Dorsey Hired
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Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
You’re just whining because your boy got fired. Sure they were multi-year contributors, because children of the corn style cuts occurred and there was no one left on the roster. Literally a kid off the street could of gotten signed off the practice squad. Those metrics obviously didn’t = results and that’s part of the large reason we’re 1-28. A combination of Hue, Sashi, and ultimately Jimmy’s inefficiency.
because children of the corn style cuts occurred
Dude...... warn a guy before typing something like this
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Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Dorsey's hit rate on players and trade-down rate to acquire extra picks is nowhere near Sashi's.
But hey, a new GM changes everything.. especially Hue Jackson's clock management and playcalling!
You do realize Dorsey was fired for poor cap management at KC, right? Right?
*crickets*
Sashi's last 2 drafts: 24 picks, 20 will be multi-year NFL contributors.. Whether that's analytics or throwing darts at a board, it's better than most [all?] other GM's in the same time or same # of draft selections. And 1 extra 1 / 2 extra 2 in the 2018 draft. He'll get another GM job and if he's given the reins, he'll make a team that wins longer than the current Browns -- because..
Hey! You stole part of my sig!
Interesting thought on Sashi's future with another team. It is hard to believe that at least one team will not see what he accomplished in Berea. Whoever does hire him will set the bigger Berea exodus in motion.
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Moving on...
What I really stopped in here to discuss were the shots of Dorsey in Jimmah's ear all game long. Especially in light of Mike Florio's comment in NBC's SNF pregame show
Florio pretty much said Jimmah's comments about Hue having another year weren't worth the paper they are not written upon... that Dorsey has plenty of time to "help Haslam understand" how important it is for Dorsey to have his guy in the HC position.
And the kicker per Florio is that it is widely believed that Dorsey already knows who his guy is... that he has one name in mind.
I will cry no tears if that happens. And I won't at all hold it against Jimmy if he doesn't keep his word about keeping Hue on.
But I am curious of course about who Dorsey would bring in, if he had that chance.
Any speculation on that name? Of course, the place to look is the "Tree". Since Dorsey is a part of the Bill Walsh tree....we can look there. Start with former HCs:
Mike Smith
Marty Morningwheg
Jon Gruden
Raheem Morris
Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier
Jim Schwartz
Tom Cable
Scott Linehan
Mike Singletary
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Brian Billick
Jim Zorn
I will cry no tears if that happens. And I won't at all hold it against Jimmy if he doesn't keep his word about keeping Hue on.
But I am curious of course about who Dorsey would bring in, if he had that chance.
Any speculation on that name? Of course, the place to look is the "Tree". Since Dorsey is a part of the Bill Walsh tree....we can look there. Start with former HCs:
Mike Smith
Marty Morningwheg
Jon Gruden
Raheem Morris
Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier
Jim Schwartz
Tom Cable
Scott Linehan
Mike Singletary
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Brian Billick
Jim Zorn
Cross off any of the big names guys because Gruden, Cowher (yeah right), Harbaugh, etc, etc..are going to want complete control of the roster. They're going to want to be HC and GM in order to leave their cushy TV or college gigs.
I'd look at a guy like David Shaw at Stanford...see if he's willing to leave Palo Alto like Bill Walsh did way back when.
Of the names on your list? I hate every single one of them for one reason or another. I actually think Billick is an interesting name but he's said many times in interviews that he's done coaching, but if he'd be willing to come here as a FO consultant type, I wouldn't hate that decision.
Otherwise, find a young, hungry coordinator who wants to work his ass off to build a winner in Cleveland. That's the guy we need to find. Fuck if i know who he is...but that's what we need.
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But in his defense, and to be fair, no one really understands it........ well, except for you.
Not true, but thanks anyway for the recognition.
