Kiser not the reason folks.
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And has progressed alot from the first 3 weeks of the season. And it seems like he's self tutored. No Offense coordinator, head coach, or veteran qb to bounch Sheet off of when the defense is on the field. TBO I was expecting Johnny Manziel vs Cincy every week out but he's been a nice surprise and more durable than any browns qb in recent memory. How easily he could have started every game this year but Hue is the "qb whisperer". Honestly at this point if hue says he's not the guy I'm locking the kid in to the future of this team. That's how much I don't trust Jackson anymore. I have no doubt in my mind Jackson manipulates and tanks players, plays, and games till he gets what he wants.
Thank you.
I don't know if Kizer will ever be a decent starting QB in the NFL.
I do know that he was drafted by most likely the WORST team he could have been drafted by. He had no business leaving school early, and he gets drafted by a team that, of course, decides to pair him with no veteran QB on a team where the HC is also the OC (denying him time on the sideline to talk with his OC because his OC is also bumbling his way through being a HC) and start him from Day 1 with an abysmal collection of WRs to throw to.
The Browns set Kizer up to fail. The Process completely ignored the most important position on the roster for two seasons.
Thank you.
I don't know if Kizer will ever be a decent starting QB in the NFL.
I do know that he was drafted by most likely the WORST team he could have been drafted by. He had no business leaving school early, and he gets drafted by a team that, of course, decides to pair him with no veteran QB on a team where the HC is also the OC (denying him time on the sideline to talk with his OC because his OC is also bumbling his way through being a HC) and start him from Day 1 with an abysmal collection of WRs to throw to.
The Browns set Kizer up to fail. The Process completely ignored the most important position on the roster for two seasons.
well, THis^^^
How anybody can look at the things that have transpired on the field this year and not understand that Kizer should have been tied up in the lockeroom all season.....I just don't know. It's absolutely true that this organization was the last one in football that had any business drafting a project like kizer. We have almost no track record of really developing talent. Guys that end up playing well for us usually were already ahead of the pack in college. I have zero doubt at this point tom brady would have been selling insurance or hosting some local access program for years now had the browns drafted him
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How do you sum the game up today??
Me. I say Kiser played great. He made the perfect pass to win the game and his TE Njoku dropped the ball to lose the game. And Hundley made a mistake (dangerous) or bad pass that his guy made a play on the ball and walked into the end zone to end the game.
If your answer is Brown's lost because of Kiser today then you absolutely will never deserve a winning team in Cleveland.
I am not defending the bad INT but it is the very last reason and honestly the smallest reason the browns lost today. If Kiser plays like he did today then the browns will have a chance to win every game the rest of the year. But we all know they will be drafting another qb next year and he absolutely deserves no time to progress. I absolutely expect a guy to come out game one and absolutely dominant games. I'm talking probowl or bust. That is the browns MO.
How do you sum the game up today??
Me. I say Kiser played great. He made the perfect pass to win the game and his TE Njoku dropped the ball to lose the game. And Hundley made a mistake (dangerous) or bad pass that his guy made a play on the ball and walked into the end zone to end the game.
If your answer is Brown's lost because of Kiser today then you absolutely will never deserve a winning team in Cleveland.
I am not defending the bad INT but it is the very last reason and honestly the smallest reason the browns lost today. If Kiser plays like he did today then the browns will have a chance to win every game the rest of the year. But we all know they will be drafting another qb next year and he absolutely deserves no time to progress. I absolutely expect a guy to come out game one and absolutely dominant games. I'm talking probowl or bust. That is the browns MO.
I don't BLAME him for struggling, he's a 21 year old kid on a bad team learning the hard way. He could still become a very good QB.
But his mistakes are have been dreadful, and have cost us many games. We are easily a 4-12, 5-11 team with a decent veteran QB. He is setting the new standard for red zone turnovers, and even when he has a "good" game, a costly mistake ensues with all the chips on the line.
There is a lot about him I like. But he has cost a shit ton of games this year. But it is a wasted year anyway, so the draft picks get better and now, hopefully, we have the right guy making the picks. Hopefully he wins one of these last three, I think he has worked hard and WANTS to win very badly.
