Camp Allen/RUDOLPH
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If Rudolph dropped...I may like to see him be that guy. I mean....what are they going to do...keep either Kessler or Hogan?
My hope is with Hue or not,Dorsey won’t dik’around with 1st pick.Take your QB with the guts & arm talent to change a losing culture. Don’t risk teams trading up from Houston pick. The winner of Hogan & Kessler may only be the one willing to play at PS rates. Both need a development league but not on Browns dime anymore..pending FA QB moves, Dorsey may determine 1or 2 out of this QB class
My hope is with Hue or not,Dorsey won’t dik’around with 1st pick.Take your QB with the guts & arm talent to change a losing culture. Don’t risk teams trading up from Houston pick. The winner of Hogan & Kessler may only be the one willing to play at PS rates. Both need a development league but not on Browns dime anymore..pending FA QB moves, Dorsey may determine 1or 2 out of this QB class
Who is that QB that you take #1 that IS going to change the losing culture? Who IS going to have the guts and arm talent? I am NOT seeing him.
But, you are right.....we ALL have no choice but to let Dorsey figure it out.
And...you never know...Rudolph may still be in the mix.
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Just to be clear...you are saying that Mason Rudolph is Tom Brady and Josh Allen is John Elway.
Just to be clear...you are saying that Mason Rudolph is Tom Brady and Josh Allen is John Elway.
just to be clear, you don't get it. NO
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The numbers jump out, especially during his freshman season, but, as one NFL scout noted, he had several costly throws in UCLA's loss to Texas A&M to open last season and has struggled with his accuracy in other games.
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Too many screaming Josh Rosie groupies - you'd think rosen was elvis presley and a few of them drool over his Alfred E. Newman looks.
I wouldn't draft that idiot in any round. He's a jerkface punk.
Ryan Leaf. Jeff George. Too bad for him.
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You’re an emotional child who’s very easily fooled and doesn’t possess the capability of rational thought.
I can see now why you voted for Trump
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there you go again - getting irate and redass over being disagreed with.
too bad. go read up on ryan leaf and geff george, and tell us how they were
great NFL qb's because they could make all the throws in college.
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there you go again - getting irate and redass over being disagreed with.
too bad. go read up on ryan leaf and geff george, and tell us how they were
great NFL qb's because they could make all the throws in college.
there you go again - getting irate and redass over being disagreed with.
too bad. go read up on ryan leaf and geff george, and tell us how they were
great NFL qb's because they could make all the throws in college.
And you go read up on Blaine Gabbert, DeShone Kizer, Jake Locker, EJ Manuel, Josh Freeman, JaMarcus Russell and Vince Young and tell us how they were great NFL quarterbacks because they were tall athletic QB’s who had high ceilings and gave you a boner when they threw.
It’s fine to be stupid, but don’t pretend that you’re not.
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so, you think John Elway sucked because he was athletic. No wonder, you screw dolphins... I suppose, only the male ones.
and look who is stupid? I talk about seeing the field all the freaking time, and character. The qb's you listed couldn't see the field.
So that makes Allen and Rudolph bad qb's, so you think. Well, we'll see how the draft goes, etc. I didn't think weeden saw the field in college, nor kizer. Never once was a fan of any of the qb's you listed. I just got through saying that Ryan Leaf and Jeff George were
awesome, big talented throwers in college. You loved them, if you want to give josh rosie great big smoochies....maybe you think he's a dolphin.... There are scouts, GM's etc etc etc saying the same thing I"m saying. Give up the outrage butthurt.
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so, you think John Elway sucked because he was athletic. No wonder, you screw dolphins... I suppose, only the male ones.
and look who is stupid? I talk about seeing the field all the freaking time, and character. The qb's you listed couldn't see the field.
So that makes Allen and Rudolph bad qb's, so you think. Well, we'll see how the draft goes, etc. I didn't think weeden saw the field in college, nor kizer. Never once was a fan of any of the qb's you listed. I just got through saying that Ryan Leaf and Jeff George were
awesome, big talented throwers in college. You loved them, if you want to give josh rosie great big smoochies....maybe you think he's a dolphin.... There are scouts, GM's etc etc etc saying the same thing I"m saying. Give up the outrage butthurt.
so, you think John Elway sucked because he was athletic. No wonder, you screw dolphins... I suppose, only the male ones.
and look who is stupid? I talk about seeing the field all the freaking time, and character. The qb's you listed couldn't see the field.
