DARNOLD = WHITE KIZER
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Hey Ghoolie, is there a QB you like in this draft?
I see a lot of happy feet bullshidt out there. Curious as to your take...
Mayfield is the best available QB.
As you mentioned happy feet, that never goes away. It can. It be trained, taught or eliminated. Arnold has happy feet DNA. The pros will expose this even more.
Comments to the effect that "let' draft him because at times he makes amazing throws are examples of why the Browns keep drafting Schidt like Kizer and Garret. Fans think some how once we draft a player we will only see the best parts of them and by magic the bad stuff will just go away.
Darnold is a picnic QB. He is a garbage prospect.
31 teams are now on the clock trying to spread propaganda and once again convince the Browns to waste their high picks so that other teams can get the best players.
Mayfield.
Also.....the kid from Syracuse may be the next Montana. I think he will not be ready until 2019, but I like him.
Mayfield is the best available QB.
As you mentioned happy feet, that never goes away. It can. It be trained, taught or eliminated. Arnold has happy feet DNA. The pros will expose this even more.
Comments to the effect that "let's draft him because at times he makes amazing throws are examples of why the Browns keep drafting Schidt like Kizer and Garret. Fans think some how once we draft a player we will only see the best parts of them and by magic the bad stuff will just go away.
Darnold is a picnic QB. He is a garbage prospect.
31 teams are now on the clock trying to spread propaganda and once again convince the Browns to waste their high picks so that other teams can get the best players.
Mayfield.
Also.....the kid from Syracuse may be the next Montana. I think he will not be ready until 2019, but I like him.
I'm with you on Mayfield Tom. Final grade dependent on how he looks against Georgia or in the National Championship game. The Kid just absolutely hates to lose, shades of Bernie Kosar. Great accuracy, mobile in the pocket, and a decent enough arm.
One thing about Sam Darnold though. It's unfair to judge him as a bust after just one bad outing. My gosh, there were times Ohio State had four guys in his face before he could even look up. A couple sacks he took were from guys having a straight shot at him- totally unblocked. LOL, it took me at least three games to determine Kizer was going to stink as a pro.
PS- I was pretty happy to see OSU LB Jerome Baker from my High School (Cleveland Benedictine) have a nice game. May be playing on Sunday someday. Was a running back in high school, and holds about all of the school records.
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Mayfield is the best available QB.
As you mentioned happy feet, that never goes away. It can. It be trained, taught or eliminated. Arnold has happy feet DNA. The pros will expose this even more.
Comments to the effect that "let's draft him because at times he makes amazing throws are examples of why the Browns keep drafting Schidt like Kizer and Garret. Fans think some how once we draft a player we will only see the best parts of them and by magic the bad stuff will just go away.
Darnold is a picnic QB. He is a garbage prospect.
31 teams are now on the clock trying to spread propaganda and once again convince the Browns to waste their high picks so that other teams can get the best players.
Mayfield.
Also.....the kid from Syracuse may be the next Montana. I think he will not be ready until 2019, but I like him.
I'm with you on Mayfield Tom. Final grade dependent on how he looks against Georgia or in the National Championship game. The Kid just absolutely hates to lose, shades of Bernie Kosar. Great accuracy, mobile in the pocket, and a decent enough arm.
One thing about Sam Darnold though. It's unfair to judge him as a bust after just one bad outing. My gosh, there were times Ohio State had four guys in his face before he could even look up. A couple sacks he took were from guys having a straight shot at him- totally unblocked. LOL, it took me at least three games to determine Kizer was going to stink as a pro.
PS- I was pretty happy to see OSU LB Jerome Baker from my High School (Cleveland Benedictine) have a nice game. May be playing on Sunday someday. Was a running back in high school, and holds about all of the school records.
One thing about Sam Darnold though. It's unfair to judge him as a bust after just one bad outing. LOL, it took me at least three game to determine Kizer was going to stink as a pro.
Darnold with 23 total turnovers is only 4 less turnovers than Kizer in 1 less game. Of course Kizer has a chance to double that gap on Sunday.
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What I would like to see happen: next year QB room will be McCarron, Kizer and Mayfield with Kizer starting. Alex Smith will want no part of this team unless the Browns make a stupid contract, which I don't see happening. Not a fan of McCarron but I think Hue is going to make a huge push for him and get his way. I think having a full offseason will help Kizer, he has shown to be a hard worker, just needs to get his head on straight in the red zone.
