Kiser not the reason folks.
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Easily Kizer's best game... kid was in command for 3/4's of the game.
The late 1st half INT was not a bad idea, but it was a bad throw.
The OT INT was a bad idea... as someone said on page 1... it was "inexcusable"... but it was also understandable.
This was the first time Kizer and the team were in the positions they were in today... namely having a "comfortable" lead late and playing an OT game.
I honestly was not surprised that they did not handle either circumstance well.
I will be surprised if when next they encounter either next, that they do not handle it better.
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that feeble hail mary hurl up into the air was an embarrassment. Kizer brainfreezes under pressure - he only sees
one place, can't scan the field for best options. He isn't a dumb guy, but he just doesn't see the field. He'll be a
good/great backup, but the Browns need a real qb.
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Easily Kizer's best game... kid was in command for 3/4's of the game.
The late 1st half INT was not a bad idea, but it was a bad throw.
The OT INT was a bad idea... as someone said on page 1... it was "inexcusable"... but it was also understandable.
This was the first time Kizer and the team were in the positions they were in today... namely having a "comfortable" lead late and playing an OT game.
I honestly was not surprised that they did not handle either circumstance well.
I will be surprised if when next they encounter either next, that they do not handle it better.
Easily Kizer's best game... kid was in command for 3/4's of the game.
The late 1st half INT was not a bad idea, but it was a bad throw.
The OT INT was a bad idea... as someone said on page 1... it was "inexcusable"... but it was also understandable.
This was the first time Kizer and the team were in the positions they were in today... namely having a "comfortable" lead late and playing an OT game.
I honestly was not surprised that they did not handle either circumstance well.
I will be surprised if when next they encounter either next, that they do not handle it better.
For a guy who "knows" football how are you giving Kizer a pass on that throw across the field from his weakside straight into oncoming pass rush? "Especially" for a guy we know full well has been yelled at by his coach for holding the ball for hours at a time while running around in the backfield..??? This is a season long affair that this has been going on. You can see hue's face every time....it's omg he's doing it again. You can see it plain as day in the replays when they show hue's crestfallen mug.......this has been the subject of weekly film room sessions, no doubt. Yet the kid still does it every time he's under pressure. He wasn't ready and chip Kelly knew it....there is ZERO doubt in my mind that Hue had a talk with Chip and was told all about this before the season began. This is the reason Kelly said Kizer wasn't ready.
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Kizer gets 3 more chances....because (as has been said 1000000 times) he's the best of the 3 shitty QB's we have. No one is defending him saying he should get another year as a starter or we shouldn't draft his replacement #1 overall in the next draft. Kizer isn't the answer...he's a nice backup QB and should never have been starting this season but our brilliant HC and QB whisperer made him the starter. Some of you dump all over Kizer, who shouldn't even be playing this year, but want to keep the guy who made the decision to have him be the day 1 starter.
This is the modern NFL. The days of drafting Aaron Rodgers and sitting him behind Favre are gone. Goff, Wentz, Watson, Carr, etc. are all expected to play after being drafted. 20 years ago you'd kept Mccown and let Kizer sit and learn but not anymore. And to be perfectly honest you, nor I, know what was said behind closed doors. The Browns cut Mccown at a time where they saved roster bonus money and may have had a plan for Kessler, Hogan and a draft pick. As much as I'd like to see 3-10 as opposed to 0-13 I don't think the front office cared. From the get go we were in "evaluation mode" so why would you retain a veteran.
This is the modern NFL. The days of drafting Aaron Rodgers and sitting him behind Favre are gone. Goff, Wentz, Watson, Carr, etc. are all expected to play after being drafted. 20 years ago you'd kept Mccown and let Kizer sit and learn but not anymore.
And this mentality has been proven to be completely wrong over and over in the last <you pick how many> years.
This method DOES NOT WORK.
