Is Hue Jackson the answer?
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When players quit in the fourth quarter and allow a back up qb to come back and beat them, that's on the coach. I don't blame Kizer nearly as much as I blame Hue, and Greg Williams. How was the play calling AFTER the third quarter? We couldn't score another td or at least a field goal to put the game out of reach? Where was the perfect play calling then? I was a big fan of Hue's until recently. If a HC can win only 1 game of 28 with this team, he's a loser. He needs to go....the sooner, the better.
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Or we need more experienced/better players?
The rams needed a better coach
The rams needed a better coach
Yes. THEY did.
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Ah....NO
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He's the answer to the question, who's the only HC to lead a team to back to back 0-13 starts in NFL history...so he's got that going for him.
He is now 9-36 as a HC in the NFL... 9 and fucking 36 and we should give him another year to do what? See if he can finally get into double figures in the win column for his career??
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If the question is: "What coach has lost 28 of his first 29 games as a Browns head coach?" - then yes, Huey is the answer.
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lol.... yeah... it's that easy being a general. Just "do stuff".... duh... Generals rise because they are good at getting others to get things done.
Sashi was an executive professional who ran an organization, a learning organization... and (hold onto your hat) from all indications he was running it well.
Look at the size of the organization that will be under Dorsey. It's functionality is his #1 job. The more he diverts his time to "scouting", the poorer will be his results. The more you hear things like "he's not organized" or the other things that cost him his job in KC.
Try this measure.... Is the team improving?
In particular in Hue's case you can ficus on the Offense since he is OC as well. However, when it comes to team discipline, or lack thereof, he is accountable for the entire team.
Agree as long as both utlization and teaching are evaluated.
Right, just tell people what to do without knowing how to do it yourself....recipe for disaster
Right, just tell people what to do without knowing how to do it yourself....recipe for disaster
Can you pick an argument and stick with it? Your original post was about how thrilled you are to have a GM who studies tape. That was what I addressed.
Now you switch to knowing how to do the discipline you manage. And, no, there is nothing wrong with that. But you also add "telling people what to do"... and there you go off the rails again.
Anyone, including you and me, could take the GM job and tell out scouts to "go scout". That is "what to do." Telling the scouts how to scout? Different matter and not necessarily one you want your GM doing as in scouting you want different approaches... you want diverging opinions... you want different perspectives.
There is something wrong with a GM that studies film? Or is it better to study stat sheets and astrology charts?
At least, snark aside, you circled back to your original point.
No, there is nothing wrong with a GM who studies tape... if that tape is of say the top QB prospects in a draft class. It becomes an issue if he is also studying a Central Michigan OL being considered for a round 3 comp pick. It's a major problem if he's culling through 20 CBs to see who is the most promising UDFA.
But then it becomes about what he does with the opinion he forms from his tape study.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Right, just tell people what to do without knowing how to do it yourself....recipe for disaster
Shouldn't that have a lot to do with the position coaches?
WSS
Shouldn't that have a lot to do with the position coaches?
I'd guess that varies from FO to FO.
Certainly in season I'd expect very little involvement, but in Jan-April, I'd expect positional scouts to spend time with their staff counterparts. Especially early to help set Pro-Day travel plans and late to set up positional "Little Boards".
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Right, just tell people what to do without knowing how to do it yourself....recipe for disaster
Can you pick an argument and stick with it? Your original post was about how thrilled you are to have a GM who studies tape. That was what I addressed.
Now you switch to knowing how to do the discipline you manage. And, no, there is nothing wrong with that. But you also add "telling people what to do"... and there you go off the rails again.
Anyone, including you and me, could take the GM job and tell out scouts to "go scout". That is "what to do." Telling the scouts how to scout? Different matter and not necessarily one you want your GM doing as in scouting you want different approaches... you want diverging opinions... you want different perspectives.
There is something wrong with a GM that studies film? Or is it better to study stat sheets and astrology charts?
At least, snark aside, you circled back to your original point.
No, there is nothing wrong with a GM who studies tape... if that tape is of say the top QB prospects in a draft class. It becomes an issue if he is also studying a Central Michigan OL being considered for a round 3 comp pick. It's a major problem if he's culling through 20 CBs to see who is the most promising UDFA.
But then it becomes about what he does with the opinion he forms from his tape study.
1) Anyone, including you and me, could take the GM job and tell out scouts to "go scout". That is "what to do." Telling the scouts how to scout? Different matter and not necessarily one you want your GM doing as in scouting you want different approaches... you want diverging opinions... you want different perspectives.
No, there is nothing wrong with a GM who studies tape... if that tape is of say the top QB prospects in a draft class. It becomes an issue if he is also studying a Central Michigan OL being considered for a round 3 comp pick. It's a major problem if he's culling through 20 CBs to see who is the most promising UDFA.
But then it becomes about what he does with the opinion he forms from his tape study.
1) Tour, I'm not going to argue about "consensus" anymore, but from some reports, Haslam asked Sashi to do exactly that, bring another (experienced) voice into the room. Brown didn't want to upset his perfect process? That I'm apparently not understanding somehow?
Britt was obviously Sashi's "guy". Sashi gone- Britt gone, what else was going on that we don't know about?