Thing is Sashi traded down at a rate that was unprecedented in the NFL. He paid the price for valuing picks over a potential franchise qb staring him in the face. 20 will be multi year contributors? Sorry if I think your math is way off. I see 5 picks from 2016 alone that I'll bet won't even be on the roster next year. One is already gone, but so what there- probably only 10% of 7th round picks stick. Probably a couple more from 2017. Andddd... It's easy to have those draft picks on the roster, when you essentially nuke the roster of veterans.
BTW, I'll wait for the "consensus" and "we have a process in place" guys explain why if it was all going so great- Haslam decided Sashi was the primary reason for lack of progress. I'm not buying the he got impatient again schtick.
Any thoughts about why Jimmah decided Sashi was the main reason the Browns are 1-28 going on 1-31?
PS- Kizer actually looked like an NFL QB yesterday, until he did a Weeden whoopsie in OT.
First... How dare you besmirch Wheezy's legacy! Kizer's pass was nowhere near Wheezy worthy. Wheezy did not need assists from Defenders to make a throw like that.
Second... of course Jimmah's impatience played a role. It is his shtick... but it was fed by others this time.
Hue got Jimmah's ear. We know that from the McCarron gambit, which you and other Sashi detractors laud him for scuttling. I think that was the opening that led to Sashi's downfall. That opened Jimmah to more "input" from Hue on where the responsibility for the record lay.
Add in the culmination of the "Football Guy Search" (which undoubtedly included dinners with Dorsey and likely included more "it did not have to be this bad" whimsy) and top that with Sashi's reluctance to accept Dorsey in a process-destroying role.
Third... remember "the approach" (not to be confused with the process), which included picking up draft picks via the loss of veterans thru FA, was agreed to by Jimmah.
Not true, but thanks anyway for the recognition.
First... How dare you besmirch Wheezy's legacy! Kizer's pass was nowhere near Wheezy worthy. Wheezy did not need assists from Defenders to make a throw like that.
Second... of course Jimmah's impatience played a role. It is his shtick... but it was fed by others this time.
Hue got Jimmah's ear. We know that from the McCarron gambit, which you and other Sashi detractors laud him for scuttling. I think that was the opening that led to Sashi's downfall. That opened Jimmah to more "input" from Hue on where the responsibility for the record lay.
Add in the culmination of the "Football Guy Search" (which undoubtedly included dinners with Dorsey and likely included more "it did not have to be this bad" whimsy) and top that with Sashi's reluctance to accept Dorsey in a process-destroying role.
Third... remember "the approach" (not to be confused with the process), which included picking up draft picks via the loss of veterans thru FA, was agreed to by Jimmah.
Hey I don't think I ever said Sashi did everything badly. But for good or ill, what's done is done. The SS Sashi Brown was torpedoed by the HMS Haslam. I doubt we'll ever know all the reasons, but I suspect it wasn't just the McCarron gambit. Regarding Hue, if he hypnotized Haslam, he'll be the next out the door when Dorsey breaks the spell he put on Jimmy. If you listened to Hue's post game presser right after Sashi was fired (I did) he was pretty clear it's a bottom line business, and his performance to date has been lacking.
Hey! You stole part of my sig!
Interesting thought on Sashi's future with another team. It is hard to believe that at least one team will not see what he accomplished in Berea. Whoever does hire him will set the bigger Berea exodus in motion.
If nothing else, Sashi will certainly land a job with another team as a bean counter\salary guy extraordinaire. Will that be anytime soon? Not so sure about that Tour. MHO? teams will be really leery of the 1-28 (and counting) Albatross he'll bring along with him. In today's NFL of quick turnarounds, what team is going to give him 3-4 years to do a total rebuild?
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I will cry no tears if that happens. And I won't at all hold it against Jimmy if he doesn't keep his word about keeping Hue on.
But I am curious of course about who Dorsey would bring in, if he had that chance.
