Why Garoppolo Isn't A Brown
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I'm calling BS. Bill B would send his mom to the Browns for the right offer. He could care less.
Thanks, man.
Belichick has always been famous for releasing and trading important players from NE, just when you'd expect him to keep them. He's a cold man who runs the business showing little or no affection to his players, which allows him to pull the trigger off if needed.
That's why I don't buy the 'they traded Garoppolo to SF make him good' Sheet. They traded him there because they were running out of time to get something in exchange for Garoppolo, as he is going to be FA in 2019 and they couldn't afford both Brady's and Garoppolo's new contract. And because there was no time, they didn't call Cleveland, which already offered a 2nd round for him in April, and had drafted Kizer because the Pats didn't accept the deal. And why didn't they call the Browns? Well, if you force a team that offered you a 2nd round, to use that round pick (I know it was not exactly the same pick, but helps to understand my point) in a rookie QB -Kizer-, if you come 6 months later, in midseason, asking for a deal, they will surely offer you less. EVERYONE would offer you less than before.
Therefore, instead of getting in long negotiations with the Browns, they opted to directly call the 49ers instead, so they could get the deal done really fast.
Belichick has always been famous for releasing and trading important players from NE, just when you'd expect him to keep them. He's a cold man who runs the business showing little or no affection to his players, which allows him to pull the trigger off if needed.
No true. Even if it were true - so what. This is NOT about affection. Sheesh.
Belichick has traded 'apparent' top line players a year or two early rather than a year or two late. He has players in the wings that can step right in. That is exactly what he wanted to do with the likes of Michael Dean Perry.
I know Gipper considers BB to be, simply, a nincompoop who happens to have Tom Brady as his QB. NOBODY in the NFL feels that way. Beer-bender fans are just that - been bender fans.
How much to the Pats miss Jamie Collins?
If you want affection, I suggest you watch Lifetime Network.
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Belichick has always been famous for releasing and trading important players from NE, just when you'd expect him to keep them. He's a cold man who runs the business showing little or no affection to his players, which allows him to pull the trigger off if needed.
No true. Even if it were true - so what. This is NOT about affection. Sheesh.
Belichick has traded 'apparent' top line players a year or two early rather than a year or two late. He has players in the wings that can step right in. That is exactly what he wanted to do with the likes of Michael Dean Perry.
I know Gipper considers BB to be, simply, a nincompoop who happens to have Tom Brady as his QB. NOBODY in the NFL feels that way. Beer-bender fans are just that - been bender fans.
How much to the Pats miss Jamie Collins?
If you want affection, I suggest you watch Lifetime Network.
No true. Even if it were true - so what. This is NOT about affection. Sheesh.
Belichick has traded 'apparent' top line players a year or two early than a year or two late. He has players in the wings that can step right in. That is exactly what he wanted to do with the likes of Michael Dean Perry.
I know Gipper considers, simply, a nincompoop who happens to have Tom Brady as his QB. NOBODY in the NFL feels that way. Beer-bender fans are just that - been bender fans.
How much to the Pats miss Jamie Collins?
If you want affection, I suggest you watch Lifetime Network.
If you want to understand what I said, I suggest you to read thoroughly what I said.
And repeat the process as many times as needed.
No need to say sorry.
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No true. Even if it were true - so what. This is NOT about affection. Sheesh.
Belichick has traded 'apparent' top line players a year or two early than a year or two late. He has players in the wings that can step right in. That is exactly what he wanted to do with the likes of Michael Dean Perry.
I know Gipper considers, simply, a nincompoop who happens to have Tom Brady as his QB. NOBODY in the NFL feels that way. Beer-bender fans are just that - been bender fans.
How much to the Pats miss Jamie Collins?
If you want affection, I suggest you watch Lifetime Network.
If you want to understand what I said, I suggest you to read thoroughly what I said.
And repeat the process as many times as needed.
No need to say sorry.
If you want to understand what I said, I suggest you to read thoroughly what I said.
And repeat the process as many times as needed.
No need to say sorry.
Don't be a jackass, Nero. I might have misinterpreted your intent. Maybe your statement was elusive or misleading.
Either way, I don't care.
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Belichick has always been famous for releasing and trading important players from NE, just when you'd expect him to keep them. He's a cold man who runs the business showing little or no affection to his players, which allows him to pull the trigger off if needed.
No true. Even if it were true - so what. This is NOT about affection. Sheesh.
Belichick has traded 'apparent' top line players a year or two early rather than a year or two late. He has players in the wings that can step right in. That is exactly what he wanted to do with the likes of Michael Dean Perry.