Keep doing this and it leads to coaches/GMs getting fired and drafting/starting another QB, then another, then another, then another... then you are the 'modern' Browns.
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that feeble hail mary hurl up into the air was an embarrassment. Kizer brainfreezes under pressure - he only sees
one place, can't scan the field for best options. He isn't a dumb guy, but he just doesn't see the field. He'll be a
good/great backup, but the Browns need a real qb.
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Easily Kizer's best game... kid was in command for 3/4's of the game.
The late 1st half INT was not a bad idea, but it was a bad throw.
The OT INT was a bad idea... as someone said on page 1... it was "inexcusable"... but it was also understandable.
This was the first time Kizer and the team were in the positions they were in today... namely having a "comfortable" lead late and playing an OT game.
I honestly was not surprised that they did not handle either circumstance well.
I will be surprised if when next they encounter either next, that they do not handle it better.
For a guy who "knows" football how are you giving Kizer a pass on that throw across the field from his weakside straight into oncoming pass rush? "Especially" for a guy we know full well has been yelled at by his coach for holding the ball for hours at a time while running around in the backfield..??? This is a season long affair that this has been going on. You can see hue's face every time....it's omg he's doing it again. You can see it plain as day in the replays when they show hue's crestfallen mug.......this has been the subject of weekly film room sessions, no doubt. Yet the kid still does it every time he's under pressure. He wasn't ready and chip Kelly knew it....there is ZERO doubt in my mind that Hue had a talk with Chip and was told all about this before the season began. This is the reason Kelly said Kizer wasn't ready.
there is ZERO doubt in my mind...
Ah... so therefore it's a fact...
not just a strongly held notion...
no matter how ill-founded...
got it.
For a guy who "knows" football how are you giving Kizer a pass on that throw across the field from his weakside straight into oncoming pass rush?
Give me game time so I can look and get an idea what play you are talking about. Can't be either of the INTs I mentioned since I criticized both of those throws.
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You do know his arm was hit... or don't you?
actually, I don't - we had out second Thanksgiving yesterday, and I went to the kitchen for more whole berry cranberry sauce,
and saw the replay as I came back into the tv room. I have to go back and rewatch it entirely. But Kizer still didn't throw to
a WIDE OPEN target - because he never looked. He see the whole field = I figure that is why he gets in trouble - first read covered...
just wait until maybe first read gets open....
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next year will be rookie QB, Kizer and McCarron. I hope Kizer starts, we've all seen McCarron and I don't think Kizer has hit his ceiling yet. Can't take another season of rookie mistakes. Kizer has shown he's willing to work hard and improve, if he keeps the trend going and has a decent off season we could finally see some reliable QB play in Cleveland. It sucks for Kizer because after he throws his first interception everyone will be clamoring for the #1 draft pick rookie to get out there before he's ready, he will make rookie mistakes, the Browns will draft another rookie QB the following season and the cycle will continue.
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You do know his arm was hit... or don't you?
actually, I don't - we had out second Thanksgiving yesterday, and I went to the kitchen for more whole berry cranberry sauce,
and saw the replay as I came back into the tv room. I have to go back and rewatch it entirely. But Kizer still didn't throw to
a WIDE OPEN target - because he never looked. He see the whole field = I figure that is why he gets in trouble - first read covered...
just wait until maybe first read gets open....
actually, I don't - we had out second Thanksgiving yesterday, and I went to the kitchen for more whole berry cranberry sauce,
and saw the replay as I came back into the tv room. I have to go back and rewatch it entirely. But Kizer still didn't throw to
a WIDE OPEN target - because he never looked. He see the whole field = I figure that is why he gets in trouble - first read covered...
just wait until maybe first read gets open....
I don't buy that. People say some stupid Sheet to try to look smart. "He locks on receiver" or "once his primary is covered BS"
He hit 8 different players for a completion yesterday and targeted 9 altogether. I have seen very good pocket awareness and much improved footwork. Does he hold the ball to long?? Sure almost every rookie QB ever has that problem transitioning to the pros. But the kid keeps his eyes down field constantly. Never bails early and when he does is very very dangerous in open field.
