The Browns are on the clock!
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What I'm implying, because I think it's reasonable, is that if there are only Colts and Texans (what does DAT stand for?) Tied at 4-12, Colts would be 3rd in AFC South and Texans 4th, so to me, the reasonable thing is that Texans pick ahead the Colts, as they ended up the league in a worse position.
That is "reasonable" but that is not the way the system is set up. SOS is the only difference maker...unless that is a tie...then they go to somewhere else. If the DumbAssTexans (it is a long held nickname around here for them because most Texans are dumbasses
) have the lower SOS they will get the higher pick....regardless of division or head to head record
I understand SOS being used as the first tiebreaker in teams from different divisions or even conferences, but using it when both tied teams are in the same division... How many different teams do they play during the year? 2?
See above....it is irrelevent to draft positioning.
So, for them to be the only two teams in 4-12, the Buccaneers have to win.
Which they won't....the Saints aren't going to lose to them.
That means we will have #4, #5 or #6 pick.
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When the Browns made the trade I was just hoping the Texans would be somewhere around .500 and miss the playoffs, giving us a #15-20 range first rounder.
This turn of events could help the Browns turn their fortune around, if they can take advantage of their good luck.
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When the Browns made the trade I was just hoping the Texans would be somewhere around .500 and miss the playoffs, giving us a #15-20 range first rounder.
This turn of events could help the Browns turn their fortune around, if they can take advantage of their good luck.
When the Browns made the trade I was just hoping the Texans would be somewhere around .500 and miss the playoffs, giving us a #15-20 range first rounder.
This turn of events could help the Browns turn their fortune around, if they can take advantage of their good luck.
just heard hue will keep his promise and jump into the lake maybe this good fortune you speak of starts there
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I'm in the Mayfield/Barkley 2018 Campaign right now. We need playmakers, guys to put points on the board, guys who can get into the endzone. Our Defense is really good and may surprise quite a few if the offense could actually challenge somebody... or score more than three points a game.
Kizer isn't the guy, he's got no "it" other than his arm strength but to be honest- What good is a biomechanical arm if it's wired to a potato?
I'll take a far less superior arm if it's actually attached to a football player. Whereas in Kizer's case he's just "acting" like a football player.
Hogan and Mayfield with Barkley in the backfield. Gordon back 100% will be huge as will Coleman even further removed from his injury.
Stock up on some blue-chip borderline first round talent at CB/S and LB. Getting Collins back healthy, and everybody really, it is going to be great.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Ok, so Colts win and we pick 4th? Let the daydreaming begin. Oh, and apparently John Dorsey doesn't want anything to do with Josh Rosen, nor does Rosen want to play for us. Awesome. So who the heck do we pick #1? Darnold didn't want to come here either, did he? And that's if he even comes out, LOL.
Darnold said that he never said anything about not wanting to come to the Browns, for what it's worth.
Here's the reality boys - if you polled every draft eligible player on what team he DIDN'T want to go to, I feel safe to say that the Browns would easily win. I hate to say it - but can you blame them? Dorsey's job is to draft well and get the roster improved so the players who didn't want to be here look around and say, "You know what... I didn't want to come here, but there's talent here. We can win here."
Because there are very few locations in this nation that is a better place to play football as Cleveland when you win. There's a reason so many of the 80s guys still live here - and it isn't the weather. The 80s players - who won ZERO titles - are still treated like gods here.
Darnold said that he never said anything about not wanting to come to the Browns, for what it's worth.
Here's the reality boys - if you polled every draft eligible player on what team he DIDN'T want to go to, I feel safe to say that the Browns would easily win. I hate to say it - but can you blame them? Dorsey's job is to draft well and get the roster improved so the players who didn't want to be here look around and say, "You know what... I didn't want to come here, but there's talent here. We can win here."
Because there are very few locations in this nation that is a better place to play football as Cleveland when you win. There's a reason so many of the 80s guys still live here - and it isn't the weather. The 80s players - who won ZERO titles - are still treated like gods here.