Zombo
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How do you sum the game up today??
Me. I say Kiser played great. He made the perfect pass to win the game and his TE Njoku dropped the ball to lose the game. And Hundley made a mistake (dangerous) or bad pass that his guy made a play on the ball and walked into the end zone to end the game.
If your answer is Brown's lost because of Kiser today then you absolutely will never deserve a winning team in Cleveland.
I am not defending the bad INT but it is the very last reason and honestly the smallest reason the browns lost today. If Kiser plays like he did today then the browns will have a chance to win every game the rest of the year. But we all know they will be drafting another qb next year and he absolutely deserves no time to progress. I absolutely expect a guy to come out game one and absolutely dominant games. I'm talking probowl or bust. That is the browns MO.
I don't BLAME him for struggling, he's a 21 year old kid on a bad team learning the hard way. He could still become a very good QB.
But his mistakes are have been dreadful, and have cost us many games. We are easily a 4-12, 5-11 team with a decent veteran QB. He is setting the new standard for red zone turnovers, and even when he has a "good" game, a costly mistake ensues with all the chips on the line.
There is a lot about him I like. But he has cost a shit ton of games this year. But it is a wasted year anyway, so the draft picks get better and now, hopefully, we have the right guy making the picks. Hopefully he wins one of these last three, I think he has worked hard and WANTS to win very badly.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I don't BLAME him for struggling, he's a 21 year old kid on a bad team learning the hard way. He could still become a very good QB.
But his mistakes are have been dreadful, and have cost us many games. We are easily a 4-12, 5-11 team with a decent veteran QB. He is setting the new standard for red zone turnovers, and even when he has a "good" game, a costly mistake ensues with all the chips on the line.
There is a lot about him I like. But he has cost a Sheet ton of games this year. But it is a wasted year anyway, so the draft picks get better and now, hopefully, we have the right guy making the picks. Hopefully he wins one of these last three, I think he has worked hard and WANTS to win very badly.
Zombo
It's difficult to argue with you about Kizer's mistakes being dreadful. That pick in overtime absolutely crushed us, but you know what REALLY has hurt us this year besides his mistakes? Our defense's inability to get turnovers. In fact, I don't even remember the last one we FORCED, do you? We drop virtually every interception, we don't ever seem to recover fumbles, and we don't help our young QB. Yeah, Kizer's turnovers have crushed us this year, but our defense didn't do much to help. Neither did our special teams for THAT matter. We have one of the worst turnover ratios I've ever seen this year. Much of that is obviously due to Kizer, but not ALL of it. I don't know how many turnovers we caused last year, but I HAVE to believe it was more than this year's crappy effort.
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How do you sum the game up today??
Me. I say Kiser played great. He made the perfect pass to win the game and his TE Njoku dropped the ball to lose the game. And Hundley made a mistake (dangerous) or bad pass that his guy made a play on the ball and walked into the end zone to end the game.
If your answer is Brown's lost because of Kiser today then you absolutely will never deserve a winning team in Cleveland.
I am not defending the bad INT but it is the very last reason and honestly the smallest reason the browns lost today. If Kiser plays like he did today then the browns will have a chance to win every game the rest of the year. But we all know they will be drafting another qb next year and he absolutely deserves no time to progress. I absolutely expect a guy to come out game one and absolutely dominant games. I'm talking probowl or bust. That is the browns MO.
I don't BLAME him for struggling, he's a 21 year old kid on a bad team learning the hard way. He could still become a very good QB.
But his mistakes are have been dreadful, and have cost us many games. We are easily a 4-12, 5-11 team with a decent veteran QB. He is setting the new standard for red zone turnovers, and even when he has a "good" game, a costly mistake ensues with all the chips on the line.
There is a lot about him I like. But he has cost a shit ton of games this year. But it is a wasted year anyway, so the draft picks get better and now, hopefully, we have the right guy making the picks. Hopefully he wins one of these last three, I think he has worked hard and WANTS to win very badly.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I don't BLAME him for struggling, he's a 21 year old kid on a bad team learning the hard way. He could still become a very good QB.
