If Rosen stays for one more year, which QB are you taking?
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I suspect if you poled the team they would not consider Garrett a bad pick at all and would in fact verify they think he is their best defender overall. As the defense starts playing better, so will he.
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I suspect if you poled the team they would not consider Garrett a bad pick at all and would in fact verify they think he is their best defender overall. As the defense starts playing better, so will he.
I suspect if you poled the team they would not consider Garrett a bad pick at all and would in fact verify they think he is their best defender overall. As the defense starts playing better, so will he.
That's exactly right. Listen people, I get it. We wanted the #1 pick to instantly transform our team, and it just doesn't work like that. Starting out hurt a couple days before the season started was absolutely awful for him, and it was bad luck. Losing Ogbah certainly didn't help either. What some fans also don't realize is that Myles Garrett is somebody the opposing coaches ACTUALLY have to game plan for, and have to account for every play. When is the last time we had THAT?
I also think it took Gregg a little while to learn how to use him. As I've said many times, Myles Garrett's "super wide speed rush" was always a waste of time. It literally never worked. The tackle only had to let Myles go wide, and the qb just stepped up. Perhaps this is what Gregg wanted. He wanted Myles to have an outside contain. I don't know. What I do know is that the outside move didn't work ONE time, and was easily handled by nfl tackles. Actually, I take that back. It worked once against the Chargers, but he was held (and almost broke his foot). Now I'm sure I'm exaggerating a bit, and it worked more than once, but my point is that his outside speed rush wasn't his best tool, and maybe it's because his ankle was hurt, or maybe it was a scheme issue, but he was more effective as an inside rusher.
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I suspect if you poled the team they would not consider Garrett a bad pick at all and would in fact verify they think he is their best defender overall. As the defense starts playing better, so will he.
I suspect if you poled the team they would not consider Garrett a bad pick at all and would in fact verify they think he is their best defender overall. As the defense starts playing better, so will he.
if that was the case then his opposition peers would have voted him into the Pro Bowl, I'm not convinced and don't use injuries as an excuse because he is injury prone.
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I suspect if you poled the team they would not consider Garrett a bad pick at all and would in fact verify they think he is their best defender overall. As the defense starts playing better, so will he.
if that was the case then his opposition peers would have voted him into the Pro Bowl, I'm not convinced and don't use injuries as an excuse because he is injury prone.
if that was the case then his opposition peers would have voted him into the Pro Bowl, I'm not convinced and don't use injuries as an excuse because he is injury prone.
A pro-bowler off a 0-15 team? Now that would be a new NFL record.
I never said he played like a pro-bowler at all. I just said his teammates know he is their best defender. That's all I said and nothing more about injuries, pro bowls, etc. I also said I thought he would get better as the defense got better. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out either. And before the season I said Ogbah would benefit from his presence on the field more than any other player because DC would game plan for him every week. Unfortunately they just were not on the field together enough to know if I was right or not. Maybe next year we'll have a better answer along with a better coach.
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if that was the case then his opposition peers would have voted him into the Pro Bowl, I'm not convinced and don't use injuries as an excuse because he is injury prone.
A pro-bowler off a 0-15 team? Now that would be a new NFL record.
I never said he played like a pro-bowler at all. I just said his teammates know he is their best defender. That's all I said and nothing more about injuries, pro bowls, etc. I also said I thought he would get better as the defense got better. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out either. And before the season I said Ogbah would benefit from his presence on the field more than any other player because DC would game plan for him every week. Unfortunately they just were not on the field together enough to know if I was right or not. Maybe next year we'll have a better answer along with a better coach.
A pro-bowler off a 0-15 team? Now that would be a new NFL record.
I never said he played like a pro-bowler at all. I just said his teammates know he is their best defender. That's all I said and nothing more about injuries, pro bowls, etc. I also said I thought he would get better as the defense got better. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out either. And before the season I said Ogbah would benefit from his presence on the field more than any other player because DC would game plan for him every week. Unfortunately they just were not on the field together enough to know if I was right or not. Maybe next year we'll have a better answer along with a better coach.
fair enough sometimes reading all these posts at once the meanings tend to blend together.
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Opinions are like a holes everyone has one. SO I will show you mine. Are needs are QB , QB, QB. You get one by trade, free agency or draft. Been a browns fan since my dad had me watch Leroy Kelly and Paul Warfield. Showing my age but it is time to win 1 for all of us. Need to get a t-shirt going from worst to first. Since we have passed on qb's the last 2 drafts and trading down has gotten us a young team but no QB I can't believe I am looking at dropping back to 10-12th position get another #1 pick next year and take Mason Rudolph from ok st. Reminds me of big ben keeps his eyes down field and just side steps the rush and delivers the ball. Take Barkley at #4 and if the qb rush in the draft hasn't started get WR Ridley from Alabama with the second pick.. Get Rudolph at pick 33 in the second. Our defense is fine if the offense keeps the ball and doesn't average 3 turnovers a game. Need to put some excitement back in the stands.