So that makes Allen and Rudolph bad qb's, so you think. Well, we'll see how the draft goes, etc. I didn't think weeden saw the field in college, nor kizer. Never once was a fan of any of the qb's you listed. I just got through saying that Ryan Leaf and Jeff George were
awesome, big talented throwers in college. You loved them, if you want to give josh rosie great big smoochies....maybe you think he's a dolphin.... There are scouts, GM's etc etc etc saying the same thing I"m saying. Give up the outrage butthurt.
What? When did I say Elway sucked? You listed two busts as some sort of counterpoint to Rosen, despite the fact they are much more related to your “boys” than mine. So, in return, I listed other tall, big armed QB’s, QB’s who put up video game numbers or QB’s who had high ceilings due to athleticism...all of which failed in the NFL.
Allen’s biggest knock is his inaccuracy and decision-making, an issue most closely related to not seeing the field. He’s a tall, athletic, unanticipatory thrower who made his nut running out of the pocket on designed rollouts and heaving up a 50/50 ball. If you watched any of his games and came away with the conclusion he “saw the field”, you’re the worst judge of QB talent I’ve ever seen. He’s a project who needs two years at a minimum.
Rudolph is a tall, mediocre-armed distributor in a very favorable offense, playing against plenty of very bad defenses. He’s a victim of the Air Raid offense and doesn’t have the arm talent nor intangibles to even be considered in the first two rounds of the draft. He’s the anti-Allen, so pairing them together in your camp makes really no sense at all.
The fact that anyone takes you seriously here is beyond me, you talk out of your butt more than Ace Ventura.
Jesus Christ, if you’re going to try and argue, at least be coherent.
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Well, I'm scared of Notre Dame Qbs- and we got Kizer. Mayfield is nothing like We-done. I'd suggest watching the Rose Bowl New Year's Day.
Amen there London. Cal's got this (wrong) idea that somehow Allen is accurate- he's not- by a long shot. Sure he's got a big arm, in a puff piece before the Potato Bowl they showed him throwing a pass 80 yards in the air. If a big arm was all it took, we'd already be comparing Deshone Kizer to Ben Roethlisberger....
The fans just might riot if we don't take a qb @ #1 overall Gip- not that we could do anything about it. The only way that's not happening is if someone wants to sell the ranch to move up to that spot. Depending on who's doing the selling- we can easily move back up from #4 to #2 to get the qb- assuming we have a couple guys we rate as equal. The Monkey Wrench in that scenario is the Giants, who will almost certainly want to draft the heir apparent to Manning. Flipping picks with the G-Men? Maybe. Taking the third best qb? No way in hell is that happening again. We took 4th best Kizer- and wound up with egg on our faces.
BTW, I'm all for doubling down on QBs like the Redskins did with RG III and Cousins- LOL, but not @ #1, & #4, as has been suggested. Some have us taking best qb at #1, and this guy: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018MFitzpatrick.php @ #4. Sounds like a younger Joe Haden. I'll have a better opinion after the Alabama- Clemson Bowl game- I'll be on the lookout.
The "Monkey Wrench" is the fact that none of these QBs seem to be at all #1 overall worthy. They really don't. No telling if the #3 QB taken may be the best QB out there. It would not surprise me...at all, if that were the case.
While I also hate the whole "moving down thing"....I very well may not be opposed to trading #1 overall to the Giants, or the Jets or the Broncos...in exchange for their #1 plus their second round pick. There really ain't no consensus that the guy taken #1 is any better at all than the guy ranked #6 or 7.
Fair to say? Give me that extra pick in the second round...give us 4 second rounders....and with one of them I WILL take a second QB.
The "Monkey Wrench" is the fact that none of these QBs seem to be at all #1 overall worthy. They really don't. No telling if the #3 QB taken may be the best QB out there. It would not surprise me...at all, if that were the case.