I know Gipper considers BB to be, simply, a nincompoop who happens to have Tom Brady as his QB. NOBODY in the NFL feels that way. Beer-bender fans are just that - been bender fans.
How much to the Pats miss Jamie Collins?
If you want affection, I suggest you watch Lifetime Network.
No true. Even if it were true - so what. This is NOT about affection. Sheesh.
Belichick has traded 'apparent' top line players a year or two early rather than a year or two late. He has players in the wings that can step right in. That is exactly what he wanted to do with the likes of Michael Dean Perry.
I know Gipper considers BB to be, simply, a nincompoop who happens to have Tom Brady as his QB. NOBODY in the NFL feels that way. Beer-bender fans are just that - been bender fans.
How much to the Pats miss Jamie Collins?
If you want affection, I suggest you watch Lifetime Network.
No...you have not read my stuff. I said that Belichick is a good coach who could have his teams in playoff contention regularly. I said that it is Brady that makes them a Champion.
And if you don't believe that then it is YOU who are the nimcompoop.
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No true. Even if it were true - so what. This is NOT about affection. Sheesh.
Belichick has traded 'apparent' top line players a year or two early rather than a year or two late. He has players in the wings that can step right in. That is exactly what he wanted to do with the likes of Michael Dean Perry.
I know Gipper considers BB to be, simply, a nincompoop who happens to have Tom Brady as his QB. NOBODY in the NFL feels that way. Beer-bender fans are just that - been bender fans.
How much to the Pats miss Jamie Collins?
If you want affection, I suggest you watch Lifetime Network.
No...you have not read my stuff. I said that Belichick is a good coach who could have his teams in playoff contention regularly. I said that it is Brady that makes them a Champion.
And if you don't believe that then it is YOU who are the nimcompoop.
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Arguably, BB is the best coach in. NFL history
We can agree to disagree.
I will paraphrase James Brown:
He would be nothing, nothing, not one little thing without (Tom Brady)
Actually, he wouldn't be nothing. He would be like Andy Reid....
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I'm calling BS. Bill B would send his mom to the Browns for the right offer. He could care less.
Thanks, man.
Belichick has always been famous for releasing and trading important players from NE, just when you'd expect him to keep them. He's a cold man who runs the business showing little or no affection to his players, which allows him to pull the trigger off if needed.
That's why I don't buy the 'they traded Garoppolo to SF make him good' Sheet. They traded him there because they were running out of time to get something in exchange for Garoppolo, as he is going to be FA in 2019 and they couldn't afford both Brady's and Garoppolo's new contract. And because there was no time, they didn't call Cleveland, which already offered a 2nd round for him in April, and had drafted Kizer because the Pats didn't accept the deal. And why didn't they call the Browns? Well, if you force a team that offered you a 2nd round, to use that round pick (I know it was not exactly the same pick, but helps to understand my point) in a rookie QB -Kizer-, if you come 6 months later, in midseason, asking for a deal, they will surely offer you less. EVERYONE would offer you less than before.
Therefore, instead of getting in long negotiations with the Browns, they opted to directly call the 49ers instead, so they could get the deal done really fast.
Bill's the best... Tom's the best. It's called symbioses...
Belichick has always been famous for releasing and trading important players from NE, just when you'd expect him to keep them. He's a cold man who runs the business showing little or no affection to his players, which allows him to pull the trigger off if needed.
Missed this earlier... I'll disagree to this extent.
I think Bill has true affection for his players. I have seen this in his in- and post-game reactions to their play. I have seen him show affection in the moment. He simply does not allow his feelings to enter into his decision process when it comes to what's best for the team.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Bill's the best... Tom's the best. It's called symbioses...
Belichick has always been famous for releasing and trading important players from NE, just when you'd expect him to keep them. He's a cold man who runs the business showing little or no affection to his players, which allows him to pull the trigger off if needed.
Missed this earlier... I'll disagree to this extent.
I think Bill has true affection for his players. I have seen this in his in- and post-game reactions to their play. I have seen him show affection in the moment. He simply does not allow his feelings to enter into his decision process when it comes to what's best for the team.
Bill's the best... Tom's the best. It's called symbioses...
Missed this earlier... I'll disagree to this extent.
I think Bill has true affection for his players. I have seen this in his in- and post-game reactions to their play. I have seen him show affection in the moment. He simply does not allow his feelings to enter into his decision process when it comes to what's best for the team.
Well, I don't imagine him being really Emperor Palpatine as many people have jokingly pointed out, but what I said is that I don't buy that they traded Garoppolo to SF to 'make him good'. All the moves he does are to get the best for his team, not to do any favor to any of his players.