What probably will happen: Browns will draft Rosen #1. No matter who starts (vet or Kizer) the fans will be booing at the first interception and demand to start Rosen too early, he will get clobbered and doesn't seem to have the mental toughness to bounce back, and another NFL career will be ruined. Rinse and repeat for the 2019 draft.
What I would like to see happen: next year QB room will be McCarron, Kizer and Mayfield with Kizer starting. I think having a full offseason will help Kizer, he has shown to be a hard worker, just needs to get his head on straight in the red zone.
Are you on bath salts?
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One thing about Sam Darnold though. It's unfair to judge him as a bust after just one bad outing. LOL, it took me at least three game to determine Kizer was going to stink as a pro.
Darnold with 23 total turnovers is only 4 less turnovers than Kizer in 1 less game. Of course Kizer has a chance to double that gap on Sunday.
Darnold with 23 total turnovers is only 4 less turnovers than Kizer in 1 less game. Of course Kizer has a chance to double that gap on Sunday.
BUT- as was mentioned by the announcers , he cleaned up his turnover ratio the last half of the season. Gosh some of those fumbles, there were 4 OSU guys grabbing at the ball. You'd have to be Hercules to prevent strips in those situations.
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What I would like to see happen: next year QB room will be McCarron, Kizer and Mayfield with Kizer starting. I think having a full offseason will help Kizer, he has shown to be a hard worker, just needs to get his head on straight in the red zone.
Are you on bath salts?
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Rosens a bust huh? And u know that how? Cause right now he's twice the qb that wentz or goff were at this stage in their careers. It just depends on where they land. Had we taken wentz he's prob be out of the league already. Same goes with rosen if we draft him and start him right away.
See, this is the problem with you guys. Looking for a QB to start right away. Bring in a VET. Let whomever we draft sit and learn from him. It's the only we this team will ever be able to compete. Yes, we let Wentz and Goff go. But however do those QBs come around? You could be waiting years for them. Bring in Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins and let the young guys learn. The other issue i'm seeing is no one is talking about Josh Allen from Wyoming. But we'll wait until the Combines to see what is really there.
See, this is the problem with you guys. Looking for a QB to start right away. Bring in a VET. Let whomever we draft sit and learn from him. It's the only we this team will ever be able to compete. Yes, we let Wentz and Goff go. But however do those QBs come around? You could be waiting years for them. Bring in Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins and let the young guys learn. The other issue i'm seeing is no one is talking about Josh Allen from Wyoming. But we'll wait until the Combines to see what is really there.
Bringing in a vet and drafting a 1st or 2nd round development? I can embrace that. What I can't is drafting that project anywhere near number 1. Draft him that high and he needs to be plug and play. I can't speak to Darnolds potential but what I saw last night is enough to know he's not plug and play and not a top 10 pick for a team like the Browns who can't afford to miss.
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If u plug and play Rosen day 1, day 2 kizer would be starting. Do you want that? Rosen needs a year to add weight. If he got multiple concussions this year against college players, the nfl will knock him out quickly. Darnold is bad against college competition with a stacked USC team. There should be wtf moments for a college qb, 7-10 max not 23 of them.
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If u plug and play Rosen day 1, day 2 kizer would be starting. Do you want that? Rosen needs a year to add weight. If he got multiple concussions this year against college players, the nfl will knock him out quickly. Darnold is bad against college competition with a stacked USC team. There should be wtf moments for a college qb, 7-10 max not 23 of them.
If u plug and play Rosen day 1, day 2 kizer would be starting. Do you want that? Rosen needs a year to add weight. If he got multiple concussions this year against college players, the nfl will knock him out quickly. Darnold is bad against college competition with a stacked USC team. There should be wtf moments for a college qb, 7-10 max not 23 of them.
This is why im for drafting rosen but signing a vet.
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This kid blows. A guaranteed Ghoolie Bust.
High passes
Shidts his pants under pressure.
Pass on this fukcker.
This kid blows. A guaranteed Ghoolie Bust.
High passes
Shidts his pants under pressure.
Pass on this fukcker.
This wasnt really a fair analysis by u, you've got to know that. Darnold was sacked 8 times yeaterday....thats an astounding amt of time spent in the turf for a qb in one game. The browns havent given up 8 sacks in one game. Darnold is the next brady compared to sandlot kizer.
Is darnold perhaps not the prospect people thought he was a year ago......yeah. I think his carreer will be "wholly" delebdant on where he lands.
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This kid blows. A guaranteed Ghoolie Bust.
High passes
Shidts his pants under pressure.
Pass on this fukcker.