But his mistakes are have been dreadful, and have cost us many games. We are easily a 4-12, 5-11 team with a decent veteran QB. He is setting the new standard for red zone turnovers, and even when he has a "good" game, a costly mistake ensues with all the chips on the line.
There is a lot about him I like. But he has cost a Sheet ton of games this year. But it is a wasted year anyway, so the draft picks get better and now, hopefully, we have the right guy making the picks. Hopefully he wins one of these last three, I think he has worked hard and WANTS to win very badly.
Zombo
+1 I just feel his short comings are easily fixed with experience and coaching. He really reminds me of cam Newton without all the baggage. He might even throw a better ball and isn't apt to run as much as cam did his rookie year.
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What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
I like him a lot better than Sammy...... not even close.
You like him a lot better than Sammy who?
What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
I like him a lot better than Sammy...... not even close.
You like him a lot better than Sammy who?
I believe he's referring to Sammy Hagar since you mentioned David Lee.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I'm not going to rag on Kizer too much, he's still a kid and the best QB on the roster.
He's still a little slow finding the open receiver.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I'm not going to rag on Kizer too much, he's still a kid and the best QB on the roster.
He's still a little slow finding the open receiver.
I'm not going to rag on Kizer too much, he's still a kid and the best QB on the roster.
He's still a little slow finding the open receiver.
Damn! Talk about locking on your primary read. Brady hits the other totally uncovered guy for an easy first down.
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And has progressed alot from the first 3 weeks of the season. And it seems like he's self tutored. No Offense coordinator, head coach, or veteran qb to bounch Sheet off of when the defense is on the field. TBO I was expecting Johnny Manziel vs Cincy every week out but he's been a nice surprise and more durable than any browns qb in recent memory. How easily he could have started every game this year but Hue is the "qb whisperer". Honestly at this point if hue says he's not the guy I'm locking the kid in to the future of this team. That's how much I don't trust Jackson anymore. I have no doubt in my mind Jackson manipulates and tanks players, plays, and games till he gets what he wants.
Thank you.
I don't know if Kizer will ever be a decent starting QB in the NFL.
I do know that he was drafted by most likely the WORST team he could have been drafted by. He had no business leaving school early, and he gets drafted by a team that, of course, decides to pair him with no veteran QB on a team where the HC is also the OC (denying him time on the sideline to talk with his OC because his OC is also bumbling his way through being a HC) and start him from Day 1 with an abysmal collection of WRs to throw to.
The Browns set Kizer up to fail. The Process completely ignored the most important position on the roster for two seasons.
How to contradict yourself in two consecutive sentences
by Dutch Oven.
The Browns set Kizer up to fail. The Process completely ignored the most important position on the roster for two seasons.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
What responsibility should we put on QB coach David Lee for Kizer's constant choking....and failure to learn from his mistakes?
I like him a lot better than Sammy...... not even close.
You like him a lot better than Sammy who?
I believe he's referring to Sammy Hagar since you mentioned David Lee.
I believe he's referring to Sammy Hagar since you mentioned David Lee.
OK....I get it. Actually a very good one that went over my head. Kudos on that.
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I'm not going to rag on Kizer too much, he's still a kid and the best QB on the roster.
He's still a little slow finding the open receiver.
I'm not going to rag on Kizer too much, he's still a kid and the best QB on the roster. He's still a little slow finding the open receiver.
Damn! Talk about locking on your primary read. Brady hits the other totally uncovered guy for an easy first down.
Sorry, guys.... not a matter of "speed" or "locking on".
This is a designed one-step drop from the gun. That means it is a quick pass. That means you go with where your pre-snap read tells you to go unless you pick something at the snap. There is no time to survey... no time to go thru your progressions. It's a one and done play.
Here's the pre-snap look. Note that there's is an LB shaded to Devalve, a DB crossing over him and a Safety pointing at him. Is that your primary? Njoku is the proper read here... but things change.
Here's the look immediately following the snap. The LB is blitzing. The DB is rotating to Duke. The Safety is still pointing. If a QB sees this action he goes to his "hot read", Devalve. Kizer is looking to catch the snap... as he should be and does not see the blitz coming. The LB has timed his move well.