While I also hate the whole "moving down thing"....I very well may not be opposed to trading #1 overall to the Giants, or the Jets or the Broncos...in exchange for their #1 plus their second round pick. There really ain't no consensus that the guy taken #1 is any better at all than the guy ranked #6 or 7.
Fair to say? Give me that extra pick in the second round...give us 4 second rounders....and with one of them I WILL take a second QB.
Um no Gip- you're not watching enough, and Kizer has clouded your judgement. There's at least 4, and possibly more qbs (OK, some may not declare) that have shown me as much or more already as Trubisky. And you AND me loved us some Mitch. I want the pick of the litter, not more of this trade down BS. Trade the #4 if you must- but not the #1.
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One read and check down.
Brady Quinn 2.0
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so, you think John Elway sucked because he was athletic. No wonder, you screw dolphins... I suppose, only the male ones.
and look who is stupid? I talk about seeing the field all the freaking time, and character. The qb's you listed couldn't see the field.
So that makes Allen and Rudolph bad qb's, so you think. Well, we'll see how the draft goes, etc. I didn't think weeden saw the field in college, nor kizer. Never once was a fan of any of the qb's you listed. I just got through saying that Ryan Leaf and Jeff George were
awesome, big talented throwers in college. You loved them, if you want to give josh rosie great big smoochies....maybe you think he's a dolphin.... There are scouts, GM's etc etc etc saying the same thing I"m saying. Give up the outrage butthurt.
What? When did I say Elway sucked? You listed two busts as some sort of counterpoint to Rosen, despite the fact they are much more related to your “boys” than mine. So, in return, I listed other tall, big armed QB’s, QB’s who put up video game numbers or QB’s who had high ceilings due to athleticism...all of which failed in the NFL.
Allen’s biggest knock is his inaccuracy and decision-making, an issue most closely related to not seeing the field. He’s a tall, athletic, unanticipatory thrower who made his nut running out of the pocket on designed rollouts and heaving up a 50/50 ball. If you watched any of his games and came away with the conclusion he “saw the field”, you’re the worst judge of QB talent I’ve ever seen. He’s a project who needs two years at a minimum.
Rudolph is a tall, mediocre-armed distributor in a very favorable offense, playing against plenty of very bad defenses. He’s a victim of the Air Raid offense and doesn’t have the arm talent nor intangibles to even be considered in the first two rounds of the draft. He’s the anti-Allen, so pairing them together in your camp makes really no sense at all.
The fact that anyone takes you seriously here is beyond me, you talk out of your butt more than Ace Ventura.
Jesus Christ, if you’re going to try and argue, at least be coherent.
What? When did I say Elway sucked? You listed two busts as some sort of counterpoint to Rosen, despite the fact they are much more related to your “boys” than mine. So, in return, I listed other tall, big armed QB’s, QB’s who put up video game numbers or QB’s who had high ceilings due to athleticism...all of which failed in the NFL.
Allen’s biggest knock is his inaccuracy and decision-making, an issue most closely related to not seeing the field. He’s a tall, athletic, unanticipatory thrower who made his nut running out of the pocket on designed rollouts and heaving up a 50/50 ball. If you watched any of his games and came away with the conclusion he “saw the field”, you’re the worst judge of QB talent I’ve ever seen. He’s a project who needs two years at a minimum.
Rudolph is a tall, mediocre-armed distributor in a very favorable offense, playing against plenty of very bad defenses. He’s a victim of the Air Raid offense and doesn’t have the arm talent nor intangibles to even be considered in the first two rounds of the draft. He’s the anti-Allen, so pairing them together in your camp makes really no sense at all.
The fact that anyone takes you seriously here is beyond me, you talk out of your butt more than Ace Ventura.
Jesus Christ, if you’re going to try and argue, at least be coherent.
you twist things like a liberal, and you quack like a liberal duck. Your boy rosen is also said to be inaccurate at times under pressure,
and he's an asswhole with few intangibles to brag about. And your boy Darnold - was making Kizer look good in the cotton bowl tonight. Talented arm, but holding the ball out in traffic, fumble, AGAIN, throwing into tight impossible converage, choking under pressure, bad/inaccurate throws.... etc etc etc. I like Darnold, but he and rosen both should stay in school.
