoring the fact that Watson was a 1000-yd rusher at Clemson in 2015... a mark RG3 never touched either in college or as a pro... plus ignore that RG's rookie QB Rating (102.4) was indistinguishable from Watson's (103.0).
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Interesting progression in these exchanges...
@boo-fagley said:
Got a link on the 2nd blown out knee?
Translation: I did not know this was Watson's 2nd. It could be important.
The second one just happened this year. His first torn ACL was in 2014. Don’t you google?
Translation: I'll do the work for you this time, dumba$$.
@boo-fagley said:
I already know about this season injury.
If Watson was injured as a Freshman, he evidently suffered no ill effects leading Clemson to a Championship.
Translation: I am not a dumba$$. Now I'll pretend the injury history is immaterial.
@boo-fagley said:
The ACL is in the knee.
It does not mean that he will have more. Rolls Royce is wrong. Watson is not the runner like RG3. RG3 rushed for an average 8 carries per game and 815 yards his rookie season. Watson isnt close to that and has been torching teams with his arm.
Translation: I'll dazzle this one with my anatomical knowledge, claim Royce is wrong and then carefully select a rushing stat to support my case ignoring the fact that Watson was a 1000-yd rusher at Clemson in 2015... a mark RG3 never touched either in college or as a pro... plus ignore that RG's rookie QB Rating (102.4) was indistinguishable from Watson's (103.0).
Interesting progression in these exchanges...
Translation: I did not know this was Watson's 2nd. It could be important.
Translation: I'll do the work for you this time, dumba$$.
Translation: I am not a dumba$$. Now I'll pretend the injury history is immaterial.
Translation: I'll dazzle this one with my anatomical knowledge, claim Royce is wrong and then carefully select a rushing stat to support my case ignoring the fact that Watson was a 1000-yd rusher at Clemson in 2015... a mark RG3 never touched either in college or as a pro... plus ignore that RG's rookie QB Rating (102.4) was indistinguishable from Watson's (103.0).
My, getting testy today Tour.
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you haven’t been watching Watson at all. He averaged 40 yards rushing per game over seven games, and yes, it is a huge part of his game. You have some media fueled idea of what Watson is, but he’s a guy with a good, not great arm. He had success because his receiving corps is elite, and he was able to keep defenses off balance by being a threat to run the ball.
Lets take the personal attacks out of it (even though you’re clearly Retarded) and look at it objectively. He’s a 6’2” 220lb QB who’s success relies on his ability to run the ball. He’s had two ACL tears before the age of 23 and doesn’t have the accuracy or velocity to do it with his arm alone against nfl defenses....
maybe Watson will end up bucking the trend, but I’m gonna have to see a whole lot more than 7 games before I’ll regret the Browns not spending 2 first round picks on the guy.
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@boo-fagley said:
a. The fact that Watson was a 1000 rusher back in college is irrelevant since the discussion is regarding Watsons NFL game. Only a moron would interject that fun fact into this conversation. Different team, different coaches, different offense. Bill Obrien runs the NE offense which is a pass first offense. But, you already knew that because youre a genius.
b. Once more for the dim bulbs, irrelevant that RG3 never reached 1000 yards back at Baylor since the conversation is about the NFL.
c. RGs NFL game was to run. Watsons NFL game is to pass.
OK, so you think that any NFL executive that decides to pick a mobile athletic quaterback that runs for many yards, when making his mind up and getting the quaterback in the team, decides to forget his assets as a runner and ignore that part of his game?
The NE Patriots have a pass first offense because their quaterback for 17 years has been Tom Brady, a guy with great assets as QB but not a good runner. And you know what? They adapt their playbook to their QB's abilities.
Thinking that a college quaterback is going to completely change his game in the pros is a huge leap. Cam Newton is an athletic QB and has suffered shoulder injuries and concussions, but still runs every game.
Also, I did some research.
RGIII had 8 carries per game and 815 yards in his rookie season.
Watson had 5.1 carries per game and 269 yards in 7 games (6 and a half, first game he played second half). At that rate, he would had a season posting more than 600 yards rushing. Not close enough?
If Watson's NFL play is to pass, he might be get injured when he decides not to. He has enough attempts to be a bit concerned about his future.
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I go away from the board for a few days and this happens...
...and there's only 10 pages of reaction?
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Interesting progression in these exchanges...
Translation: I did not know this was Watson's 2nd. It could be important.
Translation: I'll do the work for you this time, dumba$$.
Translation: I am not a dumba$$. Now I'll pretend the injury history is immaterial.
Translation: I'll dazzle this one with my anatomical knowledge, claim Royce is wrong and then carefully select a rushing stat to support my case ignoring the fact that Watson was a 1000-yd rusher at Clemson in 2015... a mark RG3 never touched either in college or as a pro... plus ignore that RG's rookie QB Rating (102.4) was indistinguishable from Watson's (103.0).
My, getting testy today Tour.
My, getting testy today Tour.
Phuck you, h...
Lets take the personal attacks out of it (even though you’re clearly Retarded)...
lmao...
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