Any speculation on that name? Of course, the place to look is the "Tree". Since Dorsey is a part of the Bill Walsh tree....we can look there. Start with former HCs:
Mike Smith
Marty Morningwheg
Jon Gruden
Raheem Morris
Spagnuolo
Leslie Frazier
Jim Schwartz
Tom Cable
Scott Linehan
Mike Singletary
Mike Nolan
Rex Ryan
Brian Billick
Jim Zorn
Cross off any of the big names guys because Gruden, Cowher (yeah right), Harbaugh, etc, etc..are going to want complete control of the roster. They're going to want to be HC and GM in order to leave their cushy TV or college gigs.
I'd look at a guy like David Shaw at Stanford...see if he's willing to leave Palo Alto like Bill Walsh did way back when.
Of the names on your list? I hate every single one of them for one reason or another. I actually think Billick is an interesting name but he's said many times in interviews that he's done coaching, but if he'd be willing to come here as a FO consultant type, I wouldn't hate that decision.
Otherwise, find a young, hungry coordinator who wants to work his ass off to build a winner in Cleveland. That's the guy we need to find. Fuck if i know who he is...but that's what we need.
Cross off any of the big names guys because Gruden, Cowher (yeah right), Harbaugh, etc, etc..are going to want complete control of the roster. They're going to want to be HC and GM in order to leave their cushy TV or college gigs.
I'd look at a guy like David Shaw at Stanford...see if he's willing to leave Palo Alto like Bill Walsh did way back when.
Of the names on your list? I hate every single one of them for one reason or another. I actually think Billick is an interesting name but he's said many times in interviews that he's done coaching, but if he'd be willing to come here as a FO consultant type, I wouldn't hate that decision.
Otherwise, find a young, hungry coordinator who wants to work his butt off to build a winner in Cleveland. That's the guy we need to find. Shmuck if i know who he is...but that's what we need.
Ghoolie will totally agree with you Mark. & exactly Dorsey was brought in to shape the roster, and he's not going to let his hand picked coach do it for him. I hope whoever it is will want to run a 4-3 base defense, or else it's another teardown\rebuild on that side of the ball.
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Cross off any of the big names guys because Gruden, Cowher (yeah right), Harbaugh, etc, etc..are going to want complete control of the roster. They're going to want to be HC and GM in order to leave their cushy TV or college gigs.
I'd look at a guy like David Shaw at Stanford...see if he's willing to leave Palo Alto like Bill Walsh did way back when.
Of the names on your list? I hate every single one of them for one reason or another. I actually think Billick is an interesting name but he's said many times in interviews that he's done coaching, but if he'd be willing to come here as a FO consultant type, I wouldn't hate that decision.
Otherwise, find a young, hungry coordinator who wants to work his butt off to build a winner in Cleveland. That's the guy we need to find. Shmuck if i know who he is...but that's what we need.
Ghoolie will totally agree with you Mark. & exactly Dorsey was brought in to shape the roster, and he's not going to let his hand picked coach do it for him. I hope whoever it is will want to run a 4-3 base defense, or else it's another teardown\rebuild on that side of the ball.
Ghoolie will totally agree with you Mark. & exactly Dorsey was brought in to shape the roster, and he's not going to let his hand picked coach do it for him. I hope whoever it is will want to run a 4-3 base defense, or else it's another teardown\rebuild on that side of the ball.
The only way one of those "big name coaches" comes here is if they really want to work hand in hand with Dorsey, then a guy like Gruden or whoever might not need total control but I still don't see it. A guy isn't going to leave his cushy 5 mill a year TV gig to work his ass off 20 hours per day without having total control of the roster.
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Ghoolie will totally agree with you Mark. & exactly Dorsey was brought in to shape the roster, and he's not going to let his hand picked coach do it for him. I hope whoever it is will want to run a 4-3 base defense, or else it's another teardown\rebuild on that side of the ball.
The only way one of those "big name coaches" comes here is if they really want to work hand in hand with Dorsey, then a guy like Gruden or whoever might not need total control but I still don't see it. A guy isn't going to leave his cushy 5 mill a year TV gig to work his ass off 20 hours per day without having total control of the roster.