The point about leaf and george is, rosen is similar. I even posted the story about leaf in his own freaking words. and rosen appears very similar in ways.
You don't like it, tough. Just seems true, and I'm not the only one talking about rosen that way.
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What? When did I say Elway sucked? You listed two busts as some sort of counterpoint to Rosen, despite the fact they are much more related to your “boys” than mine. So, in return, I listed other tall, big armed QB’s, QB’s who put up video game numbers or QB’s who had high ceilings due to athleticism...all of which failed in the NFL.
Allen’s biggest knock is his inaccuracy and decision-making, an issue most closely related to not seeing the field. He’s a tall, athletic, unanticipatory thrower who made his nut running out of the pocket on designed rollouts and heaving up a 50/50 ball. If you watched any of his games and came away with the conclusion he “saw the field”, you’re the worst judge of QB talent I’ve ever seen. He’s a project who needs two years at a minimum.
Rudolph is a tall, mediocre-armed distributor in a very favorable offense, playing against plenty of very bad defenses. He’s a victim of the Air Raid offense and doesn’t have the arm talent nor intangibles to even be considered in the first two rounds of the draft. He’s the anti-Allen, so pairing them together in your camp makes really no sense at all.
The fact that anyone takes you seriously here is beyond me, you talk out of your butt more than Ace Ventura.
Jesus Christ, if you’re going to try and argue, at least be coherent.
you twist things like a liberal, and you quack like a liberal duck. Your boy rosen is also said to be inaccurate at times under pressure,
and he's an asswhole with few intangibles to brag about. And your boy Darnold - was making Kizer look good in the cotton bowl tonight. Talented arm, but holding the ball out in traffic, fumble, AGAIN, throwing into tight impossible converage, choking under pressure, bad/inaccurate throws.... etc etc etc. I like Darnold, but he and rosen both should stay in school.
The point about leaf and george is, rosen is similar. I even posted the story about leaf in his own freaking words. and rosen appears very similar in ways.
You don't like it, tough. Just seems true, and I'm not the only one talking about rosen that way.
you twist things like a liberal, and you quack like a liberal duck. Your boy rosen is also said to be inaccurate at times under pressure,
and he's an asswhole with few intangibles to brag about. And your boy Darnold - was making Kizer look good in the cotton bowl tonight. Talented arm, but holding the ball out in traffic, fumble, AGAIN, throwing into tight impossible converage, choking under pressure, bad/inaccurate throws.... etc etc etc. I like Darnold, but he and rosen both should stay in school.
The point about leaf and george is, rosen is similar. I even posted the story about leaf in his own freaking words. and rosen appears very similar in ways.
You don't like it, tough. Just seems true, and I'm not the only one talking about rosen that way.
But you are. You’re stomping around here throwing a fit and trying to push a narrative that nobody likes him when it’s really not true.
Do the board (and the world) a favor and just Shmuck off already.
For what it’s worth, I’m not even completely sold on Rosen either. I just think you’re stupid as Shmuck.
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What? When did I say Elway sucked? You listed two busts as some sort of counterpoint to Rosen, despite the fact they are much more related to your “boys” than mine. So, in return, I listed other tall, big armed QB’s, QB’s who put up video game numbers or QB’s who had high ceilings due to athleticism...all of which failed in the NFL.
Allen’s biggest knock is his inaccuracy and decision-making, an issue most closely related to not seeing the field. He’s a tall, athletic, unanticipatory thrower who made his nut running out of the pocket on designed rollouts and heaving up a 50/50 ball. If you watched any of his games and came away with the conclusion he “saw the field”, you’re the worst judge of QB talent I’ve ever seen. He’s a project who needs two years at a minimum.
Rudolph is a tall, mediocre-armed distributor in a very favorable offense, playing against plenty of very bad defenses. He’s a victim of the Air Raid offense and doesn’t have the arm talent nor intangibles to even be considered in the first two rounds of the draft. He’s the anti-Allen, so pairing them together in your camp makes really no sense at all.
