McShea
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I'd rather have Rosen but a blue-chip quarterback and running back before you get to the second round sounds good to me.
Darnold has "Happy Feet". I understand why he does, but once a QB gets them, it is hard to get him to give them up.
At #1 give me the guy with the best mechanics I've seen in years, not one I have to fix.... give me the guy whose floor is highest... ESPECIALLY at #1 overall.
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I'd rather have Rosen but a blue-chip quarterback and running back before you get to the second round sounds good to me.
Darnold has "Happy Feet". I understand why he does, but once a QB gets them, it is hard to get him to give them up.
At #1 give me the guy with the best mechanics I've seen in years, not one I have to fix.... give me the guy whose floor is highest... ESPECIALLY at #1 overall.
Darnold has "Happy Feet". I understand why he does, but once a QB gets them, it is hard to get him to give them up.
At #1 give me the guy with the best mechanics I've seen in years, not one I have to fix.... give me the guy whose floor is highest... ESPECIALLY at #1 overall.
You got someone in mind?
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No HB that high
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I would like two real good players in round 1.
One that can throw it.....and one that can catch it.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Darnold has "Happy Feet". I understand why he does, but once a QB gets them, it is hard to get him to give them up.
At #1 give me the guy with the best mechanics I've seen in years, not one I have to fix.... give me the guy whose floor is highest... ESPECIALLY at #1 overall.
You got someone in mind?
You got someone in mind?
I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume Tour means Rosen...
No HB that high
Agreed
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I would like two real good players in round 1.
One that can throw it.....and one that can catch it.
I would like two real good players in round 1.
One that can throw it.....and one that can catch it.
The problem is, unless you trade down with the Texans pick, there's a good chance taking a WR in the #6-10 range is somewhat of a reach. (And I like Ridley, but IMO he doesn't appear to be a stud no-doubt #1 type of guy)
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I would like two real good players in round 1.
One that can throw it.....and one that can catch it.
I would like two real good players in round 1.
One that can throw it.....and one that can catch it.
Or run with it. Best QB @ #1, if Barkley is still around with the Texans pick- go for it. No trade ups please. The Richardson stench still lingers.... And Saquon is no Trent, just MHO.
If Gordon stays out of trouble, and Coleman stays healthy, we're OK @ wr. Can wait till day 2 to go for that # 3 wideout, or make an offer for one of the top FA wrs. Just please no second round stinkers like Little, Massaquoi, or Robiski.
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IMO it’s hard to trust Rosen’s durability in the AFCN at 215lbs. Great accuracy still, coming off a 6 game sophomore season due to throwing shoulder surgery with 13 sacks in 6 games. Than this season, watched Rosen get the snot kicked out of him with A&M but the kid took it like a Josh McCown fighter’s attitude coming back from the dead to win. October’s not his month for injury, following shoulder last October, Washington got Josh this October for a concussion which Josh tried to hide from coaches & played. than at Cal, Josh got pulled for precautionary coach’s decision on 3 more sacks which last sack Josh got up s l o w l y..Long way till April, Also like Chubbs or Fitz on the Houston pick
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Lamar Jackson it is
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What about this Josh Allen fellow from Wyoming? He already is used to wearing a hideous uniform and playing for a team no one cares about.
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I would like two real good players in round 1.
One that can throw it.....and one that can catch it.
Or run with it. Best QB @ #1, if Barkley is still around with the Texans pick- go for it. No trade ups please. The Richardson stench still lingers.... And Saquon is no Trent, just MHO.
If Gordon stays out of trouble, and Coleman stays healthy, we're OK @ wr. Can wait till day 2 to go for that # 3 wideout, or make an offer for one of the top FA wrs. Just please no second round stinkers like Little, Massaquoi, or Robiski.
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Who does he have us taking with our 2nd 1st round pick ?
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Saquon sucks
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Who does he have us taking with our 2nd 1st round pick ?
Saw him on Golic/Wingo this morning. He is saying take Darnold with #1 and Saquon Barkley #6.
That answer your question darren?
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I'd rather have Rosen but a blue-chip quarterback and running back before you get to the second round sounds good to me.
Darnold has "Happy Feet". I understand why he does, but once a QB gets them, it is hard to get him to give them up.
At #1 give me the guy with the best mechanics I've seen in years, not one I have to fix.... give me the guy whose floor is highest... ESPECIALLY at #1 overall.
Darnold has "Happy Feet". I understand why he does, but once a QB gets them, it is hard to get him to give them up.
At #1 give me the guy with the best mechanics I've seen in years, not one I have to fix.... give me the guy whose floor is highest... ESPECIALLY at #1 overall.
I keep hearing this crap about Darnold having the higher ceiling...child please. The Browns don't need the higher POSSIBLE ceiling, they need the most NFL ready prospect who also happens to be physically gifted, and his name is Rosen. I'm not saying Darnold doesn't have his share of admirable traits, but if most pundits are saying Rosen is more advanced at this juncture, then I don't see the point in drafting anybody else. Rosen is a joy to watch, and I'm quite fond of the way he climbs the pocket and doesn't panic when feeling pressure. Rosen isn't the "perfect candidate" and definitely has parts of his game to improve, but I'm very interested in reading more about him both as a player and a person in the months to come.