You're absolutely right. Darnold just said that IF he comes out, he'd be honored to play anywhere. VERY smart man. I don't love Darnold's skill set as much as Rosen's, but I keep reading about how Darnold has the moxie and heart that coaches want as their leader. THAT makes me excited about possibly drafting him because it's going to take a special young man to really make it work in Cleveland...as we all know. And who knows? It may very well be Deshone Kizer. There have been so many awful rookie seasons from qb's that didn't define their careers. Personally I wouldn't bet on it, but we know Deshone is a worker. He may be in the same offensive system, which is huge. He might actually have receiver weapons (Cmon Josh, we're rooting for you), and anything is possible.
Darnold doesn't throw as clean as Rosen, and his arm isn't as powerful. Additionally, Darnold's delivery is a little long and needs to be cleaned up, but he has the power and lower body strength to get it done, and it wouldn't surprise me if he looks better during the combine and his pro day after working with whatever qb guru he chooses. Of course, he very well may choose to return to college, and while I personally think that's a mistake, it's up to him. College will always be there when you're rich...and the #1 pick is rich.
The qb that helps the beleaguered Browns turn the corner is going to be a special person. It's going to be a guy who wants the biggest possible challenge and doesn't shy away from it. It's going to be a player with a ton of confidence and heart, as well as someone who has the mental fortitude needed to fight through the inevitable problems and issues that come with playing for us. It's going to be a guy who understands that if he can do it, if he can actually be THE MAN....he will live on in eternity as a hero and literally be a football deity.
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If Dorsey is dead set against Rosen then Darnold would be my second choice. But only if he has an experienced QB to learn behind like Rodgers had in GB. The one thing he has that Rosen does not is the ability to run similar to Rodgers. Now if he can learn to continue with progressions when forced to run, then he's getting into that same league. Got to cure those happy feet though. If we get Smith to teach him I will be elated about our prospects for 2018. Here are dates of significance next year including UFA and RFA.
https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2018-important-nfl-dates/
Here is Smith's current contract-not sure how it works if we want to trade for him or when we can start that process. Anyone got an answer?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/alex-smith-3337/
EDIT: I'm looking forward to see how Darnold does against OSU tomorrow night. Major audition!
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If Dorsey is dead set against Rosen then Darnold would be my second choice. But only if he has an experienced QB to learn behind like Rodgers had in GB. The one thing he has that Rosen does not is the ability to run similar to Rodgers. Now if he can learn to continue with progressions when forced to run, then he's getting into that same league. Got to cure those happy feet though. If we get Smith to teach him I will be elated about our prospects for 2018. Here are dates of significance next year including UFA and RFA.
https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2018-important-nfl-dates/
Here is Smith's current contract-not sure how it works if we want to trade for him or when we can start that process. Anyone got an answer?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/alex-smith-3337/
EDIT: I'm looking forward to see how Darnold does against OSU tomorrow night. Major audition!
If Dorsey is dead set against Rosen then Darnold would be my second choice. But only if he has an experienced QB to learn behind like Rodgers had in GB. The one thing he has that Rosen does not is the ability to run similar to Rodgers. Now if he can learn to continue with progressions when forced to run, then he's getting into that same league. Got to cure those happy feet though. If we get Smith to teach him I will be elated about our prospects for 2018. Here are dates of significance next year including UFA and RFA.
https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2018-important-nfl-dates/
Here is Smith's current contract-not sure how it works if we want to trade for him or when we can start that process. Anyone got an answer?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/alex-smith-3337/
EDIT: I'm looking forward to see how Darnold does against OSU tomorrow night. Major audition!
That's a very good point, as OSU normally has multiple NFL caliber defenders on their team, and this year is likely to be no different. Furthermore, OSU has some corners that are likely to be first or second rounders, so it'll be fun to see how Darnold does against them (and whether or not the receivers can help him out and get open). It's truly a big game for the kid. It almost feels like if he tanks it, he'll come back to school, but if he does great, he's certainly coming out. I have no factual basis for that statement (surprising, right? lol), but it's just an observation. I don't think ONE game really can say all THAT much, but we'll see!