And here is what Kizer sees when he turns to his pre-snap read... a TE about to cross the face of his coverage and be NFL Open.
It is not that Kizer is blameless here. I saw a couple things I did not like in this play.
- First, that he crouches so low to receive the snap. What ever chance he might have at 6'4 to glimpse the blitz coming at the snap was wiped out by crouching so low. At 5'9 Duke reacted very quickly to the 2nd blitzer, but he wasn't having to catch the snap. I need to see if this crouching is an every shotgun thing.
- Second, he is still phucking patting the ball. This is a critical 0.3 or 0.4 seconds lost and the shorter the pass, the more critical the loss. Aided by the pat the near DE almost batted down the pass. The DB definitely benefited by even the slight delay.
- Third, and this is as likely on Hue as it is on Kizer, the snap came with 1 second on the play clock. Why the big deal? If you watched the SNF game, BLT @ PTG, then you saw a critical situation late where Ben barked out a count and got the Ravens D to tip their hand. Then with 9 seconds left he adjusted his protection and the play worked. When have we ever seen Kizer with the time to do this?
So there are points to critique, but, guys, let's pick the right ones.
Oh... and it looked to me like the DB interfered with Njoku... very cleverly I might add. We all know how the Backjudge looks to see if the off arm hooks the receiver (usually around the waist) while the front arm reaches to bat down the ball? It's easy to see that back arm if it hooks. Well in this play the DB did the opposite grabbing Njoku's left arm and side with his left (front) arm, which the Backjudge could not see, while bringing his visible right arm over the top. Close play, but the grab was definitely before the ball arrived.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
How to contradict yourself in two consecutive sentences
by Dutch Oven.
The Browns set Kizer up to fail. The Process completely ignored the most important position on the roster for two seasons.
How to contradict yourself in two consecutive sentences
by Dutch Oven.
Well "i think" dutch's point is that drafting kizer was essentially still ignoring the position. Taking a project flyer in the 2nd on a kid who's own college coach told the nfl "now dont u go out and do it now, dont u do it"....prob isnt being serious about addressing the situation.
I personally am still ok with the pick, if he had worked out...if he didnt have these yips that will never leave him.....that could have been nice for us. Its time to go get a #1 tho
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How to contradict yourself in two consecutive sentences
by Dutch Oven.
Well "i think" dutch's point is that drafting kizer was essentially still ignoring the position. Taking a project flyer in the 2nd on a kid who's own college coach told the nfl "now dont u go out and do it now, dont u do it"....prob isnt being serious about addressing the situation.
I personally am still ok with the pick, if he had worked out...if he didnt have these yips that will never leave him.....that could have been nice for us. Its time to go get a #1 tho
Well "i think" dutch's point is that drafting kizer was essentially still ignoring the position. Taking a project flyer in the 2nd on a kid who's own college coach told the nfl "now dont u go out and do it now, dont u do it"....prob isnt being serious about addressing the situation.
I personally am still ok with the pick, if he had worked out...if he didnt have these yips that will never leave him.....that could have been nice for us. Its time to go get a #1 tho
Absolutely agree that was the intended point, but since I disagree with the point and his intent was not reflected in his post...
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I'm not going to rag on Kizer too much, he's still a kid and the best QB on the roster. He's still a little slow finding the open receiver.
Damn! Talk about locking on your primary read. Brady hits the other totally uncovered guy for an easy first down.
Sorry, guys.... not a matter of "speed" or "locking on".
This is a designed one-step drop from the gun. That means it is a quick pass. That means you go with where your pre-snap read tells you to go unless you pick something at the snap. There is no time to survey... no time to go thru your progressions. It's a one and done play.
Here's the pre-snap look. Note that there's is an LB shaded to Devalve, a DB crossing over him and a Safety pointing at him. Is that your primary? Njoku is the proper read here... but things change.
Here's the look immediately following the snap. The LB is blitzing. The DB is rotating to Duke. The Safety is still pointing. If a QB sees this action he goes to his "hot read", Devalve. Kizer is looking to catch the snap... as he should be and does not see the blitz coming. The LB has timed his move well.