The only way one of those "big name coaches" comes here is if they really want to work hand in hand with Dorsey, then a guy like Gruden or whoever might not need total control but I still don't see it. A guy isn't going to leave his cushy 5 mill a year TV gig to work his butt off 20 hours per day without having total control of the roster.
Not saying you are asking for it Mark, but I can't stress how Jon Gruden being the head coach of this Browns team would be a horrible idea.
He hates young players. His Raiders and Bucs team were some of the oldest teams in the league because of his preference of veteran players.
But I still don't think it's a slam dunk that Hue makes it past the Steelers game.
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Not true, but thanks anyway for the recognition.
First... How dare you besmirch Wheezy's legacy! Kizer's pass was nowhere near Wheezy worthy. Wheezy did not need assists from Defenders to make a throw like that.
Second... of course Jimmah's impatience played a role. It is his shtick... but it was fed by others this time.
Hue got Jimmah's ear. We know that from the McCarron gambit, which you and other Sashi detractors laud him for scuttling. I think that was the opening that led to Sashi's downfall. That opened Jimmah to more "input" from Hue on where the responsibility for the record lay.
Add in the culmination of the "Football Guy Search" (which undoubtedly included dinners with Dorsey and likely included more "it did not have to be this bad" whimsy) and top that with Sashi's reluctance to accept Dorsey in a process-destroying role.
Third... remember "the approach" (not to be confused with the process), which included picking up draft picks via the loss of veterans thru FA, was agreed to by Jimmah.
Hey I don't think I ever said Sashi did everything badly. But for good or ill, what's done is done. The SS Sashi Brown was torpedoed by the HMS Haslam. I doubt we'll ever know all the reasons, but I suspect it wasn't just the McCarron gambit. Regarding Hue, if he hypnotized Haslam, he'll be the next out the door when Dorsey breaks the spell he put on Jimmy. If you listened to Hue's post game presser right after Sashi was fired (I did) he was pretty clear it's a bottom line business, and his performance to date has been lacking.
Hey! You stole part of my sig!
Interesting thought on Sashi's future with another team. It is hard to believe that at least one team will not see what he accomplished in Berea. Whoever does hire him will set the bigger Berea exodus in motion.
If nothing else, Sashi will certainly land a job with another team as a bean counter\salary guy extraordinaire. Will that be anytime soon? Not so sure about that Tour. MHO? teams will be really leery of the 1-28 (and counting) Albatross he'll bring along with him. In today's NFL of quick turnarounds, what team is going to give him 3-4 years to do a total rebuild?
Hey I don't think I ever said Sashi did everything badly. But for good or ill, what's done is done. The SS Sashi Brown was torpedoed by the HMS Haslam. I doubt we'll ever know all the reasons, but I suspect it wasn't just the McCarron gambit. Regarding Hue, if he hypnotized Haslam, he'll be the next out the door when Dorsey breaks the spell he put on Jimmy. If you listened to Hue's post game presser right after Sashi was fired (I did) he was pretty clear it's a bottom line business, and his performance to date has been lacking.
If nothing else, Sashi will certainly land a job with another team as a bean counter\salary guy extraordinaire. Will that be anytime soon? Not so sure about that Tour. MHO? teams will be really leery of the 1-28 (and counting) Albatross he'll bring along with him. In today's NFL of quick turnarounds, what team is going to give him 3-4 years to do a total rebuild?
lol... Don't look now, but next year is year three. I love the clinging to the "quick turnaround" myth.
Also love that you give Sashi credit for managing the cap, but damn him for the manner in which he did it.
As for Hue's "narrative"... did you expect Hue to say, "I saw an opening and shoved AJ so far up Sashi's a$$ that there was no way he could stay afloat?" lol...
As for Sashi's next job... was thinking about this a lil last nite... running thru candidates. Anyway I came up with three criteria:
- Teams that haven't won it all.
- Teams that have been competitive recently, but are now falling.
- Teams that have ownership with a reputation for being "thrifty".