The fact that anyone takes you seriously here is beyond me, you talk out of your butt more than Ace Ventura.
Jesus Christ, if you’re going to try and argue, at least be coherent.
you twist things like a liberal, and you quack like a liberal duck. Your boy rosen is also said to be inaccurate at times under pressure,
and he's an asswhole with few intangibles to brag about. And your boy Darnold - was making Kizer look good in the cotton bowl tonight. Talented arm, but holding the ball out in traffic, fumble, AGAIN, throwing into tight impossible converage, choking under pressure, bad/inaccurate throws.... etc etc etc. I like Darnold, but he and rosen both should stay in school.
The point about leaf and george is, rosen is similar. I even posted the story about leaf in his own freaking words. and rosen appears very similar in ways.
You don't like it, tough. Just seems true, and I'm not the only one talking about rosen that way.
you twist things like a liberal, and you quack like a liberal duck. Your boy rosen is also said to be inaccurate at times under pressure,
and he's an asswhole with few intangibles to brag about. And your boy Darnold - was making Kizer look good in the cotton bowl tonight. Talented arm, but holding the ball out in traffic, fumble, AGAIN, throwing into tight impossible coverage, choking under pressure, bad/inaccurate throws.... etc etc etc. I like Darnold, but he and rosen both should stay in school.
The point about leaf and george is, rosen is similar. I even posted the story about leaf in his own freaking words. and rosen appears very similar in ways.
You don't like it, tough. Just seems true, and I'm not the only one talking about rosen that way.
Sorry Cal regarding Allen- you're outnumbered three to one. and TC is dead on in his evaluation about the Wyoming Wonder. I already told you being a Cowboy fan, I was really hoping Josh could be another Wentz. I hate to bust your bubble, but he's not. He the white version of Deshone Kizer. Rag on Rosen all you want, but on field he's got at least 2X the talent of Allen.
Regarding Darnold- regarding the BOLD that's what NFL QBs are paid to do. I saw more great throws from Darnold in one game than I've seen out of Kizer all freaking year, ya goober. You're just looking for something to be negative about- when he was getting a tad rattled, and the game was clearly out of reach. OK ball security in the pocket- that can be taught. If you listened to Sports Center, Darnold was getting inordinate pressure on 46% of his dropbacks. A bunch of those sacks- I don't care which NFL QB you want to compare him to- he had no chance unabated to the quarterback. I'll grant you a dumb Pick 6 where the defender jumped the route. If we can get a Alex Smith- I have zero hesitation drafting Darnold #1 overall to sit behind a mentor for at least the first 8 games. He's making throws Kizer can only dream about.
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@boo-fagley said:
Allen reminds people of Elway with his arm.
Rudolph playing in the big 12 amounts to $hit. Nobody knows for a fact that he wont be the next legit NFL franchise QB.
Allen does not remind me of Elway at all and I went to several of his up close practices in Greeley when going to grad school there. People are only saying that because he played near Denver which is all they have in common. And he has certainly never had to play a defense as good as OSU's.
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@boo-fagley said:
Allen reminds people of Elway with his arm.
Rudolph playing in the big 12 amounts to $hit. Nobody knows for a fact that he wont be the next legit NFL franchise QB.
Allen does not remind me of Elway at all and I went to several of his up close practices in Greeley when going to grad school there. People are only saying that because he played near Denver which is all they have in common. And he has certainly never had to play a defense as good as OSU's.
Allen does not remind me of Elway at all and I went to several of his up close practices in Greeley when going to grad school there. People are only saying that because he played near Denver which is all they have in common. And he has certainly never had to play a defense as good as OSU's.
Well, Elway himself was on the sidelines, so there's that. The way the ball flies when he throws, his running and ability to make plays, his elusiveness...go back and watch Elway, and then watch Allen move and throw. Come on, now. They both can run like a gazelle, both can throw excellently on the run... both have bigtime arms, both extremely athletic....
but he doesn't remind you....lol.
