Dorsey Hired
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sachi wasn't working out, so be it.
but I give Hue a pass on what seems to be "mistakes"... I think he has to spend too much time coveringfor a talented qb that lacks vision and doesn't see the field. How tough is it to learn how to look one way, then lookand throw the other way? How much instinct does it take to know that you can't throw a long pass to a wr that is closely double covered before the ball ever gets there?
I get upset with Hue, but I'm seeing more and more that he is frustrated at not having the players he needs, and he's trying to make decisions based on that fact.
Cal, in his post Sashi firing press conference, Hue was specifically asked about getting an OC. I sort of buy his explanation that the offence is\was so talent depleted, he didn't want an OC who looked so bad he'd have to fire him. Oh, he knows- as he said "it's performance based" and my performance hasn't been what it needs to be. I suppose it would look bad if he came out and said "I've sucked so far as a coach".
Sashi Browns entire career has been counting pinto navy, lima, garbanzo and kidney beans.
WSS
It was posited by some here from the beginning, is a lawyer bean counter fit to run an NFL organization? I think Jimmy decided that answer was NO.
I think we now know what Hue meant when he said he wanted to be more involved in the process.
This was my first thought as well.
I'll posit this one Tour. We don't know (but Haslam sure does) just how much of a "consensus" there really was. If Hue was constantly getting shot down and overruled by Sashi- when with 20\20 hindsight his suggestions on player acquisitions were dead on, and Sashi and DePo's were crap, draw your own conclusion. What if: Hue was Ok with both Wentz and Watson (remember the supposed phone call to Deshawn?) and to top it off got Kizer (who he probably didn't want) that screams "analytics pick" rammed down his throat, well- I'd probably like a tad more input too. Why do I think that's the case? Read between the lines in Jimmy's goodbye to Sashi- thanks for all the picks, I don't trust you to make them. So much for consensus- Sashi had the final say. Apparently he was asked if it was OK to bring in a Dorsey type to help in that regard, and it was like nope, everything is just hunky-dory. We're going to nail the 2018 draft. That and (care to bet it wasn't deliberately botched) McCarron deal sealed Sashi's fate. BTW DePo's all time stupid comment about Wentz not being a top 20 qb proves when push came to shove who was making the picks.
Sashi pulls together the opinions of others. Find me one quote that would indicate he’s “convinced himself he was an nfl talent evaluator”? I’ll wait.
And apparently War- he took those opinions and made his own decision, if there was no consensus- looks like Haslam didn't think much of them.
BTW DePo's all time stupid comment about Wentz not being a top 20 qb proves when push came to shove who was making the picks
Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick. What he IS, is clearly a tall strong armed QB not scared to turn it loose. Anyone would think Hue Jackson had a type....
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BTW DePo's all time stupid comment about Wentz not being a top 20 qb proves when push came to shove who was making the picks
Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick. What he IS, is clearly a tall strong armed QB not scared to turn it loose. Anyone would think Hue Jackson had a type....
Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick. What he IS, is clearly a tall strong armed QB not scared to turn it loose. Anyone would think Hue Jackson had a type....
London, all I'll say at this point is there's so much innuendo and contradictory reports, we can't really decide what the hell was going on. Guess I have a little private war going on with the consensus guys. That's OK, I really don't care anymore about the name calling. MY POV is they're sitting on the Titanic singing "My nearer my God to thee..."
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BTW DePo's all time stupid comment about Wentz not being a top 20 qb proves when push came to shove who was making the picks
Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick. What he IS, is clearly a tall strong armed QB not scared to turn it loose. Anyone would think Hue Jackson had a type....
Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick.
which is part of the problem with this regime....we do need to use analytics in our approach going forward. THat would mean not signing Kenny britt,not drafting peppers, not drafting kizer....
I sure as hell hope we make decisions driven by data(the right data) and are forward thinking. That would be a welcome change.
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Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick. What he IS, is clearly a tall strong armed QB not scared to turn it loose. Anyone would think Hue Jackson had a type....
London, all I'll say at this point is there's so much innuendo and contradictory reports, we can't really decide what the hell was going on. Guess I have a little private war going on with the consensus guys. That's OK, I really don't care anymore about the name calling. MY POV is they're sitting on the Titanic singing "My nearer my God to thee..."
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1) I have 27 examples the process wasn't working. How many more do you need? Haslam rightly intervened.
2) Who (Britt) had one season that was 3 SD above the mean?
3) Right, if it was all about athleticism Jamarcus Russell and Jeff George would be in the HOF. Did you even notice Sashi created the dumpster fire in the first place? Got rid of almost all the vets and drafted a bucket of crap WRs? How many times has it been said here (and not just by me) you don't have to nuke the roster to rebuild. Um, Panthers?
Oh, I totally get it. 2018 was the year of the big splash where Sashi was finally going to get the Browns more than one win. Haslam didn't trust him to do so, and this time- I'm on Jimmy's side.
3B That my friend is what sent Sashi out of town. he made the final decision if consensus wasn't reached, and (in Haslam's eyes) too often it was the wrong decision. Lesson? don't send a lawyer bean counter to do a football guy's job. Haslam found out the 1-27 way.
He didn't make the final decision. Tour's answered this question at least a half dozen times. Why did you ask it again? Do you just not like the answer?
He didn't make the final decision. Tour's answered this question at least a half dozen times. Why did you ask it again? Do you just not like the answer?
Great- then who in the f**king hell was making the decisions? I'm old and bordering on Alzheimer's. Enlighten me. Congrats, you've just painted yourself into a corner.
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BTW DePo's all time stupid comment about Wentz not being a top 20 qb proves when push came to shove who was making the picks
Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick. What he IS, is clearly a tall strong armed QB not scared to turn it loose. Anyone would think Hue Jackson had a type....
Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick. What he IS, is clearly a tall strong armed QB not scared to turn it loose. Anyone would think Hue Jackson had a type....
Dude, Wentz would be a bust under Hue. I could care less about him.
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Hue made that call as much as anyone. He “fell in love” with RG3 after he was “floored” by his workout. His good friend Mike Silver, who was in the browns war room on draft night, tweeted that Hue liked Wentz but not at #2. The quotes and evidence is out there if you wish to see it.
Also you’re completely wrong about Kizer being a analytics pick. His numbers weren’t conducive to being an analytics pick. What he IS, is clearly a tall strong armed QB not scared to turn it loose. Anyone would think Hue Jackson had a type....
Dude, Wentz would be a bust under Hue. I could care less about him.
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Totally agree. He will ruin Rosen or whichever QB he falls in love with and forces Dorsey/Haslam to draft, probably Josh Allen because he has a big arm.
Its scary isn't it. I fear this franchise won't survive Jimmyworld.
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Totally agree. He will ruin Rosen or whichever QB he falls in love with and forces Dorsey/Haslam to draft, probably Josh Allen because he has a big arm.
Its scary isn't it. I fear this franchise won't survive Jimmyworld.
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Haslam makes you pray for Randy Lerner
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oooooh, that reminds me...... HBO's West World should be starting again soon.
HBO is making a new show too. “Jimmy Eat World”, where James Haslam buys the Cleveland Browns and tarnishes their legacy even more.
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HBO is making a new show too. “Jimmy Eat World”, where James Haslam buys the Cleveland Browns and tarnishes their legacy even more.
Sounds like a horror movie to me.....
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HBO is making a new show too. “Jimmy Eat World”, where James Haslam buys the Cleveland Browns and tarnishes their legacy even more.
Sounds like a horror movie to me.....
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John Dorsey to the pit of misery! Dilly dilly.
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John Dorsey to the pit of misery! Dilly dilly.
John Dorsey to the pit of misery! Dilly dilly.
If only the team would throw Hue in the Lake now, and save him the trouble of waiting for 1-15. Face it guys, unless we somehow beat DA Bears, welcome to 0-16 loserville. Thanks Sashi.
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John Dorsey to the pit of misery! Dilly dilly.
If only the team would throw Hue in the Lake now, and save him the trouble of waiting for 1-15. Face it guys, unless we somehow beat DA Bears, welcome to 0-16 loserville. Thanks Sashi.
If only the team would throw Hue in the Lake now, and save him the trouble of waiting for 1-15. Face it guys, unless we somehow beat DA Bears, welcome to 0-16 loserville. Thanks Sashi.
About time we do something right though - if we're gonna suck, well by all means...... suck so bad that history will forever remember us.
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I thought the story was that Williams recommended Britt to the FO. Now that we all hate Sashi, it's that he warned against him?
Just the opposite, this was reported by Albert Breer & Doug Dieken.
Just the opposite, this was reported by Albert Breer & Doug Dieken.
And what I said was reported by some other guys. So?
Really? So they put two options on a slip of paper and picked what they were going to do out of a hat.
London, all I'll say at this point is there's so much innuendo and contradictory reports, we can't really decide what the hell was going on.
And yet you stand strongly with the ones you've chosen. Weird.
Great- then who in the f**king hell was making the decisions? I'm old and bordering on Alzheimer's. Enlighten me. Congrats, you've just painted yourself into a corner.
Why did you ask this question twice? You may not be wrong about the memory loss. And why would I answer your question when you've asked it a half dozen times already and it's been explained just as many? You have no desire to know.
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1) Lesson #1 in a definition of process improvement: One example is NOT a process. Nor are two - or three. You need 10 examples minimum to discern process from random variance. And that's just to determine current state before identifying specific problems and interventions.
2) Hue's favorite plays are slow-developing long things.. exactly what you'd want a big-body WR for.
3) I give Sashi the highest grade of any Browns GM since the rebirth in his addition of top-to-bottom athleticism and talent to the roster from the dumpster fire he was given.. while balancing that with maintaining draft picks for the future to build even higher from.
3) If consensus can't be reached, someone has to make a decision. But remember that we don't have definitive info on what, exactly, the "vote" was in any situation. I wouldn't read anything systemic unless it's called for. Even if somebody starts, they don't have to receive more than 10 snaps -- PT is a coaching decision. Why did Kasen Williams receive no PT.. he didn't suck.
1) I have 27 examples the process wasn't working. How many more do you need? Haslam rightly intervened.
2) Who (Britt) had one season that was 3 SD above the mean?
3) Right, if it was all about athleticism Jamarcus Russell and Jeff George would be in the HOF. Did you even notice Sashi created the dumpster fire in the first place? Got rid of almost all the vets and drafted a bucket of crap WRs? How many times has it been said here (and not just by me) you don't have to nuke the roster to rebuild. Um, Panthers?
Oh, I totally get it. 2018 was the year of the big splash where Sashi was finally going to get the Browns more than one win. Haslam didn't trust him to do so, and this time- I'm on Jimmy's side.
3B That my friend is what sent Sashi out of town. he made the final decision if consensus wasn't reached, and (in Haslam's eyes) too often it was the wrong decision. Lesson? don't send a lawyer bean counter to do a football guy's job. Haslam found out the 1-27 way.
- and this time- I'm on Jimmy's side.
- 3B That my friend is what sent Sashi out of town. he made the final decision if consensus wasn't reached,
- Just think about that a while... you and Jimmy... together.... lol
- And, once again, "my friend." you prove you do not understand the consensus process... not even close... not a clue...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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