The name that fits? Cincinnati Bengals... No idea if it actually happens, but I could see Mike Brown loving the idea of turning the Browns abandoned approach back on them.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Hey I don't think I ever said Sashi did everything badly. But for good or ill, what's done is done. The SS Sashi Brown was torpedoed by the HMS Haslam. I doubt we'll ever know all the reasons, but I suspect it wasn't just the McCarron gambit. Regarding Hue, if he hypnotized Haslam, he'll be the next out the door when Dorsey breaks the spell he put on Jimmy. If you listened to Hue's post game presser right after Sashi was fired (I did) he was pretty clear it's a bottom line business, and his performance to date has been lacking.
If nothing else, Sashi will certainly land a job with another team as a bean counter\salary guy extraordinaire. Will that be anytime soon? Not so sure about that Tour. MHO? teams will be really leery of the 1-28 (and counting) Albatross he'll bring along with him. In today's NFL of quick turnarounds, what team is going to give him 3-4 years to do a total rebuild?
lol... Don't look now, but next year is year three. I love the clinging to the "quick turnaround" myth.
Also love that you give Sashi credit for managing the cap, but damn him for the manner in which he did it.
As for Hue's "narrative"... did you expect Hue to say, "I saw an opening and shoved AJ so far up Sashi's a$$ that there was no way he could stay afloat?" lol...
As for Sashi's next job... was thinking about this a lil last nite... running thru candidates. Anyway I came up with three criteria:
- Teams that haven't won it all.
- Teams that have been competitive recently, but are now falling.
- Teams that have ownership with a reputation for being "thrifty".
The name that fits? Cincinnati Bengals... No idea if it actually happens, but I could see Mike Brown loving the idea of turning the Browns abandoned approach back on them.
lol... Don't look now, but next year is year three. I love the clinging to the "quick turnaround" myth.
Also love that you give Sashi credit for managing the cap, but damn him for the manner in which he did it.
As for Hue's "narrative"... did you expect Hue to say, "I saw an opening and shoved AJ so far up Sashi's a$$ that there was no way he could stay afloat?" lol...
As for Sashi's next job... was thinking about this a lil last nite... running thru candidates. Anyway I came up with three criteria:
- Teams that haven't won it all.
- Teams that have been competitive recently, but are now falling.
- Teams that have ownership with a reputation for being "thrifty".
The name that fits? Cincinnati Bengals... No idea if it actually happens, but I could see Mike Brown loving the idea of turning the Browns abandoned approach back on them.
Ironically I was thinking of the Cincinnati Bengals before I finished reading your post! The reason being is that Mike Brown has always liked spending as little as he possibly of the salary cap and pocketing the rest.
WSS
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The only way one of those "big name coaches" comes here is if they really want to work hand in hand with Dorsey, then a guy like Gruden or whoever might not need total control but I still don't see it. A guy isn't going to leave his cushy 5 mill a year TV gig to work his butt off 20 hours per day without having total control of the roster.
Not saying you are asking for it Mark, but I can't stress how Jon Gruden being the head coach of this Browns team would be a horrible idea.
He hates young players. His Raiders and Bucs team were some of the oldest teams in the league because of his preference of veteran players.
But I still don't think it's a slam dunk that Hue makes it past the Steelers game.
Not saying you are asking for it Mark, but I can't stress how Jon Gruden being the head coach of this Browns team would be a horrible idea.
He hates young players. His Raiders and Bucs team were some of the oldest teams in the league because of his preference of veteran players.
But I still don't think it's a slam dunk that Hue makes it past the Steelers game.
I"m not asking for it. In fact, I think any "retread coach" is a horrific idea, especially one that has already won the big game. It's only happened once in history that someone has won the title with 2 different teams. I'll take those odds and bet that it isn't going to happen again any time soon so my vote would be to find whoever the next hot young assistant coach is in the league (like the Rams did with McVey) or I'd certainly make a call to David Shaw at Stanford.