And for all the idiots out there. Yea that was a bad pick. That's what happens when u get hot while throwing on a blown up play. But he knew where he wanted to go with that ball. Him pointing the guy out and replay is 100% proof there was a WR running free behind the secondary. If he had just a split second longer there is a chance we are talking about easily the play of the year possibility the decade. But instead it was just another INT that people wanna hang on the 21 year old kid with the most weapons we've seen in Cleveland since Tim Couch. Can't stand the morons blasting Kiser and Haven't even mentioned David Njoku dropping a absolute bullseye to end the game. Had he caught that Kiser's Line is 19-26 w/ 220+ yards 3TDs 1 INT (meaningless one at that. And one ever single qb would probably throw in that situation). And 120+ passer rating. And most importantly the W. Instead his passer rating was what 99? Sure QBs gotta overcome but in any team sport when you give a team 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tries it's going to end well. Especially for an 0-12 team that has to basically play flawless. And sure his decision making late has been brutal. It's where he needs to improve the most. But when when your asking that guy to do it twice or 3 times instead of once. There is 1 qb in the whole league that can overcome his teams incompetence and it's not Kiser right now.
We need Kiser to make a play to close out games. He made that play yesterday, unfortunately it was dropped. And 13 games into a 21 year olds Career is asking a bit much to do it 2 or three times a game.
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He played well .....but, it seems that when he sees the game clock hit like 2:00.....he suffers from Dysphagia
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actually, I don't - we had out second Thanksgiving yesterday, and I went to the kitchen for more whole berry cranberry sauce,
and saw the replay as I came back into the tv room. I have to go back and rewatch it entirely. But Kizer still didn't throw to
a WIDE OPEN target - because he never looked. He see the whole field = I figure that is why he gets in trouble - first read covered...
just wait until maybe first read gets open....
I don't buy that. People say some stupid Sheet to try to look smart. "He locks on receiver" or "once his primary is covered BS"
He hit 8 different players for a completion yesterday and targeted 9 altogether. I have seen very good pocket awareness and much improved footwork. Does he hold the ball to long?? Sure almost every rookie QB ever has that problem transitioning to the pros. But the kid keeps his eyes down field constantly. Never bails early and when he does is very very dangerous in open field.
And for all the idiots out there. Yea that was a bad pick. That's what happens when u get hot while throwing on a blown up play. But he knew where he wanted to go with that ball. Him pointing the guy out and replay is 100% proof there was a WR running free behind the secondary. If he had just a split second longer there is a chance we are talking about easily the play of the year possibility the decade. But instead it was just another INT that people wanna hang on the 21 year old kid with the most weapons we've seen in Cleveland since Tim Couch. Can't stand the morons blasting Kiser and Haven't even mentioned David Njoku dropping a absolute bullseye to end the game. Had he caught that Kiser's Line is 19-26 w/ 220+ yards 3TDs 1 INT (meaningless one at that. And one ever single qb would probably throw in that situation). And 120+ passer rating. And most importantly the W. Instead his passer rating was what 99? Sure QBs gotta overcome but in any team sport when you give a team 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tries it's going to end well. Especially for an 0-12 team that has to basically play flawless. And sure his decision making late has been brutal. It's where he needs to improve the most. But when when your asking that guy to do it twice or 3 times instead of once. There is 1 qb in the whole league that can overcome his teams incompetence and it's not Kiser right now.
We need Kiser to make a play to close out games. He made that play yesterday, unfortunately it was dropped. And 13 games into a 21 year olds Career is asking a bit much to do it 2 or three times a game.
