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How do you land a "franchise" QB and not end up being the Lions?

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  • SkippinTurtles S Conversation Starter Dedicated First Post Collaborator One Year In Week One Done One Month Later
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    S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by
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    Stafford checks every box in terms of talent and production.  No playoff success.  Please explain how this wouldn't happen here.

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      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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      Have a running game that can salt away the clock.    Toss in a defense that can limit the oppositions run game and generate turnovers.  

      Please take note, I don't believe the Lions have both of those. 

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        Stafford checks every box in terms of talent and production.  No playoff success.  Please explain how this wouldn't happen here.

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        @skippinturtles said:

        Stafford checks every box in terms of talent and production.  No playoff success.  Please explain how this wouldn't happen here.

        Getting to the playoffs would already be a massive improvement.

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          Stafford checks every box in terms of talent and production.  No playoff success.  Please explain how this wouldn't happen here.

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          @skippinturtles said:

          Stafford checks every box in terms of talent and production.  No playoff success.  Please explain how this wouldn't happen here.

          stafford is not elite though....he's a starter and *possibly* top 2/5ths(?), but these guys I would definately rather have than stafford to play a single game(say next week injuries aside):

          brady, rodgers, brees, ryan, cam newton, wilson, wentz, roethlesburger, goff

          thats 9 right there.

          then you have other guys like mariota, carr, rivers, an a couple other guys who are tossups with stafford.

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            S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by SkippinTurtles
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            Stafford would be a better prospect than any QB coming out this year.  And he's won nada.  What can the Browns do to draft a QB and not push him blindly into traffic?  Another 0-16 year and draft picks.  My god.

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              Stafford would be a better prospect than any QB coming out this year.  And he's won nada.  What can the Browns do to draft a QB and not push him blindly into traffic?  Another 0-16 year and draft picks.  My god.

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              Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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              @skippinturtles said:

              Stafford would be a better prospect than any QB coming out this year.  And he's won nada.  What can the Browns do to draft a QB and not push him blindly into traffic?  Another 0-16 year and draft picks.  My god.

              Well tiamat already made a suggestion that you apparently ignored, so...

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                nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                Stafford.. Nice QB... But.. like Alex Smith.. I just don't see SB QB

                Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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                  Stafford.. Nice QB... But.. like Alex Smith.. I just don't see SB QB

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                  Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                  @nickers said:

                  Stafford.. Nice QB... But.. like Alex Smith.. I just don't see SB QB

                  I asked this question earlier, for some reason it got deleted, but consider this:

                  How would Stafford's career gone down if he had played for Pittsburgh his whole career, and the same for Roethlisberger if he had played for Detroit?

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                    @nickers said:

                    Stafford.. Nice QB... But.. like Alex Smith.. I just don't see SB QB

                    I asked this question earlier, for some reason it got deleted, but consider this:

                    How would Stafford's career gone down if he had played for Pittsburgh his whole career, and the same for Roethlisberger if he had played for Detroit?

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                    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                    @dutch-oven said:

                    I asked this question earlier, for some reason it got deleted, but consider this:

                    How would Stafford's career gone down if he had played for Pittsburgh his whole career, and the same for Roethlisberger if he had played for Detroit?

                    Questions like these have been asked for decades and decades....going back to "What if the Steelers had Archie Manning...and the Saints had Terry Bradshaw"?

                    There is no answer...so it is useless trying.

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                      @dutch-oven said:

                      I asked this question earlier, for some reason it got deleted, but consider this:

                      How would Stafford's career gone down if he had played for Pittsburgh his whole career, and the same for Roethlisberger if he had played for Detroit?

                      Questions like these have been asked for decades and decades....going back to "What if the Steelers had Archie Manning...and the Saints had Terry Bradshaw"?

                      There is no answer...so it is useless trying.

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                      @the-gipper said:

                      Questions like these have been asked for decades and decades....going back to "What if the Steelers had Archie Manning...and the Saints had Terry Bradshaw"?

                      There is no answer...so it is useless trying.

                      What if the Browns had a real QB? 😉

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                        @the-gipper said:

                        Questions like these have been asked for decades and decades....going back to "What if the Steelers had Archie Manning...and the Saints had Terry Bradshaw"?

                        There is no answer...so it is useless trying.

                        What if the Browns had a real QB? 😉

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                        @texasag1969 said:

                        What if the Browns had a real QB? 😉

                        Then, I would say that you have been taking mushrooms or LSD or something likely!

                        Honestly....when was the last time the Browns had a real, quality franchise QB.

                        Bernie likely?

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                          @texasag1969 said:

                          What if the Browns had a real QB? 😉

                          Then, I would say that you have been taking mushrooms or LSD or something likely!

                          Honestly....when was the last time the Browns had a real, quality franchise QB.

                          Bernie likely?