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I think Coaching Tree is the wrong place to look for Dorsey's "mystery HC". I'd look at paths he's crossed during his playing and post-playing careers. Look at who he knows personally.
- Bob Sutton has been KC's DC for 5 years running. Long DC history before that plus 9 years of HC at Army. Bit old at almost 67.
- Tom Clements was a long time GB assistant during Dorsey's tenure. Rose to OC level. Also bit old at 64.... and is not in football this season(?).
Not easy to dig much deeper.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Hey I don't think I ever said Sashi did everything badly. But for good or ill, what's done is done. The SS Sashi Brown was torpedoed by the HMS Haslam. I doubt we'll ever know all the reasons, but I suspect it wasn't just the McCarron gambit. Regarding Hue, if he hypnotized Haslam, he'll be the next out the door when Dorsey breaks the spell he put on Jimmy. If you listened to Hue's post game presser right after Sashi was fired (I did) he was pretty clear it's a bottom line business, and his performance to date has been lacking.
If nothing else, Sashi will certainly land a job with another team as a bean counter\salary guy extraordinaire. Will that be anytime soon? Not so sure about that Tour. MHO? teams will be really leery of the 1-28 (and counting) Albatross he'll bring along with him. In today's NFL of quick turnarounds, what team is going to give him 3-4 years to do a total rebuild?
lol... Don't look now, but next year is year three. I love the clinging to the "quick turnaround" myth.
Also love that you give Sashi credit for managing the cap, but damn him for the manner in which he did it.
As for Hue's "narrative"... did you expect Hue to say, "I saw an opening and shoved AJ so far up Sashi's a$$ that there was no way he could stay afloat?" lol...
As for Sashi's next job... was thinking about this a lil last nite... running thru candidates. Anyway I came up with three criteria:
- Teams that haven't won it all.
- Teams that have been competitive recently, but are now falling.
- Teams that have ownership with a reputation for being "thrifty".
The name that fits? Cincinnati Bengals... No idea if it actually happens, but I could see Mike Brown loving the idea of turning the Browns abandoned approach back on them.
lol... Don't look now, but next year is year three. I love the clinging to the "quick turnaround" myth.
Also love that you give Sashi credit for managing the cap, but damn him for the manner in which he did it.
As for Hue's "narrative"... did you expect Hue to say, "I saw an opening and shoved AJ so far up Sashi's a$$ that there was no way he could stay afloat?" lol...
As for Sashi's next job... was thinking about this a lil last nite... running thru candidates. Anyway I came up with three criteria:
- Teams that haven't won it all.
- Teams that have been competitive recently, but are now falling.
- Teams that have ownership with a reputation for being "thrifty".
The name that fits? Cincinnati Bengals... No idea if it actually happens, but I could see Mike Brown loving the idea of turning the Browns abandoned approach back on them.
Year 3, too early to tell but what's your expectations for the Browns? I had us at 4 wins this year, and border line playoffs next. MHO is 2017 = Epic Fail, who knows 2018? But it better be at least 8 wins. Teams have gone from dumpster fires to the Super Bowl in that time frame.
Regarding the Bengals, hmmmm. Maybe. Mikey does like to stick it to the Browns. But Mike's daughter Katie Blackburn is their GM in training when Brown passes on. Sashi would just be their Cap guy, he'd never get roster control in Cincy.
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Not sure if in the 9 pages and counting the link to this article was posted. It's a good, fairly quick read.
The John Dorsey Dismissal: Where It Went Wrong in K.C.
https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/29/kansas-city-chiefs-john-dorsey-fired-nfl-notebook
The article goes bit deeper into a couple of the issues mentioned a couple posts along the way here. For example...
Given the power each then wielded, the stock criticism of Dorsey—that while he’s incredibly respected as an evaluator, he’s more scout than manager—was validated with a level of disorganization that was noticeable before the hyper-organized Ballard departed, and obvious after he left for Indy.