The other guy who might come to Cleveland is Baker Mayfield, and we've already read how John Dorsey has personally been to 6 of his games this season. I've always said that the qb that breaks us out of this miserable slump is going to be someone special. Someone who refuses to lose, refuses to give into "same old Browns" mentality, refuses to accept this supposed curse. Mayfield has the kind of fire I could see working in Cleveland. The kind of personality I could really see the fans embracing and rallying behind.
One of the biggest aspects to Kizer's game that concerned me coming out of college was he wasn't known to be "clutch". It's difficult to quantify this metric, but I heard some kind of stat that basically said Kizer almost never won a game when down 1 score in the 4th quarter (or something like that). Don't quote me on that, as I know I butchered it, but you get the point. Basically, when the game was in the line, Kizer wasn't generally in top form. To be fair to Kizer, there were a few times in college when he drove down the field in the 4th quarter and scored for a lead, but his defense didn't hold. But when he got the ball back in "crunch time", he didn't deliver.
Now, also being fair to Kizer, he SHOULD'VE won the game last week. On the biggest 3rd down of his career, he delivered the ball to Njoku directly in his chest. Not high, not behind him, and not low. It was a strike when we needed it the most. The Packers had only the 2 minute warning to stop the clock, and they would have gotten the ball back with about a minute to go. That's assuming we didn't pick up another 1st down with Crow and flat out ending it that way. But again, Kizer gets the ball back in OT, and instead of being clutch, falls victim to an experienced pro in Matthews.
I'm not saying Josh Rosen isn't a clutch guy, I haven't picked apart his games yet. I remember his comeback in the A&M game (I think) in which his team still lost (again, I think) and that was pretty awesome. Now,Rosen was greatly assisted by an AMAZING catch and run, but still...he made the throw.
This QB dissection is going to be fun before the draft. We're going to post a bunch, probably change our minds, and get into some fun discussions. But here's the thing: There's absolutely NO guarantee whoever we draft is going to beat out Kizer. In fact, it's going to be very difficult TO beat him out, especially if Hue Jackson really gets to stay. Having a year of the offense under his belt is a big leg up, and many QBs in the NFL show remarkable improvement in their second seasons. Now, we know better than to EXPECT Josh Gordon to be here in 2018, but if he is, we'll have a legit #1 target. Just in 2 games it's completely obvious to see what an elite target does for a QB. Toss in a quality free agent WR, improvement from Njoku, and maybe a stud draft pick...we might have an offense.
But let's be honest here. We all know that Kizer's turnovers have devastated us this year, but most of us realize the biggest aspect of our team that prevents us from winning is our defense. We saw it again last week. Sure, Kizer's pick is what people remember, but our defense completely killed us. Again. We give up a passer rating of 103 against qb's this year. That's INSANE people. Aaron Rodgers leads the league in qb rating average, and I believe his career average rating is like 102. So basically we're playing Aaron Rodgers every week because our defense is just THAT BAD. We need to fix this before we can fix anything else.
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I'd rather have Rosen but a blue-chip quarterback and running back before you get to the second round sounds good to me.
Darnold has "Happy Feet". I understand why he does, but once a QB gets them, it is hard to get him to give them up.
At #1 give me the guy with the best mechanics I've seen in years, not one I have to fix.... give me the guy whose floor is highest... ESPECIALLY at #1 overall.
Darnold has "Happy Feet". I understand why he does, but once a QB gets them, it is hard to get him to give them up.
At #1 give me the guy with the best mechanics I've seen in years, not one I have to fix.... give me the guy whose floor is highest... ESPECIALLY at #1 overall.
Who might that be? I said I'd rather have Rosen.
WSS
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You got someone in mind?
I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume Tour means Rosen...
No HB that high
Agreed
I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume Tour means Rosen...
And you, Sir, would be correct.
I'm not sure if Gip has a comprehension issue or a retention issue... or both.
I keep hearing this crap about Darnold having the higher ceiling...child please. The Browns don't need the higher POSSIBLE ceiling, they need the most NFL ready prospect who also happens to be physically gifted, and his name is Rosen. I'm not saying Darnold doesn't have his share of admirable traits, but if most pundits are saying Rosen is more advanced at this juncture, then I don't see the point in drafting anybody else. Rosen is a joy to watch, and I'm quite fond of the way he climbs the pocket and doesn't panic when feeling pressure. Rosen isn't the "perfect candidate" and definitely has parts of his game to improve, but I'm very interested in reading more about him both as a player and a person in the months to come.
Great summary...
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Darnold has "Happy Feet".
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I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume Tour means Rosen...
And you, Sir, would be correct.
I'm not sure if Gip has a comprehension issue or a retention issue... or both.
I have a "I don't give a Shite" issue....
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