Is Hue Jackson the answer?
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Now I don't know if he is the answer or not.
Where I am as well... so I could not participate in the poll.
On-field I can, on balance, see my way to give him one more season, but...
5. Is obviously leaking info to the media,
This is the poison. We have been a very tight-lipped franchise for a while now... at least back thru the Pet regime. Very curious to see how this holds together in the face of of Hue's maneuverings both thru the Press and behind the scenes.
This is the poison. We have been a very tight-lipped franchise for a while now... at least back thru the Pet regime. Very curious to see how this holds together in the face of of Hue's maneuverings both thru the Press and behind the scenes
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
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This is the poison. We have been a very tight-lipped franchise for a while now... at least back thru the Pet regime. Very curious to see how this holds together in the face of of Hue's maneuverings both thru the Press and behind the scenes
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
I hate it. I think this is the #1 reason I am so worried, because we know under this structure we haven't seen success. He needs to hire a team president or CEO and just step back. That doesn't mean he can't be in the building, know the players, coaches, front office. But the way he has everything set up where everyone answers to him and no one else, it makes it so when we lose, those sides jockey for favor to keep their job. If you have a linear structure all he needs to worry about is how his President is doing, who worries about how his GM is doing, who worries about how his coach is doing.
Now they keep saying Hue is here, but they at least still have a chance to fire him and hire a guy picked my Doresy, which is a step in the right direction. Because they can say everything in the book they want, and we can speculate to the end of days on how Hue would do with a better roster, but Hue isn't Dorsey's guy. And next year, if it is bad, will still count against Doresy even though Hue isn't his guy and he will already have one foot in the grave. Its like we keep having this endless cycle of hiring a GM half way through a coaches life span, then a new coach halfway through the GMs life span. Even with Hue and Sashi, we hired Hue, then Sashi got promoted, then they looked at GM's and eventually didn't hire anyone. Thats kind of why I feel bad for Hue. I'm sure he came on board knowing analytics was going to be a big part of the front office, but you will never convince me he came on board knowing that Sashi was going to have final say over the roster.
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Hue may or may not be the answer, but its irrelevant. "Stability" is the answer to this franchise. It sounds ridiculous to say, but this org has been so badly mismanaged fir so long that multiple near zero win seasons are wut we have to go through. Players simply dont want to play in cleveland and stability is a major factor if not the biggest.
At least offensively we're prob looking at minimal improvement if at all, next year. I mean unless our rookie qb is just soooo good hue has no choice but to start him. But is anyone here confortable with another rookie starting right away no matter who it might be? I dont care if andy luck was coming out he has to sit imo. We need a vet qb next year who's willing to come on a 1-2 year deal knowing he's there to allow our rookie to grow
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This is the poison. We have been a very tight-lipped franchise for a while now... at least back thru the Pet regime. Very curious to see how this holds together in the face of of Hue's maneuverings both thru the Press and behind the scenes
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
This is problem #1... until it changes, I see nothing changing...
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Too early to tell. He hasn't had talent+experience combined on his team. Sashi was getting it for him. Now he's gone and more than likely we will dump many of Sashi's picks and replace them with guys that may be talented but who have no experience. Then Hue will get fired for not winning even though you still won't really be able to evaluate him because he still won't have the players.
It's a great cycle. I look forward to everyone being gone by 2019.
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This is the poison. We have been a very tight-lipped franchise for a while now... at least back thru the Pet regime. Very curious to see how this holds together in the face of of Hue's maneuverings both thru the Press and behind the scenes
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
Is this actually happening? Wow. That is hilariously bad.
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How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
Is this actually happening? Wow. That is hilariously bad.
Is this actually happening? Wow. That is hilariously bad.
That is what the process is. It's been happening that way all along. Hue reported to Jimmah separately from Stosh and depudpuller. There has never been a consensus opinion here. Been trying to say that since manqueer came to town on the back of Jim's homeless dude.
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I want to see the young team have another year in the same system.
We haven't tried continuity for a long time. How much horse could it be?
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I want to see the young team have another year in the same system.
We haven't tried continuity for a long time. How much horse could it be?
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I want to see the young team have another year in the same system.
