Positives from the 2017 season?
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@ Tour: What you are saying is that, like the old adage, man does not live on bread alone. Good teams do not live on a good QB alone.
There certainly have been some good QBs playing on bad teams...and vice versa.
Curious question: Which teams this year 2017 are being held back by a bad QB?
And are there any actually bad teams that have been greatly enhanced by the presence of a good QB?
Pretty much got it, Gip. Right now Wentz is "bread".... "white bread" if you want to go there.
The "other" stat line I placed above Carson's is Dak's from 2016. A good QB who came into a great situation as a rookie. A QB some Wentzbackers, among others, have pointed out looks pretty ordinary this year absent his LT and RB and a Sean Lee led D. Can't disagree with that, but the telling thing I see between the two stat lines are the 4QC (4th Qtr Comeback) and GWD (Game Winning Drive) figures. While these are from mutually exclusive measures of "clutch", they are macro-ish measures of that quality. I am not saying Wentz lacks it, just that there's no solid evidence he has it at the NFL level.
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
You've raised a pair of good, thread-worthy QB questions. I'll wait for you to crank one up rather than further "derail" this tread....
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
Anyone want to talk about Carson today?
Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
Anyone want to talk about Carson today?
Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.
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Not saying he does not turn out to be Prime Filet Mignon... just not there yet. I think he has the opportunity this Sunday in Seattle to show if he is heading up the food chain.
Anyone want to talk about Carson today?
Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.
Looking forward to seeing how his fill in does tomorrow... and the next two weeks.
Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?
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Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?
m a y b e . . .
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?
m a y b e . . .
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Are you implying that Wentz is an average QB who benefits greatly from the system he plays in?
m a y b e . . .
m a y b e . . .
we can all speculate on anything we want. I can speculate tom brady is an average qb without BB. All the analytical guys(Barnwell types) as well as the non-analytical types seem to feel Wentz has been very very good this year and a top 5 qb at least. You're kind of on your own island on this. Well not kind of. I guess there is nothing wrong with having an extremely different viewpoint, but when it also corresponds to a projection one had before actual data was in, well thats a bit suspicious.....
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I love my island...
... and for half a game anyway my original darkhorse is making my island looks like valuable real estate. Speculation ends as data arrives.
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 15/23 142 3 0 But it is against the NY football Giants, so... we shall see.
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I love my island...
... and for half a game anyway my original darkhorse is making my island looks like valuable real estate. Speculation ends as data arrives.
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 15/23 142 3 0 But it is against the NY football Giants, so... we shall see.
I love my island...
... and for half a game anyway my original darkhorse is making my island looks like valuable real estate. Speculation ends as data arrives.
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 15/23 142 3 0 But it is against the NY football Giants, so... we shall see.
foles is a good back up. I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career. But he's been real good this year. one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened.
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My biggest positive will only be Hue getting fired. Otherwise NOTHING has been positive
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I love my island...
... and for half a game anyway my original darkhorse is making my island looks like valuable real estate. Speculation ends as data arrives.
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 15/23 142 3 0 But it is against the NY football Giants, so... we shall see.
foles is a good back up. I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career. But he's been real good this year. one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened.
foles is a good back up. I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career. But he's been real good this year. one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened.
Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0 That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.
The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...
The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.
How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
foles is a good back up. I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career. But he's been real good this year. one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened.
Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0 That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.
The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...
The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.
How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.
Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0 That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.
The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...
The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.
How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.
Na your wrong the argument is just how bad Jeff Fisher was with quarterbacks
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foles is a good back up. I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career. But he's been real good this year. one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened.
Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0 That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.
The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...
The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.
How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.
The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...
The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.
I believe that watching him doing stuff only Russell Wilson and Aaron freaking Rodgers do, has something to do with general perception of Wentz's level.
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The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...
The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.
I believe that watching him doing stuff only Russell Wilson and Aaron freaking Rodgers do, has something to do with general perception of Wentz's level.
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foles is a good back up. I don't know what is in store for Wentzs career. But he's been real good this year. one of the best in the league. We know that as it already happened.
Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0 That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.
The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...
The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.
How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.
Point is that "a good back up" stepped in and the Eagles Offense did not miss a beat.
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT N. Foles 24/38 237 4 0 That's data point #1 with two more to come in the regular season... and at least one in the regular season.
The argument is not whether Wentz is "good"... he is... Top 20 and everything...
The argument is whether he is "great"... "one of the best in the league"...even "MVP-worthy".... I don't think he is. I think he's a good QB being elevated by a great team.
How well his "good back up" does filling in is a test of my island's integrity.
Wentz is good, but one thing that seems to fly under the radar is the Eagles have a top 5 defense.
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Another positive.... after acquiring their QB of the future, the 9ers have now won 4 games in a row and no longer are in the discussion for the #1 pick next year....... although some here will tell us that there is no difference in an 0-16 season and a 5-11 season, so I guess the jokes on the 9ers and their fans.
Whew...... would've hated to have given up that #1 slot come April.
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