And here is what Kizer sees when he turns to his pre-snap read... a TE about to cross the face of his coverage and be NFL Open.
It is not that Kizer is blameless here. I saw a couple things I did not like in this play.
- First, that he crouches so low to receive the snap. What ever chance he might have at 6'4 to glimpse the blitz coming at the snap was wiped out by crouching so low. At 5'9 Duke reacted very quickly to the 2nd blitzer, but he wasn't having to catch the snap. I need to see if this crouching is an every shotgun thing.
- Second, he is still phucking patting the ball. This is a critical 0.3 or 0.4 seconds lost and the shorter the pass, the more critical the loss. Aided by the pat the near DE almost batted down the pass. The DB definitely benefited by even the slight delay.
- Third, and this is as likely on Hue as it is on Kizer, the snap came with 1 second on the play clock. Why the big deal? If you watched the SNF game, BLT @ PTG, then you saw a critical situation late where Ben barked out a count and got the Ravens D to tip their hand. Then with 9 seconds left he adjusted his protection and the play worked. When have we ever seen Kizer with the time to do this?
So there are points to critique, but, guys, let's pick the right ones.
Oh... and it looked to me like the DB interfered with Njoku... very cleverly I might add. We all know how the Backjudge looks to see if the off arm hooks the receiver (usually around the waist) while the front arm reaches to bat down the ball? It's easy to see that back arm if it hooks. Well in this play the DB did the opposite grabbing Njoku's left arm and side with his left (front) arm, which the Backjudge could not see, while bringing his visible right arm over the top. Close play, but the grab was definitely before the ball arrived.
Sorry, guys.... not a matter of "speed" or "locking on".
This is a designed one-step drop from the gun. That means it is a quick pass. That means you go with where your pre-snap read tells you to go unless you pick something at the snap. There is not time to survey... to go thru your progressions.
Here's the pre-snap look. Note that there's is an LB shaded to Devalve, a DB crossing over him and a Safety pointing at him. Is that your primary? Njoku is the proper read here... but things change.
Here's the look immediately following the snap. The LB is blitzing. The DB is rotating to Duke. The Safety is still pointing. If a QB sees this action he goes to his "hot read", Devalve. Kizer is looking to catch the snap... as he should be and does not see the blitz coming. The LB has timed his move well.
And here is what Kizer sees when he turns to his pre-snap read... a TE about to cross the face of his coverage and be NFL Open.
It is not that Kizer is blameless here. I saw a couple things I did not like in this play.
- First, that he crouches so low to receive the snap. What ever chance he might have at 6'4 to glimpse the blitz coming at the snap was wiped out by crouching so low. At 5'9 Duke reacted very quickly to the 2nd blitzer, but he wasn't having to catch the snap. I need to see if this crouching is an every shotgun thing.
- Second, he is still phucking patting the ball. This is a critical 0.3 or 0.4 seconds lost and the shorter the pass, the more critical the loss. Aided by the pat the near DE almost batted down the pass. The DB definitely benefited by even the slight delay.
- Third, and this is as likely on Hue as it is on Kizer, the snap came with 1 second on the play clock. Why the big deal? If you watched the SNF game, BLT @ PTG, then you saw a critical situation late where Ben barked out a count and got the Ravens D to tip their hand. Then with 9 seconds left he adjusted his protection and the play worked. When have we ever seen Kizer with the time to do this?
So there are points to critique, but, guys, let's pick the right ones.
Oh... and it looked to me like the DB interfered with Njoku... very cleverly I might add. We all know how the Backjudge looks to see if the off arm hooks the receiver (usually around the waist) while the front arm reaches to bat down the ball? It's easy to see that back arm if it hooks. Well in this play the DB did the opposite grabbing Njoku's left arm and side with his left (front) arm, which the Backjudge could not see, while bringing his visible right arm over the top. Close play, but the grab was definitely before the ball arrived.
Thats the kind of knowledgeable analysis this board needs a sht ton more of. Id like to see ur take on that last throw....what did kizer see? Or think he saw whatever.
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Sorry, guys.... not a matter of "speed" or "locking on".