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Bill's the best... Tom's the best. It's called symbioses...
Missed this earlier... I'll disagree to this extent.
I think Bill has true affection for his players. I have seen this in his in- and post-game reactions to their play. I have seen him show affection in the moment. He simply does not allow his feelings to enter into his decision process when it comes to what's best for the team.
Well, I don't imagine him being really Emperor Palpatine as many people have jokingly pointed out, but what I said is that I don't buy that they traded Garoppolo to SF to 'make him good'. All the moves he does are to get the best for his team, not to do any favor to any of his players.
Well, I don't imagine him being really Emperor Palpatine as many people have jokingly pointed out, but what I said is that I don't buy that they traded Garoppolo to SF to 'make him good'. All the moves he does are to get the best for his team, not to do any favor to any of his players.
He got the best he could do. What did he get? A 2d round pick out of SFO? For a guy that in theory may only play 5-6 games for the Niners. If GPO wants to go FA and switch teams, he can. Bill wanted him out of the AFC with the best deal he could get...and SFO gave it to him. Could he re-up with SFO to make it worthwhile......but would that be the case if GPO goes?
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Arguably, BB is the best coach in. NFL history
We can agree to disagree.
I will paraphrase James Brown:
He would be nothing, nothing, not one little thing without (Tom Brady)
Actually, he wouldn't be nothing. He would be like Andy Reid....
He would be nothing, nothing, not one little thing without (Tom Brady)
Actually, he wouldn't be nothing. He would be like Andy Reid....
Well, Gip, we all have one.
Prove what you say. I say he is one of the best coaches in NFL history - if not THE best. I have objective measures. You have ONE, like the rest of us.
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Bill is Croatian. He is the best coach in history.
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He would be nothing, nothing, not one little thing without (Tom Brady)
Actually, he wouldn't be nothing. He would be like Andy Reid....
Well, Gip, we all have one.
Prove what you say. I say he is one of the best coaches in NFL history - if not THE best. I have objective measures. You have ONE, like the rest of us.
Well, Gip, we all have one.
Prove what you say. I say he is one of the best coaches in NFL history - if not THE best. I have objective measures. You have ONE, like the rest of us.
You want an "objective measure"? Try counting how many winning seasons he has had WITHOUT Tom Brady as his primary starting QB.
I will save you the time: He has 2 seasons with a winning record....and 5 seasons with a losing record.
He has ONE post season playoff win in which Tom Brady was not his starting QB. (He is 1-1 without Brady in the postseason)
So....like I said, he is a good coach and would probably have his team contending some for playoff spots.
Tom Brady has made him a Champion.
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Compare him to Joe Gibbs....who I think was a far better coach.
Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls, all with different QBs. One with Theisman(also lost one with him). One with Rypien, One with Doug Williams.
THAT is a superior coach.
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Compare him to Joe Gibbs....who I think was a far better coach.
Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls, all with different QBs. One with Theisman(also lost one with him). One with Rypien, One with Doug Williams.
THAT is a superior coach.
Compare him to Joe Gibbs....who I think was a far better coach.
Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls, all with different QBs. One with Theisman(also lost one with him). One with Rypien, One with Doug Williams.
THAT is a superior coach.
Gibbs is one of the best, tool Maybe better, based on your select criteria.
Using Belichek's record in Cleveland is foolhardy.
He inherited a horrible team - not as bad as this one, but a horrible team. Not too many coaches are hired to coach Good teams. Granted, he blew some early draft picks - the G he drafted in the 2nd round his first draft and Touchdown Tommy Vardell the following year.
Then, when he got them to Good - maybe SB contention - the already-crumbling organization became more visible. The team had no money, the players were thinking about picking up their families and moving, etc.
It was just a couple of years ago that - except for the QB position - the Browns had a stronger roster than the Patriots.
Not sure if you're a Trial Attorney but you do sound a bit like '12 Angry Men'
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Compare him to Joe Gibbs....who I think was a far better coach.
Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls, all with different QBs. One with Theisman(also lost one with him). One with Rypien, One with Doug Williams.
THAT is a superior coach.
Gibbs is one of the best, tool Maybe better, based on your select criteria.
Using Belichek's record in Cleveland is foolhardy.
He inherited a horrible team - not as bad as this one, but a horrible team. Not too many coaches are hired to coach Good teams. Granted, he blew some early draft picks - the G he drafted in the 2nd round his first draft and Touchdown Tommy Vardell the following year.
Then, when he got them to Good - maybe SB contention - the already-crumbling organization became more visible. The team had no money, the players were thinking about picking up their families and moving, etc.