I don't buy that. People say some stupid Sheet to try to look smart. "He locks on receiver" or "once his primary is covered BS"
He hit 8 different players for a completion yesterday and targeted 9 altogether. I have seen very good pocket awareness and much improved footwork. Does he hold the ball to long?? Sure almost every rookie QB ever has that problem transitioning to the pros. But the kid keeps his eyes down field constantly. Never bails early and when he does is very very dangerous in open field.
And for all the idiots out there. Yea that was a bad pick. That's what happens when u get hot while throwing on a blown up play. But he knew where he wanted to go with that ball. Him pointing the guy out and replay is 100% proof there was a WR running free behind the secondary. If he had just a split second longer there is a chance we are talking about easily the play of the year possibility the decade. But instead it was just another INT that people wanna hang on the 21 year old kid with the most weapons we've seen in Cleveland since Tim Couch. Can't stand the morons blasting Kiser and Haven't even mentioned David Njoku dropping a absolute bullseye to end the game. Had he caught that Kiser's Line is 19-26 w/ 220+ yards 3TDs 1 INT (meaningless one at that. And one ever single qb would probably throw in that situation). And 120+ passer rating. And most importantly the W. Instead his passer rating was what 99? Sure QBs gotta overcome but in any team sport when you give a team 2nd, 3rd, and 4th tries it's going to end well. Especially for an 0-12 team that has to basically play flawless. And sure his decision making late has been brutal. It's where he needs to improve the most. But when when your asking that guy to do it twice or 3 times instead of once. There is 1 qb in the whole league that can overcome his teams incompetence and it's not Kiser right now.
We need Kiser to make a play to close out games. He made that play yesterday, unfortunately it was dropped. And 13 games into a 21 year olds Career is asking a bit much to do it 2 or three times a game.
I keep forgetting Kizer is only 21, night and day difference between his work ethic and another young QB we've had in the past...
Look how much better the chemistry was between him and Gordon was between these last two games, after only a week of them working together. imagine a whole season of them working together (assuming Gordon can stay off the weed). Yes, he held on to the ball too long on some plays, but on other plays he got the ball right where it needed to be quickly. Just picture if he keeps working hard and improving the way he has all season.
For sure this FO will draft a QB in the first round, would love to see them use the other first round pick on a WR who can play opposite Gordon. Kizer will eventually get a win (hopefully next Sunday), he's not good enough to carry this team but I don't think anyone but the Browns would expect that of a 2nd round drafted rookie QB. Next season he may be good enough to win with his arm, overcome mistakes and drag this team to some wins despite mistakes from defense and special teams. Get the Browns a decent OC who can actually make halftime adjustments and finish a game and I'm thinking Super Bowl champs 2019
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What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
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What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
I like him a lot better than Sammy...... not even close.
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Neither Kizer nor Hue can function under pressure.
Hue and Kizer may not be the reasons, but they surely aren’t the answers either.
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I didn't say it to look smart. I never played - but that isn't the only time I've watched him throw to the first receiver he looks at, and never looks to the other third of the field. I like him, but I think he doesn't see the entire field - doesn't even look. It....is.....on.....tape. Tour is correct - I didn't see the play, just major bits and pieces, just a glimpse of the replay - as far as other things go,
Kizer seemed to turn the corner just a bit- with the addition of Gordon actually on the field, which turned out great to see. We had to laugh at the coach giving him a pair of sunglesses back on the sidelines. That had to be just for fun... I don't see a veteran qb cominghere to not start...
BTW, watching other college qbs ... several of them survey the freaking field from one side to the other very quickly - whenZizer doesn't, it's that a logical appraisal to guess at that he may have that as a problem, since none of us is an expert?
Should be real interesting to watch some of the major qbs play bowl games.