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If Dorsey is dead set against Rosen then Darnold would be my second choice. But only if he has an experienced QB to learn behind like Rodgers had in GB. The one thing he has that Rosen does not is the ability to run similar to Rodgers. Now if he can learn to continue with progressions when forced to run, then he's getting into that same league. Got to cure those happy feet though. If we get Smith to teach him I will be elated about our prospects for 2018. Here are dates of significance next year including UFA and RFA.
https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/league-governance/2018-important-nfl-dates/
Here is Smith's current contract-not sure how it works if we want to trade for him or when we can start that process. Anyone got an answer?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/alex-smith-3337/
EDIT: I'm looking forward to see how Darnold does against OSU tomorrow night. Major audition!
That's a very good point, as OSU normally has multiple NFL caliber defenders on their team, and this year is likely to be no different. Furthermore, OSU has some corners that are likely to be first or second rounders, so it'll be fun to see how Darnold does against them (and whether or not the receivers can help him out and get open). It's truly a big game for the kid. It almost feels like if he tanks it, he'll come back to school, but if he does great, he's certainly coming out. I have no factual basis for that statement (surprising, right? lol), but it's just an observation. I don't think ONE game really can say all THAT much, but we'll see!
That's a very good point, as OSU normally has multiple NFL caliber defenders on their team, and this year is likely to be no different. Furthermore, OSU has some corners that are likely to be first or second rounders, so it'll be fun to see how Darnold does against them (and whether or not the receivers can help him out and get open). It's truly a big game for the kid. It almost feels like if he tanks it, he'll come back to school, but if he does great, he's certainly coming out. I have no factual basis for that statement (surprising, right? lol), but it's just an observation. I don't think ONE game really can say all THAT much, but we'll see!
No, I don't think you are off with that opinion at all. I totally can see how this bowl game could be the difference between Darnold returning to USC or entering the Draft.
I think he should return. IMO, he regressed this season, and became sloppy. Sloppy in his mechanics, sloppy in turning the ball over. I know he's probably a guaranteed top 5 pick, but for his longterm success as a NFL pro, I think going back to USC for a third season is the way to go. If he comes out, and if the Browns drafted him, HE NEEDS TO SIT.
Rosen, on the other hand, really gains nothing by going back to UCLA. Head-to-head, Rosen seemed heads above Darnold at this point. Rosen going back to play for Chip Kelly gains him NOTHING in that high school nonsensical offense he runs. I see nothing gained by Rosen returning to school.
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I'm in the Mayfield/Barkley 2018 Campaign right now. We need playmakers, guys to put points on the board, guys who can get into the endzone. Our Defense is really good and may surprise quite a few if the offense could actually challenge somebody... or score more than three points a game.
Kizer isn't the guy, he's got no "it" other than his arm strength but to be honest- What good is a biomechanical arm if it's wired to a potato?
I'll take a far less superior arm if it's actually attached to a football player. Whereas in Kizer's case he's just "acting" like a football player.
Hogan and Mayfield with Barkley in the backfield. Gordon back 100% will be huge as will Coleman even further removed from his injury.
Stock up on some blue-chip borderline first round talent at CB/S and LB. Getting Collins back healthy, and everybody really, it is going to be great.
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Feels too much like Richardson/ Weeden, or Gilbert / Manzel... no thanks
Speaking of which-JFF's been cleared by the CFL to sign with the Hamilton Tiger-Cats. They have 10 days to sign him and my bet is that the coach, June Jone, wants him on the team from everything I've read. His style of play works better on the larger field.
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Houston is sitting their great WR Sunday, DeAndre Hopkins. That gives us a chance for another Houston loss.
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If the Colts win they have the lower SOS so they pick before Houston and Houston before Tampa Bay even if they lose again.
EDIT: It will be interesting to see how many teams play their 2nd/3rd teamers to "tank" into a better pick this week. Too much calculus for this old guy to figure out.
Ok, so Colts win and we pick 4th? Let the daydreaming begin. Oh, and apparently John Dorsey doesn't want anything to do with Josh Rosen, nor does Rosen want to play for us. Awesome. So who the heck do we pick #1? Darnold didn't want to come here either, did he? And that's if he even comes out, LOL.