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you twist things like a liberal, and you quack like a liberal duck. Your boy rosen is also said to be inaccurate at times under pressure,
and he's an asswhole with few intangibles to brag about. And your boy Darnold - was making Kizer look good in the cotton bowl tonight. Talented arm, but holding the ball out in traffic, fumble, AGAIN, throwing into tight impossible coverage, choking under pressure, bad/inaccurate throws.... etc etc etc. I like Darnold, but he and rosen both should stay in school.
The point about leaf and george is, rosen is similar. I even posted the story about leaf in his own freaking words. and rosen appears very similar in ways.
You don't like it, tough. Just seems true, and I'm not the only one talking about rosen that way.
Sorry Cal regarding Allen- you're outnumbered three to one. and TC is dead on in his evaluation about the Wyoming Wonder. I already told you being a Cowboy fan, I was really hoping Josh could be another Wentz. I hate to bust your bubble, but he's not. He the white version of Deshone Kizer. Rag on Rosen all you want, but on field he's got at least 2X the talent of Allen.
Regarding Darnold- regarding the BOLD that's what NFL QBs are paid to do. I saw more great throws from Darnold in one game than I've seen out of Kizer all freaking year, ya goober. You're just looking for something to be negative about- when he was getting a tad rattled, and the game was clearly out of reach. OK ball security in the pocket- that can be taught. If you listened to Sports Center, Darnold was getting inordinate pressure on 46% of his dropbacks. A bunch of those sacks- I don't care which NFL QB you want to compare him to- he had no chance unabated to the quarterback. I'll grant you a dumb Pick 6 where the defender jumped the route. If we can get a Alex Smith- I have zero hesitation drafting Darnold #1 overall to sit behind a mentor for at least the first 8 games. He's making throws Kizer can only dream about.
Sorry Cal regarding Allen- you're outnumbered three to one. and TC is dead on in his evaluation about the Wyoming Wonder. I already told you being a Cowboy fan, I was really hoping Josh could be another Wentz. I hate to bust your bubble, but he's not. He the white version of Deshone Kizer. Rag on Rosen all you want, but on field he's got at least 2X the talent of Allen.
Regarding Darnold- regarding the BOLD that's what NFL QBs are paid to do. I saw more great throws from Darnold in one game than I've seen out of Kizer all freaking year, ya goober. You're just looking for something to be negative about- when he was getting a tad rattled, and the game was clearly out of reach. OK ball security in the pocket- that can be taught. If you listened to Sports Center, Darnold was getting inordinate pressure on 46% of his dropbacks. A bunch of those sacks- I don't care which NFL QB you want to compare him to- he had no chance unabated to the quarterback. I'll grant you a dumb Pick 6 where the defender jumped the route. If we can get a Alex Smith- I have zero hesitation drafting Darnold #1 overall to sit behind a mentor for at least the first 8 games. He's making throws Kizer can only dream about.
you mean as far as being a pocket passer? sure. TC is completely wrong about Allen - Josh is similar to Wentz. They both have bigtime arms, both can throw on the run accurately like a lot of NFL qb's can't, they both are hugely competitive, both can make huge plays when they take off, both are extremely athletic. both are tall, both had the same head coach, both played in the same offense, both thrive in big games.
We'll just see. Rosen has a lot of talent - unfortunately, he has a ryan leaf/jeff george asswholeness. and that is what ruined their careers. You mean all those great throws Darnold had in the bowl game? seriously? I will say this - I like Darnold a lot - he isn't ready - he choked - chokes and doesn't protect the ball. It's pretty well known by most observers - it's a problem. How tough it is to start protecting the ball in heavy traffic? Darnold is a serious talent, sure -but he needs to stay in school and stop choking with pressure.
I think Darnold has serious ability to throw with anticipation, to really zing some great shorter throws. But some of his mistakes reminded me of Kizer. "oh, gosh, I'm outnumbered"...lol. I just call em likes I sees em, regardless.
and I'm not trying to be negative - it's what I see. Makes little sense to me to rationalize against Allen, and rationalize the opposite FOR rosen and Darnold. And Darnold was horribly inaccurate early on in the first half. He and his offense just got overrun, and he choked.