It was just a couple of years ago that - except for the QB position - the Browns had a stronger roster than the Patriots.
Not sure if you're a Trial Attorney but you do sound a bit like '12 Angry Men'
Gibbs is one of the best, tool Maybe better, based on your select criteria.
Using Belichek's record in Cleveland is foolhardy.
He inherited a horrible team - not as bad as this one, but a horrible team. Not too many coaches are hired to coach Good teams. Granted, he blew some early draft picks - the G he drafted in the 2nd round his first draft and Touchdown Tommy Vardell the following year.
He inherited a team that was just ONE year from having won a division title. NOT using his Cleveland record is foolhardy....because it demonstrates the kind of coach he is without Brady.
And, its NOT like he was here just one year...he was here 5 years.....longer than any coach we have had since. He had 4 losing seasons in 5 years.
Then, when he got them to Good - maybe SB contention - the already-crumbling organization became more visible. The team had no money, the players were thinking about picking up their families and moving, etc.
Well...if you want to attribute SOME blame on Art Modell...well, yes. But BB was here for 4 years without the threat of the "move". And yes, he was building....and again, I repeat....he is a good coach that can field a playoff contending team...but he is sub .500 overall without a guy named Brady playing for him. Brady makes him a champion.
It was just a couple of years ago that - except for the QB position - the Browns had a stronger roster than the Patriots.
Do you want to repeat that? Did you say that but for Brady....the Browns had a stronger roster than the Pats just two years ago? Well first off...you are going to have to explain and expound upon that. Beyond that.....that statement then just supports my position...that it is Brady that is THE main cog in anything the Pats have done over these years.
Not sure if you're a Trial Attorney but you do sound a bit like '12 Angry Men'
I am a trial magistrate...at times. And what I go by are facts and evidence. And all the facts and evidence point in the direction of my argument.
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Remind me, Gip...
How is it you dismiss 2008? The year the Pats went 11-5 with Cassell at QB?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Gibbs is one of the best, tool Maybe better, based on your select criteria.
Using Belichek's record in Cleveland is foolhardy.
He inherited a horrible team - not as bad as this one, but a horrible team. Not too many coaches are hired to coach Good teams. Granted, he blew some early draft picks - the G he drafted in the 2nd round his first draft and Touchdown Tommy Vardell the following year.
He inherited a team that was just ONE year from having won a division title. NOT using his Cleveland record is foolhardy....because it demonstrates the kind of coach he is without Brady.
And, its NOT like he was here just one year...he was here 5 years.....longer than any coach we have had since. He had 4 losing seasons in 5 years.
Then, when he got them to Good - maybe SB contention - the already-crumbling organization became more visible. The team had no money, the players were thinking about picking up their families and moving, etc.
Well...if you want to attribute SOME blame on Art Modell...well, yes. But BB was here for 4 years without the threat of the "move". And yes, he was building....and again, I repeat....he is a good coach that can field a playoff contending team...but he is sub .500 overall without a guy named Brady playing for him. Brady makes him a champion.
It was just a couple of years ago that - except for the QB position - the Browns had a stronger roster than the Patriots.
Do you want to repeat that? Did you say that but for Brady....the Browns had a stronger roster than the Pats just two years ago? Well first off...you are going to have to explain and expound upon that. Beyond that.....that statement then just supports my position...that it is Brady that is THE main cog in anything the Pats have done over these years.
Not sure if you're a Trial Attorney but you do sound a bit like '12 Angry Men'
I am a trial magistrate...at times. And what I go by are facts and evidence. And all the facts and evidence point in the direction of my argument.
Do you want to repeat that? Did you say that but for Brady....the Browns had a stronger roster than the Pats just two years ago? Well first off...you are going to have to explain and expound upon that. Beyond that.....that statement then just supports my position...that it is Brady that is THE main cog in anything the Pats have done over these years.
I don't need to explain anything, Gip. That was your mantra not too long ago.
It shows that prejudice clouds your judgment
You probably don't like BB because he waived BK. Who knows.
PS What distinguishes a Magistrate from an Attorney - serious question.
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Remind me, Gip...
How is it you dismiss 2008? The year the Pats went 11-5 with Cassell at QB?
Remind me, Gip...
How is it you dismiss 2008? The year the Pats went 11-5 with Cassell at QB?
I don't. Did I say I did? Again, you just make up you own stupid conclusions. Nor do I dismiss 1994...when the Browns made the playoffs (not sure of their exact record) I said as follows: BB is a good coach that can make a team a playoff contender.....but it is Brady that makes them a champion."
What is it about that you do not comprehend?