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What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
I don't see as many mistakes this part of season. The biggest pressure play of yesterday game and Kiser delivered an absolute strike
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You do know his arm was hit... or don't you?
actually, I don't - we had out second Thanksgiving yesterday, and I went to the kitchen for more whole berry cranberry sauce,
and saw the replay as I came back into the tv room. I have to go back and rewatch it entirely. But Kizer still didn't throw to
a WIDE OPEN target - because he never looked. He see the whole field = I figure that is why he gets in trouble - first read covered...
just wait until maybe first read gets open....
actually, I don't - we had out second Thanksgiving yesterday, and I went to the kitchen for more whole berry cranberry sauce, and saw the replay as I came back into the tv room. I have to go back and rewatch it entirely.
But Kizer still didn't throw to a WIDE OPEN target - because he never looked. He see the whole field = I figure that is why he gets in trouble - first read covered... just wait until maybe first read gets open....
When you look you will see that Clay hit Kizer's right forearm a lil shy of his release point. That's why the throw ended up being a 20-yd flutterball.
What would have happened had Kizer gotten off the throw he wanted to make? Can't be sure... I only know Kizer pointed down-field in lamentation as if he had a deep target in his sights... but my gut was that his footwork meant the ball would have been a moon-shot that would have come up short.
As for Kizer's read progressions... I see them. I also see him staying with his first read, but that's because he is liking what he sees. While he is still a beat slow in gauging his receiver's speed/direction, it's not the problem it once was unless another delay is added. I think this was the case with his 1st-half INT when there was further delay as he stepped up in the pocket still locked on his target.
I didn't say it to look smart.
So tempting...
but I knew that.
I thought cdl went off and it wasn't deserved...
Of course, I've never done that...
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What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
I like him a lot better than Sammy...... not even close.
You like him a lot better than Sammy who?
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Whoa wait, so its hues fault now cause the qb's he was saddled with didnt work out? We know now these qb's werent his guys. He didnt make that dumbshit deal for ossweiler, he didnt want kizer......fuk i think now the whole reason they had to make the ossweiler trade was to give hue "some" kind of veteran presence to work with. U guys really think hue talked with chip kelly and came away thinking fuk my butt i can totally get this kid ready by opening day? U guys are morons if u do. They all kizers problems in TC that were well documented.
The organization decided as a whole that they had to know who kizer was so thats why he got the start. Rolling with kessler this year woyld have gotten us dik
Kizer didn't decide to start himself. Whether it was Hue, or it was Sashi, it was a horrible decision. Same with the decision to dump all veteran QB's. Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, Wentz, and Goff all planned on being sat for game 1. Wentz only got in there because they traded Bradford. Regardless, he was clearly more prepared to be a starter than Kizer was/is. When every single scouting report states "Kizer needs to sit and learn he's NOT READY" and you decide to start him game 1 with no other experienced QB on the roster.
Then Hue has him throwing 40+ times a game when he can't perform at an NFL level.
FYI- It's Brian Kelly at ND.
Kizer didn't decide to start himself. Whether it was Hue, or it was Sashi, it was a horrible decision. Same with the decision to dump all veteran QB's. Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes, Wentz, and Goff all planned on being sat for game 1. Wentz only got in there because they traded Bradford. Regardless, he was clearly more prepared to be a starter than Kizer was/is. When every single scouting report states "Kizer needs to sit and learn he's NOT READY" and you decide to start him game 1 with no other experienced QB on the roster.
Then Hue has him throwing 40+ times a game when he can't perform at an NFL level.
FYI- It's Brian Kelly at ND.
And has progressed alot from the first 3 weeks of the season. And it seems like he's self tutored. No Offense coordinator, head coach, or veteran qb to bounch Sheet off of when the defense is on the field. TBO I was expecting Johnny Manziel vs Cincy every week out but he's been a nice surprise and more durable than any browns qb in recent memory. How easily he could have started every game this year but Hue is the "qb whisperer". Honestly at this point if hue says he's not the guy I'm locking the kid in to the future of this team. That's how much I don't trust Jackson anymore. I have no doubt in my mind Jackson manipulates and tanks players, plays, and games till he gets what he wants.
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