This is a designed one-step drop from the gun. That means it is a quick pass. That means you go with where your pre-snap read tells you to go unless you pick something at the snap. There is not time to survey... to go thru your progressions.
Here's the pre-snap look. Note that there's is an LB shaded to Devalve, a DB crossing over him and a Safety pointing at him. Is that your primary? Njoku is the proper read here... but things change.
Here's the look immediately following the snap. The LB is blitzing. The DB is rotating to Duke. The Safety is still pointing. If a QB sees this action he goes to his "hot read", Devalve. Kizer is looking to catch the snap... as he should be and does not see the blitz coming. The LB has timed his move well.
And here is what Kizer sees when he turns to his pre-snap read... a TE about to cross the face of his coverage and be NFL Open.
It is not that Kizer is blameless here. I saw a couple things I did not like in this play.
- First, that he crouches so low to receive the snap. What ever chance he might have at 6'4 to glimpse the blitz coming at the snap was wiped out by crouching so low. At 5'9 Duke reacted very quickly to the 2nd blitzer, but he wasn't having to catch the snap. I need to see if this crouching is an every shotgun thing.
- Second, he is still phucking patting the ball. This is a critical 0.3 or 0.4 seconds lost and the shorter the pass, the more critical the loss. Aided by the pat the near DE almost batted down the pass. The DB definitely benefited by even the slight delay.
- Third, and this is as likely on Hue as it is on Kizer, the snap came with 1 second on the play clock. Why the big deal? If you watched the SNF game, BLT @ PTG, then you saw a critical situation late where Ben barked out a count and got the Ravens D to tip their hand. Then with 9 seconds left he adjusted his protection and the play worked. When have we ever seen Kizer with the time to do this?
So there are points to critique, but, guys, let's pick the right ones.
Oh... and it looked to me like the DB interfered with Njoku... very cleverly I might add. We all know how the Backjudge looks to see if the off arm hooks the receiver (usually around the waist) while the front arm reaches to bat down the ball? It's easy to see that back arm if it hooks. Well in this play the DB did the opposite grabbing Njoku's left arm and side with his left (front) arm, which the Backjudge could not see, while bringing his visible right arm over the top. Close play, but the grab was definitely before the ball arrived.
Thats the kind of knowledgeable analysis this board needs a sht ton more of. Id like to see ur take on that last throw....what did kizer see? Or think he saw whatever.
Thats the kind of knowledgeable analysis this board needs a sht ton more of. Id like to see ur take on that last throw....what did kizer see? Or think he saw whatever.
You're not going to like the answer because I've read it on another thread but I'll let Tour answer.
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I'm not going to rag on Kizer too much, he's still a kid and the best QB on the roster. He's still a little slow finding the open receiver.
Damn! Talk about locking on your primary read. Brady hits the other totally uncovered guy for an easy first down.
Sorry, guys.... not a matter of "speed" or "locking on".
This is a designed one-step drop from the gun. That means it is a quick pass. That means you go with where your pre-snap read tells you to go unless you pick something at the snap. There is no time to survey... no time to go thru your progressions. It's a one and done play.
Here's the pre-snap look. Note that there's is an LB shaded to Devalve, a DB crossing over him and a Safety pointing at him. Is that your primary? Njoku is the proper read here... but things change.
Here's the look immediately following the snap. The LB is blitzing. The DB is rotating to Duke. The Safety is still pointing. If a QB sees this action he goes to his "hot read", Devalve. Kizer is looking to catch the snap... as he should be and does not see the blitz coming. The LB has timed his move well.
And here is what Kizer sees when he turns to his pre-snap read... a TE about to cross the face of his coverage and be NFL Open.
It is not that Kizer is blameless here. I saw a couple things I did not like in this play.
- First, that he crouches so low to receive the snap. What ever chance he might have at 6'4 to glimpse the blitz coming at the snap was wiped out by crouching so low. At 5'9 Duke reacted very quickly to the 2nd blitzer, but he wasn't having to catch the snap. I need to see if this crouching is an every shotgun thing.
- Second, he is still phucking patting the ball. This is a critical 0.3 or 0.4 seconds lost and the shorter the pass, the more critical the loss. Aided by the pat the near DE almost batted down the pass. The DB definitely benefited by even the slight delay.