As one source explained it, “It wasn’t dysfunction so much as it was decisions were being made that seemed to come out of nowhere. So that existed, but the people here weren’t aware that ownership was aware of it. … You look back now, how it worked out, and ownership was more aware that it didn’t need to be run that way.”
There were also a few flash points to prove it out over the past 18 months:
• The selection of Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan in the fifth round of the 2016 draft. That move stunned scouts and coaches, based on the evaluation and meetings leading up to the draft. Hogan didn’t wind up making the team four months later, and started last season on the Browns’ practice squad.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The above link also includes a refresher on the status of analytics within all 32 teams.. not just Berea.
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I think Coaching Tree is the wrong place to look for Dorsey's "mystery HC". I'd look at paths he's crossed during his playing and post-playing careers. Look at who he knows personally.
- Bob Sutton has been KC's DC for 5 years running. Long DC history before that plus 9 years of HC at Army. Bit old at almost 67.
- Tom Clements was a long time GB assistant during Dorsey's tenure. Rose to OC level. Also bit old at 64.... and is not in football this season(?).
Not easy to dig much deeper.
I think Coaching Tree is the wrong place to look for Dorsey's "mystery HC". I'd look at paths he's crossed during his playing and post-playing careers. Look at who he knows personally.
- Bob Sutton has been KC's DC for 5 years running. Long DC history before that plus 9 years of HC at Army. Bit old at almost 67.
- Tom Clements was a long time GB assistant during Dorsey's tenure. Rose to OC level. Also bit old at 64.... and is not in football this season(?).
Not easy to dig much deeper.
I only used it as it applied to previous HCs. New coaches....guys that have never been an HC are harder to find.
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Not sure if in the 9 pages and counting the link to this article was posted. It's a good, fairly quick read.
The John Dorsey Dismissal: Where It Went Wrong in K.C.
https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/29/kansas-city-chiefs-john-dorsey-fired-nfl-notebook
The article goes bit deeper into a couple of the issues mentioned a couple posts along the way here. For example...
Given the power each then wielded, the stock criticism of Dorsey—that while he’s incredibly respected as an evaluator, he’s more scout than manager—was validated with a level of disorganization that was noticeable before the hyper-organized Ballard departed, and obvious after he left for Indy.
As one source explained it, “It wasn’t dysfunction so much as it was decisions were being made that seemed to come out of nowhere. So that existed, but the people here weren’t aware that ownership was aware of it. … You look back now, how it worked out, and ownership was more aware that it didn’t need to be run that way.”
There were also a few flash points to prove it out over the past 18 months:
• The selection of Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan in the fifth round of the 2016 draft. That move stunned scouts and coaches, based on the evaluation and meetings leading up to the draft. Hogan didn’t wind up making the team four months later, and started last season on the Browns’ practice squad.
Not sure if in the 9 pages and counting the link to this article was posted. It's a good, fairly quick read.
The John Dorsey Dismissal: Where It Went Wrong in K.C.
https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/29/kansas-city-chiefs-john-dorsey-fired-nfl-notebook
The article goes bit deeper into a couple of the issues mentioned a couple posts along the way here. For example...
Given the power each then wielded, the stock criticism of Dorsey—that while he’s incredibly respected as an evaluator, he’s more scout than manager—was validated with a level of disorganization that was noticeable before the hyper-organized Ballard departed, and obvious after he left for Indy.
As one source explained it, “It wasn’t dysfunction so much as it was decisions were being made that seemed to come out of nowhere. So that existed, but the people here weren’t aware that ownership was aware of it. … You look back now, how it worked out, and ownership was more aware that it didn’t need to be run that way.”
There were also a few flash points to prove it out over the past 18 months:
• The selection of Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan in the fifth round of the 2016 draft. That move stunned scouts and coaches, based on the evaluation and meetings leading up to the draft. Hogan didn’t wind up making the team four months later, and started last season on the Browns’ practice squad.
So? We have Hogan to thank/blame/whatever for having Dorsey here. What does that mean for PoG? Here is one answer:
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Not sure if in the 9 pages and counting the link to this article was posted. It's a good, fairly quick read.