2) I just hope Dorsey can opinion us a franchise qb for once.... & as I mentioned in another thread, Kizer earned a 2018 roster spot in the Green Bay game... Don't know who to blame but just another lousy FG and we have our first win....
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Hue Jackson has done more Mr. Hero commercials in two years then wins he has with the browns.
He's obviously the answer!
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Interesting that still, close to 40% of the people on this board think Hue is the answer.
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This year is old and over already. Bring in a new regime. Get rid of Kizer and Hue.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Interesting that still, close to 40% of the people on this board think Hue is the answer.
Interesting that still, close to 40% of the people on this board think Hue is the answer.
I guarantee none of them know either way, they just dont want another redo on schemes. We cant bring in decent talent because we're constantly changing sht every year either on one side of the ball or both.
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This year is old and over already. Bring in a new regime. Get rid of Kizer and Hue.
This year is old and over already. Bring in a new regime. Get rid of Kizer and Hue.
This year might've been the worst year ever. I know a lot of people with optimism had their hearts crushed, and Jimmy's inconsistencies stabbed us in the back.
Ghoolie's assessment of Hue as black uncle fester was correct, and only God knows if Sashi's plan was genius, if he was in over his head, or a combination of both.
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Hue "A Man's Gotta Eat!" Jackson
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Just fire the walking whopper
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Hue is getting close to his swim date...or... Festivus for Fester!
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1) Anyone, including you and me, could take the GM job and tell out scouts to "go scout". That is "what to do." Telling the scouts how to scout? Different matter and not necessarily one you want your GM doing as in scouting you want different approaches... you want diverging opinions... you want different perspectives.
No, there is nothing wrong with a GM who studies tape... if that tape is of say the top QB prospects in a draft class. It becomes an issue if he is also studying a Central Michigan OL being considered for a round 3 comp pick. It's a major problem if he's culling through 20 CBs to see who is the most promising UDFA.
But then it becomes about what he does with the opinion he forms from his tape study.
1) Tour, I'm not going to argue about "consensus" anymore, but from some reports, Haslam asked Sashi to do exactly that, bring another (experienced) voice into the room. Brown didn't want to upset his perfect process? That I'm apparently not understanding somehow?
Britt was obviously Sashi's "guy". Sashi gone- Britt gone, what else was going on that we don't know about?
2) I just hope Dorsey can opinion us a franchise qb for once.... & as I mentioned in another thread, Kizer earned a 2018 roster spot in the Green Bay game... Don't know who to blame but just another lousy FG and we have our first win....
1) Tour, I'm not going to argue about "consensus" anymore, but from some reports, Haslam asked Sashi to do exactly that, bring another (experienced) voice into the room. Brown didn't want to upset his perfect process? That I'm apparently not understanding somehow?
Britt was obviously Sashi's "guy". Sashi gone- Britt gone, what else was going on that we don't know about?
h, there's a difference between bringing in an experienced voice to participate, e.g., Grigson, and an experienced voice to dominate. The latter does not "upset"; it destroys.
Britt was no more "Sashi's guy" than any other rostered player. So you know nothing of the former interworkings of our FO. But Britt may be Bill's guy...
Fear not, however... our new FO is much easier to understand.
Dorsey said. “I took the college scouts who were in town this week and had them take the top 12 quarterbacks in the draft and told them to watch them as a group, have discussions, and see what your rankings are in two days.
“I want to get a feeling, not only for their ability to scout..."
Care to guess what the yard stick for their scouting ability will be?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
1) Tour, I'm not going to argue about "consensus" anymore, but from some reports, Haslam asked Sashi to do exactly that, bring another (experienced) voice into the room. Brown didn't want to upset his perfect process? That I'm apparently not understanding somehow?
Britt was obviously Sashi's "guy". Sashi gone- Britt gone, what else was going on that we don't know about?
h, there's a difference between bringing in an experienced voice to participate, e.g., Grigson, and an experienced voice to dominate. The latter does not "upset"; it destroys.
Britt was no more "Sashi's guy" than any other rostered player. So you know nothing of the former interworkings of our FO. But Britt may be Bill's guy...
Fear not, however... our new FO is much easier to understand.
Dorsey said. “I took the college scouts who were in town this week and had them take the top 12 quarterbacks in the draft and told them to watch them as a group, have discussions, and see what your rankings are in two days.
“I want to get a feeling, not only for their ability to scout..."
Care to guess what the yard stick for their scouting ability will be?
h, there's a difference between bringing in an experienced voice to participate, e.g., Grigson, and an experienced voice to dominate. The latter does not "upset"; it destroys.
Britt was no more "Sashi's guy" than any other rostered player. So you know nothing of the former interworkings of our FO. But Britt may be Bill's guy...
!) Fear not, however... our new FO is much easier to understand.
2) Care to guess what the yard stick for their scouting ability will be?
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I failed at integral calculus Tour- that doesn't exactly make me a dunce. It's some of the perception of the process pumpers. Sashi and DePo were operating on a level so above anyone else, even opposing GM couldn't understand what they were doing. Sounds like a FO power struggle that Sashi lost. All I understand as a dumb fan is 1- 29 isn't working very well.
2) Just get me a damn QB, and you're going to look like a genius Mr. Dorsey...
PS I noticed today the Lake is starting to freeze over. cut a hole in it for Hue- go ice fishing, and oh well if you come back or not,
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