- Third, and this is as likely on Hue as it is on Kizer, the snap came with 1 second on the play clock. Why the big deal? If you watched the SNF game, BLT @ PTG, then you saw a critical situation late where Ben barked out a count and got the Ravens D to tip their hand. Then with 9 seconds left he adjusted his protection and the play worked. When have we ever seen Kizer with the time to do this?
So there are points to critique, but, guys, let's pick the right ones.
Oh... and it looked to me like the DB interfered with Njoku... very cleverly I might add. We all know how the Backjudge looks to see if the off arm hooks the receiver (usually around the waist) while the front arm reaches to bat down the ball? It's easy to see that back arm if it hooks. Well in this play the DB did the opposite grabbing Njoku's left arm and side with his left (front) arm, which the Backjudge could not see, while bringing his visible right arm over the top. Close play, but the grab was definitely before the ball arrived.
Sorry, guys.... not a matter of "speed" or "locking on".
This is a designed one-step drop from the gun. That means it is a quick pass. That means you go with where your pre-snap read tells you to go unless you pick something at the snap. There is no time to survey... no time to go thru your progressions. It's a one and done play.
Here's the pre-snap look. Note that there's is an LB shaded to Devalve, a DB crossing over him and a Safety pointing at him. Is that your primary? Njoku is the proper read here... but things change.
It's the kind of play that I've seen the Seahawks run with Jimmy Graham. Now Njoku isn't on Grahams level at this point but he does fit that mold of a big, athletic, strong TE and he should be able to fend off the smaller DB. Seattle runs it a lot near the goal line and its nearly impossible to stop and this play was as well. As you say..the DB interfered with him and I still think Njoku should've caught a really well thrown ball.
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How to contradict yourself in two consecutive sentences
by Dutch Oven.
The Browns set Kizer up to fail. The Process completely ignored the most important position on the roster for two seasons.
How to contradict yourself in two consecutive sentences
by Dutch Oven.
Not at all.
The Process was allegedly about doing things the right way for the long term success of the Browns franchise. Nothing the Browns did concerning the QB position in these last two seasons has put them an iota closer to long term success.
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How to contradict yourself in two consecutive sentences
by Dutch Oven.
Not at all.
The Process was allegedly about doing things the right way for the long term success of the Browns franchise. Nothing the Browns did concerning the QB position in these last two seasons has put them an iota closer to long term success.
Not at all.
The Process was allegedly about doing things the right way for the long term success of the Browns franchise. Nothing the Browns did concerning the QB position in these last two seasons has put them an iota closer to long term success.
Point was we drafted Kizer. Can't do that and "completely ignore" the QB position.
Thats the kind of knowledgeable analysis this board needs a sht ton more of.
Id like to see ur take on that last throw....what did kizer see? Or think he saw whatever.
Thanks... but more than knowledge it's just stopping to look. Something posted, or I think, doesn't "ring true" and I take a look. Speaking of which... I am not sure my own characterization of "one-step drop" rings true... but nothing to look at in this case... just not sure why you'd design a one-step drop from the gun...
I think my earlier reply to which Mark refers on the last throw was that I have no clue. I only know that after the play he was gesturing as if he had spotted someone fairly deep... much deeper than the throw ended up traveling because Mathews hit his right-forearm.
That said, given that he tried to launch that ball with his feet parallel to the LOS... I have serous doubt it would have gone as far as he was trying to throw it.
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@dutch-oven said:
Pettine deserved way better than he got from this organization.
Round 1 of the 2014 Browns draft is case in point.
Wasn't he elated about Gilbert?
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@dutch-oven said:
Pettine deserved way better than he got from this organization.
Round 1 of the 2014 Browns draft is case in point.
Wasn't he elated about Gilbert?
Wasn't he elated about Gilbert?
He was a head coach who probably asked Farmer to get him a big CB, because his defensive system called for it. On paper, Farmer delivered, so Pettine was probably happy.
Then he had to coach him, and probably very quickly (and from what I recall it wasn't real hard to sense Pettine's frustration with Gilbert) realized that he was given a dud.
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