The John Dorsey Dismissal: Where It Went Wrong in K.C.
https://www.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/29/kansas-city-chiefs-john-dorsey-fired-nfl-notebook
The article goes bit deeper into a couple of the issues mentioned a couple posts along the way here. For example...
Given the power each then wielded, the stock criticism of Dorsey—that while he’s incredibly respected as an evaluator, he’s more scout than manager—was validated with a level of disorganization that was noticeable before the hyper-organized Ballard departed, and obvious after he left for Indy.
As one source explained it, “It wasn’t dysfunction so much as it was decisions were being made that seemed to come out of nowhere. So that existed, but the people here weren’t aware that ownership was aware of it. … You look back now, how it worked out, and ownership was more aware that it didn’t need to be run that way.”
There were also a few flash points to prove it out over the past 18 months:
• The selection of Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan in the fifth round of the 2016 draft. That move stunned scouts and coaches, based on the evaluation and meetings leading up to the draft. Hogan didn’t wind up making the team four months later, and started last season on the Browns’ practice squad.
So? We have Hogan to thank/blame/whatever for having Dorsey here. What does that mean for PoG? Here is one answer:
So? We have Hogan to thank/blame/whatever for having Dorsey here. What does that mean for PoG? Here is one answer:
Great song.. Always loved this band..
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So? We have Hogan to thank/blame/whatever for having Dorsey here. What does that mean for PoG? Here is one answer:
Great song.. Always loved this band..
Great song.. Always loved this band..
The Faith Healer off of Next... is my ultimate Alex Harvey track. I love it... Otherwise the LP is uneven, but has more highs than lows. All the highs, including The Faith Healer and GangBang, were written by Harvey and McKenna.
Tomorrow Belongs to Me is the other LP I have by them... nowhere near as good... only one Havery/McKenna collaboration.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
lol... Don't look now, but next year is year three. I love the clinging to the "quick turnaround" myth.
Also love that you give Sashi credit for managing the cap, but damn him for the manner in which he did it.
As for Hue's "narrative"... did you expect Hue to say, "I saw an opening and shoved AJ so far up Sashi's a$$ that there was no way he could stay afloat?" lol...
As for Sashi's next job... was thinking about this a lil last nite... running thru candidates. Anyway I came up with three criteria:
- Teams that haven't won it all.
- Teams that have been competitive recently, but are now falling.
- Teams that have ownership with a reputation for being "thrifty".
The name that fits? Cincinnati Bengals... No idea if it actually happens, but I could see Mike Brown loving the idea of turning the Browns abandoned approach back on them.
Year 3, too early to tell but what's your expectations for the Browns? I had us at 4 wins this year, and border line playoffs next. MHO is 2017 = Epic Fail, who knows 2018? But it better be at least 8 wins. Teams have gone from dumpster fires to the Super Bowl in that time frame.
Regarding the Bengals, hmmmm. Maybe. Mikey does like to stick it to the Browns. But Mike's daughter Katie Blackburn is their GM in training when Brown passes on. Sashi would just be their Cap guy, he'd never get roster control in Cincy.
Year 3, too early to tell but what's your expectations for the Browns? I had us at 4 wins this year, and border line playoffs next. MHO is 2017 = Epic Fail, who knows 2018? But it better be at least 8 wins. Teams have gone from dumpster fires to the Super Bowl in that time frame.
Regarding the Bengals, hmmmm. Maybe. Mikey does like to stick it to the Browns. But Mike's daughter Katie Blackburn is their GM in training when Brown passes on. Sashi would just be their Cap guy, he'd never get roster control in Cincy.
I called it 2 wins, +/- 1. The Steeler will most likely kick the schidt out of New England and wrap up the home field advantage, The Steelers won't play anyone and the Browns best chance to win will be playing the Steelers 4th stringer and Duquesne Tamburitzan musicians.
Total poosy team. Poosy fans.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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