This wasnt really a fair analysis by u, you've got to know that. Darnold was sacked 8 times yeaterday....thats an astounding amt of time spent in the turf for a qb in one game. The browns havent given up 8 sacks in one game. Darnold is the next brady compared to sandlot kizer.
Is darnold perhaps not the prospect people thought he was a year ago......yeah. I think his carreer will be "wholly" delebdant on where he lands.
This wasnt really a fair analysis by u, you've got to know that. Darnold was sacked 8 times yeaterday....thats an astounding amt of time spent in the turf for a qb in one game. The browns havent given up 8 sacks in one game. Darnold is the next brady compared to sandlot kizer.
Is darnold perhaps not the prospect people thought he was a year ago......yeah. I think his carreer will be "wholly" delebdant on where he lands.
He's a dumb bastard.
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This wasnt really a fair analysis by u, you've got to know that. Darnold was sacked 8 times yeaterday....thats an astounding amt of time spent in the turf for a qb in one game. The browns havent given up 8 sacks in one game. Darnold is the next brady compared to sandlot kizer.
Is darnold perhaps not the prospect people thought he was a year ago......yeah. I think his carreer will be "wholly" delebdant on where he lands.
He's a dumb bastard.
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Darnold with 23 total turnovers is only 4 less turnovers than Kizer in 1 less game. Of course Kizer has a chance to double that gap on Sunday.
BUT- as was mentioned by the announcers , he cleaned up his turnover ratio the last half of the season. Gosh some of those fumbles, there were 4 OSU guys grabbing at the ball. You'd have to be Hercules to prevent strips in those situations.
BUT- as was mentioned by the announcers , he cleaned up his turnover ratio the last half of the season. Gosh some of those fumbles, there were 4 OSU guys grabbing at the ball. You'd have to be Hercules to prevent strips in those situations.
You mean the second half of the season where they played stiffs?
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BUT- as was mentioned by the announcers , he cleaned up his turnover ratio the last half of the season. Gosh some of those fumbles, there were 4 OSU guys grabbing at the ball. You'd have to be Hercules to prevent strips in those situations.
You mean the second half of the season where they played stiffs?
You mean the second half of the season where they played stiffs?
You can only play the teams on your schedule. Stanford wasn't a stiff. I'm not in love with any of the QBs coming out- yet. Not even Mayfield- that we both like. We don't even know which underclass guys are going to declare by January 15 (except Allen who already has- and I don't like much like. You want a white Kizer- that Josh is it.) Right now it's 1A, 1B, 1C- and I ain't telling who.
Only guy I HATE so far is Lamar Jackson. Barf. If you watched any of the TaxSlayer Bowl, Lamar made Darnold look like Tom Brady by comparison. Four interceptions and plenty of sacks (6). 170 yards passing (47 qbr), 150 yards rushing- beat you to it Tom- another "Black Tarkenton". And that was against MSU not to be confused with Michigan State. They pointed out in the stats Lamar has sucked the big one against better competition. If Hueless is still around- you can bet the ranch Hue will feel the earth move when he works out Lamar. Double Barf.
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You mean the second half of the season where they played stiffs?
You can only play the teams on your schedule. Stanford wasn't a stiff. I'm not in love with any of the QBs coming out- yet. Not even Mayfield- that we both like. We don't even know which underclass guys are going to declare by January 15 (except Allen who already has- and I don't like much like. You want a white Kizer- that Josh is it.) Right now it's 1A, 1B, 1C- and I ain't telling who.
Only guy I HATE so far is Lamar Jackson. Barf. If you watched any of the TaxSlayer Bowl, Lamar made Darnold look like Tom Brady by comparison. Four interceptions and plenty of sacks (6). 170 yards passing (47 qbr), 150 yards rushing- beat you to it Tom- another "Black Tarkenton". And that was against MSU not to be confused with Michigan State. They pointed out in the stats Lamar has sucked the big one against better competition. If Hueless is still around- you can bet the ranch Hue will feel the earth move when he works out Lamar. Double Barf.
You can only play the teams on your schedule. Stanford wasn't a stiff. I'm not in love with any of the QBs coming out- yet. Not even Mayfield- that we both like. We don't even know which underclass guys are going to declare by January 15 (except Allen who already has- and I don't like much like. You want a white Kizer- that Josh is it.) Right now it's 1A, 1B, 1C- and I ain't telling who.
Only guy I HATE so far is Lamar Jackson. Barf. If you watched any of the TaxSlayer Bowl, Lamar made Darnold look like Tom Brady by comparison. Four interceptions and plenty of sacks (6). 170 yards passing (47 qbr), 150 yards rushing- beat you to it Tom- another "Black Tarkenton". And that was against MSU not to be confused with Michigan State. They pointed out in the stats Lamar has sucked the big one against better competition. If Hueless is still around- you can bet the ranch Hue will feel the earth move when he works out Lamar. Double Barf.