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Newbie here.
Opinions are like a holes everyone has one. SO I will show you mine. Are needs are QB , QB, QB. You get one by trade, free agency or draft. Been a browns fan since my dad had me watch Leroy Kelly and Paul Warfield. Showing my age but it is time to win 1 for all of us. Need to get a t-shirt going from worst to first. Since we have passed on qb's the last 2 drafts and trading down has gotten us a young team but no QB I can't believe I am looking at dropping back to 10-12th position get another #1 pick next year and take Mason Rudolph from ok st. Reminds me of big ben keeps his eyes down field and just side steps the rush and delivers the ball. Take Barkley at #4 and if the qb rush in the draft hasn't started get WR Ridley from Alabama with the second pick.. Get Rudolph at pick 33 in the second. Our defense is fine if the offense keeps the ball and doesn't average 3 turnovers a game. Need to put some excitement back in the stands.
Newbie here.
Opinions are like a holes everyone has one. SO I will show you mine. Are needs are QB , QB, QB. You get one by trade, free agency or draft. Been a browns fan since my dad had me watch Leroy Kelly and Paul Warfield. Showing my age but it is time to win 1 for all of us. Need to get a t-shirt going from worst to first. Since we have passed on qb's the last 2 drafts and trading down has gotten us a young team but no QB I can't believe I am looking at dropping back to 10-12th position get another #1 pick next year and take Mason Rudolph from ok st. Reminds me of big ben keeps his eyes down field and just side steps the rush and delivers the ball. Take Barkley at #4 and if the qb rush in the draft hasn't started get WR Ridley from Alabama with the second pick.. Get Rudolph at pick 33 in the second. Our defense is fine if the offense keeps the ball and doesn't average 3 turnovers a game. Need to put some excitement back in the stands.
If you are right about Rudolph then he will not be there in the second round, even early like that.
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The QB that's winning the national championship. Baker Mayfield.
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Rosen is the most natural passer in the class but he makes poor decisions and is a head case who will likely shut down if he isn't put into an ideal situation, which we are not. Darnold has probabbly the best touch and inticilation, but he also makes dumb decisions and he doesn't take care of the football. Allen is a slightly more athletic version of Kizer so why even waste a pick on him, and Mayfield has the best accuracy, leadership, and play making ability, but he will need an offense talor made for him because of his height and who knows what will happen when he gets put into a situation where he doesn't reguarly get over 3 seconds to throw.
At this point in time if I have to take a QB in the first, I am 100% taking them at #1 unless the Giants do want to trade up and they are very clear and honest that the guy they are taking is Rosen. And the QB I would take at that spot is at the point Baker Mayfield.
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The QB that's winning the national championship. Baker Mayfield.
The QB that's winning the national championship. Baker Mayfield.
Does Mayfield have another year of eligibility that I'm not aware of?
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Rosen is the most natural passer in the class but he makes poor decisions and is a head case who will likely shut down if he isn't put into an ideal situation, which we are not. Darnold has probabbly the best touch and inticilation, but he also makes dumb decisions and he doesn't take care of the football. Allen is a slightly more athletic version of Kizer so why even waste a pick on him, and Mayfield has the best accuracy, leadership, and play making ability, but he will need an offense talor made for him because of his height and who knows what will happen when he gets put into a situation where he doesn't reguarly get over 3 seconds to throw.
At this point in time if I have to take a QB in the first, I am 100% taking them at #1 unless the Giants do want to trade up and they are very clear and honest that the guy they are taking is Rosen. And the QB I would take at that spot is at the point Baker Mayfield.
Rosen is the most natural passer in the class but he makes poor decisions and is a head case who will likely shut down if he isn't put into an ideal situation, which we are not. Darnold has probabbly the best touch and inticilation, but he also makes dumb decisions and he doesn't take care of the football. Allen is a slightly more athletic version of Kizer so why even waste a pick on him, and Mayfield has the best accuracy, leadership, and play making ability, but he will need an offense talor made for him because of his height and who knows what will happen when he gets put into a situation where he doesn't reguarly get over 3 seconds to throw.
At this point in time if I have to take a QB in the first, I am 100% taking them at #1 unless the Giants do want to trade up and they are very clear and honest that the guy they are taking is Rosen. And the QB I would take at that spot is at the point Baker Mayfield.
what could we realistically get in return if we do a trade with the Giants. We'd obviously get their No. 2 overall ...and?
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A must read. . .
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A must read. . .
A must read. . .
Well you can't judge a book by it's cover...........................................................................unless it's empty of course.
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Hue knows QB development like Casey Anthony knows child care.
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Josh Allen is currently the qb I think is most likely.
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