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Sorry Cal regarding Allen- you're outnumbered three to one. and TC is dead on in his evaluation about the Wyoming Wonder. I already told you being a Cowboy fan, I was really hoping Josh could be another Wentz. I hate to bust your bubble, but he's not. He the white version of Deshone Kizer. Rag on Rosen all you want, but on field he's got at least 2X the talent of Allen.
Regarding Darnold- regarding the BOLD that's what NFL QBs are paid to do. I saw more great throws from Darnold in one game than I've seen out of Kizer all freaking year, ya goober. You're just looking for something to be negative about- when he was getting a tad rattled, and the game was clearly out of reach. OK ball security in the pocket- that can be taught. If you listened to Sports Center, Darnold was getting inordinate pressure on 46% of his dropbacks. A bunch of those sacks- I don't care which NFL QB you want to compare him to- he had no chance unabated to the quarterback. I'll grant you a dumb Pick 6 where the defender jumped the route. If we can get a Alex Smith- I have zero hesitation drafting Darnold #1 overall to sit behind a mentor for at least the first 8 games. He's making throws Kizer can only dream about.
you mean as far as being a pocket passer? sure. TC is completely wrong about Allen - Josh is similar to Wentz. They both have bigtime arms, both can throw on the run accurately like a lot of NFL qb's can't, they both are hugely competitive, both can make huge plays when they take off, both are extremely athletic. both are tall, both had the same head coach, both played in the same offense, both thrive in big games.
We'll just see. Rosen has a lot of talent - unfortunately, he has a ryan leaf/jeff george asswholeness. and that is what ruined their careers. You mean all those great throws Darnold had in the bowl game? seriously? I will say this - I like Darnold a lot - he isn't ready - he choked - chokes and doesn't protect the ball. It's pretty well known by most observers - it's a problem. How tough it is to start protecting the ball in heavy traffic? Darnold is a serious talent, sure -but he needs to stay in school and stop choking with pressure.
I think Darnold has serious ability to throw with anticipation, to really zing some great shorter throws. But some of his mistakes reminded me of Kizer. "oh, gosh, I'm outnumbered"...lol. I just call em likes I sees em, regardless.
and I'm not trying to be negative - it's what I see. Makes little sense to me to rationalize against Allen, and rationalize the opposite FOR rosen and Darnold. And Darnold was horribly inaccurate early on in the first half. He and his offense just got overrun, and he choked.
you mean as far as being a pocket passer? sure. TC is completely wrong about Allen - Josh is similar to Wentz. They both have bigtime arms, both can throw on the run accurately like a lot of NFL qb's can't, they both are hugely competitive, both can make huge plays when they take off, both are extremely athletic. both are tall, both had the same head coach, both played in the same offense, both thrive in big games.
We'll just see. Rosen has a lot of talent - unfortunately, he has a ryan leaf/jeff george asswholeness. and that is what ruined their careers. You mean all those great throws Darnold had in the bowl game? seriously? I will say this - I like Darnold a lot - he isn't ready - he choked - chokes and doesn't protect the ball. It's pretty well known by most observers - it's a problem. How tough it is to start protecting the ball in heavy traffic? Darnold is a serious talent, sure -but he needs to stay in school and stop choking with pressure.
I think Darnold has serious ability to throw with anticipation, to really zing some great shorter throws. But some of his mistakes reminded me of Kizer. "oh, gosh, I'm outnumbered"...lol. I just call em likes I sees em, regardless.
and I'm not trying to be negative - it's what I see. Makes little sense to me to rationalize against Allen, and rationalize the opposite FOR rosen and Darnold. And Darnold was horribly inaccurate early on in the first half. He and his offense just got overrun, and he choked.
Cal, I'm not going to go back and chart every pass Darnold threw. I already erased the tape. Don't know what game you were watching. There were at least a couple perfect 30+ yard sideline dimes. Amazing accuracy hitting crossing routes dead on the money with pressure in his face.
Choked? They got beat by a way superior team. That said, MHO is Sam probably will return to USC. If they had won, might be another story.
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