There's too much basing a whole college career on ONE game going on ITT.
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Well...if Kizer was Black Tarkenton...then Darnold would be what...
the 'Cracker' Jacker? or just plain 'the Man'?
but neither are worthy of distinction (.......yet?.........)and one isn't even close.
my solution draft IOWA ST QB Kyle Kemp, who each time i've seen him this year he performs dead on with great arm. knock would no pro style but spread. b then trade for kaaya from lions. liked him better than 1/2 QBs going last year.
wouldn't blow your picks on busts but could comcentrate on building back end of D and getting us real OL and RB.
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See, this is the problem with you guys. Looking for a QB to start right away. Bring in a VET. Let whomever we draft sit and learn from him. It's the only we this team will ever be able to compete. Yes, we let Wentz and Goff go. But however do those QBs come around? You could be waiting years for them. Bring in Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins and let the young guys learn. The other issue i'm seeing is no one is talking about Josh Allen from Wyoming. But we'll wait until the Combines to see what is really there.
Multiple threads have discussed Josh Allen thoroughly. calfox is the board's Josh Allen Fan Club President.
I'm all for acquiring Alex Smith to start for a season or so while the rookie sits and learns (probably less start time for Smith if Rosen is drafted), but you want to throw most likely the biggest contract in NFL history at Cousins for him to basically man the position for a season while a rookie - and his eventual replacement - sits? There's going to be some decent vet QBs available this offseason that could fill that spot cheaper than Cousins. Why would Cousins sign with a team that looks at him as a short term starter?
Multiple threads have discussed Josh Allen thoroughly. calfox is the board's Josh Allen Fan Club President.
Yes, I'm aware of other threads. Just talking about this one.
I'm all for acquiring Alex Smith to start for a season or so while the rookie sits and learns (probably less start time for Smith if Rosen is drafted), but you want to throw most likely the biggest contract in NFL history at Cousins for him to basically man the position for a season while a rookie - and his eventual replacement - sits? There's going to be some decent vet QBs available this offseason that could fill that spot cheaper than Cousins. Why would Cousins sign with a team that looks at him as a short term starter?
Yes, I would rather Alex Smith as our starter. Just throwing out another name in Kirk Cousins. Of course, who's to say if Cousins comes here, he couldn't play more than two seasons? Who's to say we couldn't offer him a 3 or 4 year contract while the other QB sit and learns. This is the way the very good teams are getting it done today. We can throw out the Eagles and the Rams (We know the got to very good QBs). But that's is very rare and hard to find. And I know we could have had either of them, but that's water under the bridge now.
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Well...if Kizer was Black Tarkenton...then Darnold would be what...
the 'Cracker' Jacker? or just plain 'the Man'?
but neither are worthy of distinction (.......yet?.........)and one isn't even close.
my solution draft IOWA ST QB Kyle Kemp, who each time i've seen him this year he performs dead on with great arm. knock would no pro style but spread. b then trade for kaaya from lions. liked him better than 1/2 QBs going last year.
wouldn't blow your picks on busts but could comcentrate on building back end of D and getting us real OL and RB.
the 'Cracker' Jacker? or just plain 'the Man'?
but neither are worthy of distinction (.......yet?.........)and one isn't even close.
my solution draft IOWA ST QB Kyle Kemp, who each time i've seen him this year he performs dead on with great arm. knock would no pro style but spread. b then trade for kaaya from lions. liked him better than 1/2 QBs going last year.
wouldn't blow your picks on busts but could comcentrate on building back end of D and getting us real OL and RB.
Wait you want another QB that panics when under pressure in the redzone and throws the ball up for grabs Kizer style.
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the 'Cracker' Jacker? or just plain 'the Man'?
but neither are worthy of distinction (.......yet?.........)and one isn't even close.
my solution draft IOWA ST QB Kyle Kemp, who each time i've seen him this year he performs dead on with great arm. knock would no pro style but spread. b then trade for kaaya from lions. liked him better than 1/2 QBs going last year.
wouldn't blow your picks on busts but could comcentrate on building back end of D and getting us real OL and RB.
Wait you want another QB that panics when under pressure in the redzone and throws the ball up for grabs Kizer style.
Wait you want another QB that panics when under pressure in the redzone and throws the ball up for grabs Kizer style.
who dat?
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