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                          @the-gipper said:

                          Then, I would say that you have been taking mushrooms or LSD or something likely!

                          Honestly....when was the last time the Browns had a real, quality franchise QB.

                          Bernie likely?

                          But that's what makes it a good theoretical question with emphasis on "theoretical" rather than "theatrical".😁

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Then, I would say that you have been taking mushrooms or LSD or something likely!

                            Honestly....when was the last time the Browns had a real, quality franchise QB.

                            Bernie likely?

                            But that's what makes it a good theoretical question with emphasis on "theoretical" rather than "theatrical".😁

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                            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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                            @texasag1969 said:

                            But that's what makes it a good theoretical question with emphasis on "theoretical" rather than "theatrical".😁

                            On the other hand....I think what the Browns have going for them is something akin to "String Theory"......we have had a whole String of Bad QBs, Bad HCs, bad draft choices.....all leading to the conclusion that there is a black hole out there affecting us.

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                              @texasag1969 said:

                              But that's what makes it a good theoretical question with emphasis on "theoretical" rather than "theatrical".😁

                              On the other hand....I think what the Browns have going for them is something akin to "String Theory"......we have had a whole String of Bad QBs, Bad HCs, bad draft choices.....all leading to the conclusion that there is a black hole out there affecting us.

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                              @the-gipper said:

                              On the other hand....I think what the Browns have going for them is something akin to "String Theory"......we have had a whole String of Bad QBs, Bad HCs, bad draft choices.....all leading to the conclusion that there is a black hole out there affecting us.

                              I blame on the Big Bang of '97.😛

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                                @the-gipper said:

                                On the other hand....I think what the Browns have going for them is something akin to "String Theory"......we have had a whole String of Bad QBs, Bad HCs, bad draft choices.....all leading to the conclusion that there is a black hole out there affecting us.

                                I blame on the Big Bang of '97.😛

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                                gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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                                @texasag1969 said:

                                I blame on the Big Bang of '97.😛

                                Sorry Ag, but your A&M boys just “Got Moss’d“ by WR’s Hines & Washington of lonely Wake Forest..damn good game going on here..

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                                  @texasag1969 said:

                                  I blame on the Big Bang of '97.😛

                                  Sorry Ag, but your A&M boys just “Got Moss’d“ by WR’s Hines & Washington of lonely Wake Forest..damn good game going on here..

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                                  @gumby73 said:

                                  Sorry ag but your A&M boys just “Got Moss’d“ by Hines & Washington of lonely Wake Forest..damn good game going on here..

                                  I'm just recording it, not watching it. I've learned to delete games we lose that are meaningless when they have no real coaching staff running the game. Lame ducks and missing HC's.

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                                    @gumby73 said:

                                    Sorry ag but your A&M boys just “Got Moss’d“ by Hines & Washington of lonely Wake Forest..damn good game going on here..

                                    I'm just recording it, not watching it. I've learned to delete games we lose that are meaningless when they have no real coaching staff running the game. Lame ducks and missing HC's.

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                                    @texasag1969 said:

                                    I'm just recording it, not watching it. I've learned to delete games we lose that are meaningless when they have no real coaching staff running the game. Lame ducks and missing HC's.

                                    So, you haven't watched any Browns game? 😛 

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                                      @texasag1969 said:

                                      I'm just recording it, not watching it. I've learned to delete games we lose that are meaningless when they have no real coaching staff running the game. Lame ducks and missing HC's.

                                      So, you haven't watched any Browns game? 😛 

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                                      @nero said:

                                      So, you haven't watched any Browns game? 😛 

                                      Out of the country for 2, in Hawaii for 1, Out to movies for 2. So yeah, I've had to watch some recordings though my son did not record any when we were out of Texas. Apparently I did n't miss much those games either.

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                                        So, you haven't watched any Browns game? 😛 

                                        Out of the country for 2, in Hawaii for 1, Out to movies for 2. So yeah, I've had to watch some recordings though my son did not record any when we were out of Texas. Apparently I did n't miss much those games either.

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                                        @texasag1969 said:

                                        Out of the country for 2, in Hawaii for 1, Out to movies for 2. So yeah, I've had to watch some recordings though my son did not record any when we were out of Texas. Apparently I did n't miss much those games either.

                                        You didn't. In fact, some of those who watched those games envy you most likely. 

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                                          @texasag1969 said:

                                          Out of the country for 2, in Hawaii for 1, Out to movies for 2. So yeah, I've had to watch some recordings though my son did not record any when we were out of Texas. Apparently I did n't miss much those games either.

                                          You didn't. In fact, some of those who watched those games envy you most likely. 

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                                          Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                                          @nero said:

                                          You didn't. In fact, some of those who watched those games envy you most likely. 

                                          There's not enough bleach in the world to rub in our collective eyes... 😆

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