We haven't tried continuity for a long time. How much horse could it be?
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It is at least comforting to me that we have a GM now that actually spends time in a film room and studies tape on a player.
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This is the poison. We have been a very tight-lipped franchise for a while now... at least back thru the Pet regime. Very curious to see how this holds together in the face of of Hue's maneuverings both thru the Press and behind the scenes
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
That is what the process is. It's been happening that way all along. Hue reported to Jimmah separately from Stosh and depudpuller. There has never been a consensus opinion here. Been trying to say that since manqueer came to town on the back of Jim's homeless dude.
As others have said, the reporting set up is not ideal, but that's due primarily to Jimmah's track record when it comes to patience.
The above said, the structure while less than ideal had nothing to do with the process that had been in place the past two off-seasons. No one claimed a collaborative, consensus process existed under Farmer.
It is at least comforting to me that we have a GM now that actually spends time in a film room and studies tape on a player.
Yeah... nothing like an executive doing the job of a scout...
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How do you feel about Hue, Depo, and Dorsey all reporting separately to Jimmy and Dee?
That is what the process is. It's been happening that way all along. Hue reported to Jimmah separately from Stosh and depudpuller. There has never been a consensus opinion here. Been trying to say that since manqueer came to town on the back of Jim's homeless dude.
As others have said, the reporting set up is not ideal, but that's due primarily to Jimmah's track record when it comes to patience.
The above said, the structure while less than ideal had nothing to do with the process that had been in place the past two off-seasons. No one claimed a collaborative, consensus process existed under Farmer.
It is at least comforting to me that we have a GM now that actually spends time in a film room and studies tape on a player.
Yeah... nothing like an executive doing the job of a scout...
As others have said, the reporting set up is not ideal, but that's due primarily to Jimmah's track record when it comes to patience.
The above said, the structure while less than ideal had nothing to do with the process that had been in place the past two off-seasons. No one claimed a collaborative, consensus process existed under Farmer.
Yeah... nothing like an executive doing the job of a scout...
I would call it an executive that actually knows what is expected and does it. Kinda like a general becomes a general because he gets things done. Stosh was a brown nose butt polisher...
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Too early to tell. He hasn't had talent+experience combined on his team. Sashi was getting it for him. Now he's gone and more than likely we will dump many of Sashi's picks and replace them with guys that may be talented but who have no experience. Then Hue will get fired for not winning even though you still won't really be able to evaluate him because he still won't have the players.
It's a great cycle. I look forward to everyone being gone by 2019.
Too early to tell. He hasn't had talent+experience combined on his team. Sashi was getting it for him. Now he's gone and more than likely we will dump many of Sashi's picks and replace them with guys that may be talented but who have no experience. Then Hue will get fired for not winning even though you still won't really be able to evaluate him because he still won't have the players.
It's a great cycle. I look forward to everyone being gone by 2019.
Including you hopefully.
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If the question is: "What coach has lost 28 of his first 29 games as a Browns head coach?" - then yes, Huey is the answer.
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If the question is: "What coach has lost 28 of his first 29 games as a Browns head coach?" - then yes, Huey is the answer.
If the question is: "What coach has lost 28 of his first 29 games as a Browns head coach?" - then yes, Huey is the answer.
Exactly...
He should be shown the door tonight. Screw him. Any one of us would be at worst...1 game worse as a HC then this loser.
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I'm still going incomplete. I think it is really hard to evaluate a coach when the players don't seem to be very good. If you are in the Tavern during the game you see people say Garrett stinks, Coleman stinks, Kizer stinks, Peppers stinks, Gonzales stinks, Shon Coleman stinks, Boddy-Calhoun stinks, on and on but at the very end Hue Jackson's fault. It's the reverse of the political forum.
I do think he deserves some blame because these players act awful Socky when the make one play for an 0-13 team but that seems to be the modern athlete.
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At This point, I’m having a hard time believing Hue can pull off wins in close games. Sure, the loss can’t be solely blamed on him, but he’s 1-9 in close late games. That can’t be on everyone else but him. If everything is improved, and we have better players and a QB, I’m not sure I can see him taking us to The playoffs. Most definitely can’t see it without an OC
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