Ok, so Colts win and we pick 4th? Let the daydreaming begin. Oh, and apparently John Dorsey doesn't want anything to do with Josh Rosen, nor does Rosen want to play for us. Awesome. So who the heck do we pick #1? Darnold didn't want to come here either, did he? And that's if he even comes out, LOL.
As was reported earlier in the thread, Darnold got peppered with questions about (assuming he declares) what his team preference would be. answer was none- It's an honor to play in the NFL.
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I wouldn't be opposed to taking Darnold and Mayfield and playing the best one. As long as it solves the QB position once and for all... and we never have to trot out the 'potato-head' again.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
About all the chatter with the Draft order... Current pick is #4
If Houston wins, we go ONE SPOT DOWN in each of this cases (2 spots if both cases happen):
- If Denver doesn't win vs Kansas City
- Tampa Bay doesn't win vs Saints
If Houston losses, we go one spot up if:
- Tampa Bay wins vs Saints. If Tampa wins, then there would be only Colts and Texans with 4-12, so then it would be head to head and Colts would have won both games.
If there is a triple tie between those teams, the order is #3 Colts #4 Texans #5 Buccaneers because the tiebreaker is the strength of schedule. It would be ironic because if Colts win they would end up 3rd in AFCS and still pick higher than Texans, which doesn't make any sense to me.
NOTES:
1. Kansas City has already a playoff berth, and are locked in the 4th seed (Chargers can't overtake them as they lost both head to head matches and can't overtake the Jaguars, I believe because they have a worse record with common rivals)
2. The Saints (4th seed) lost to the Rams, so they can't get 3rd seed. If they lose, BUT Falcons win vs Panthers, they keep the Division title. Falcons not only play at home, but also winning they assure a playoff spot independently of what Seahawks do.
I used Tankathon and Playoff predictor, I hope all of the above is correct.
About all the chatter with the Draft order... Current pick is #4
If Houston wins, we go ONE SPOT DOWN in each of this cases (2 spots if both cases happen):
- If Denver doesn't win vs Kansas City
- Tampa Bay doesn't win vs Saints
If Houston losses, we go one spot up if:
- Tampa Bay wins vs Saints. If Tampa wins, then there would be only Colts and Texans with 4-12, so then it would be head to head and Colts would have won both games.
If there is a triple tie between those teams, the order is #3 Colts #4 Texans #5 Buccaneers because the tiebreaker is the strength of schedule. It would be ironic because if Colts win they would end up 3rd in AFCS and still pick higher than Texans, which doesn't make any sense to me.
NOTES:
1. Kansas City has already a playoff berth, and are locked in the 4th seed (Chargers can't overtake them as they lost both head to head matches and can't overtake the Jaguars, I believe because they have a worse record with common rivals)
2. The Saints (4th seed) lost to the Rams, so they can't get 3rd seed. If they lose, BUT Falcons win vs Panthers, they keep the Division title. Falcons not only play at home, but also winning they assure a playoff spot independently of what Seahawks do.
I used Tankathon and Playoff predictor, I hope all of the above is correct.
I've said it before Nero, and Gipper correctly responded sweeping head to head doesn't factor into draft position, it's only a factor in playoff consideration.
Straight from the NFL Rulebook:
1) In situations where teams finished the previous season with identical records, the determination of draft position is decided by strength of schedule — the aggregate winning percentage of a team’s opponents. The team that played the schedule with the lowest winning percentage will be awarded the higher pick.
2) If the teams have the same strength of schedule, their records against common opponents in their division or conference are applied, if applicable.
3) If the divisional or conference tiebreakers are not applicable, ties will be broken by a coin flip.
Simplistically, we want the Texans to lose, and the Bucs to (unlikely) win. If there's a 3 way tie @ 4-12 , it goes to SOS.
If the Texans win, I'm not even going to hazard a guess where that pick would end up, as there's potentially 5 other teams that could finish 5-11.
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