In 7 years without Brady BB has a winning record in 2 of them. A losing record in 5 of them. He has made the playoffs in one of them. (though certainly usually 11-5 is good for a playoff berth...but not in 2008). He has a 1-1 record in the playoffs without Brady. (both games in 1994 with the Browns....where he beat the Bills then got stomped by Cowher and the Steelers).
Again....plain, simple, unadulterated facts.
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Do you want to repeat that? Did you say that but for Brady....the Browns had a stronger roster than the Pats just two years ago? Well first off...you are going to have to explain and expound upon that. Beyond that.....that statement then just supports my position...that it is Brady that is THE main cog in anything the Pats have done over these years.
I don't need to explain anything, Gip. That was your mantra not too long ago.
It shows that prejudice clouds your judgment
You probably don't like BB because he waived BK. Who knows.
PS What distinguishes a Magistrate from an Attorney - serious question.
I don't need to explain anything, Gip. That was your mantra not too long ago.
It shows that prejudice clouds your judgment
You probably don't like BB because he waived BK. Who knows.
PS What distinguishes a Magistrate from an Attorney - serious question.
A. I will be glad to defer to your "judgment" if you can convince a majority of people on here to agree with you that just two years ago (which is what you said) the Browns had a "stronger roster" than the Browns...with the exception of Brady.
And people who feel they don't need to explain their positions.....lose.
I think BB was the one with clouded judgment when he waived BK....because the Browns...WERE on the path to a winning season. With that move he firebombed the Browns chances.....because he was not replacing Drew Bledsoe with Tom Brady....he replaced BK with Todd Philcox, a move that torpedoed any chance the team had to win. Why? Because Bernie knew how to run an offense better than BB....BB knew that BK knew how to run an offense better than he....but he was too stubborn to give his 3 time AFC conference title game QB the free reign to call or change plays that BB called. BB who had never had experience as an offensive play caller. What I was mad about was the fact that he put the Browns in position to LOSE like all of the rest of the games that season. It took them two years to recover from that.
As far as the difference between an attorney and a magistrate: a magistrate is a "judge". An attorney represents one side or the other, the magistrate is the neutral arbiter.
And no, no one is permitted to be both advocate and arbiter....which I assume you may want to say that that is what I am trying to do in this case. It is not what I am trying to do. But I have enough experience at both jobs to know when the facts and evidence are in my favor. In this case, they are in my favor.
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I don't need to explain anything, Gip. That was your mantra not too long ago.
It shows that prejudice clouds your judgment
You probably don't like BB because he waived BK. Who knows.
PS What distinguishes a Magistrate from an Attorney - serious question.
A. I will be glad to defer to your "judgment" if you can convince a majority of people on here to agree with you that just two years ago (which is what you said) the Browns had a "stronger roster" than the Browns...with the exception of Brady.
And people who feel they don't need to explain their positions.....lose.
I think BB was the one with clouded judgment when he waived BK....because the Browns...WERE on the path to a winning season. With that move he firebombed the Browns chances.....because he was not replacing Drew Bledsoe with Tom Brady....he replaced BK with Todd Philcox, a move that torpedoed any chance the team had to win. Why? Because Bernie knew how to run an offense better than BB....BB knew that BK knew how to run an offense better than he....but he was too stubborn to give his 3 time AFC conference title game QB the free reign to call or change plays that BB called. BB who had never had experience as an offensive play caller. What I was mad about was the fact that he put the Browns in position to LOSE like all of the rest of the games that season. It took them two years to recover from that.
As far as the difference between an attorney and a magistrate: a magistrate is a "judge". An attorney represents one side or the other, the magistrate is the neutral arbiter.
And no, no one is permitted to be both advocate and arbiter....which I assume you may want to say that that is what I am trying to do in this case. It is not what I am trying to do. But I have enough experience at both jobs to know when the facts and evidence are in my favor. In this case, they are in my favor.
A. I will be glad to defer to your "judgment" if you can convince a majority of people on here to agree with you that just two years ago (which is what you said) the Browns had a "stronger roster" than the Browns...with the exception of Brady
Gip, it was YOU over and over and over again who said the Browns roster was stronger than the Pats roster. The driving difference in W-L records was simply the fact the Pats had Brady at QB.
You have to get the majority of people to agree with your statements.
Are you denying - Mr. Magistrate - that you were not ranting and raving about how the Browns have a stronger roster than the Pats, except at the QB position.
Don't be a Shep.
Since 1999, I've been called an anti-fan (my term) because I always predicted the Browns would have a lousy record. Ironically, I was always optimistic via the rearview mirror.
PS I don't believe we have Magistrates in MA or CT. Or, fortunately, I have yet to find out.
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