Rosen and Darnold declare for NFL Draft
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Pick all of them and let them compete.
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draft the hateful arrogant uncoachable cancer in community and lockerroom controversy sombeitch from UCLA. I do like Darnold - he isn't off the list. If you plan on starting him sooner than later, you might pick Darnold. His fumbling just seems inherent in who he is. He's had time to fix that. That isn't a matter of the system or anything.
Allen is the only one of the three that showed he can play in a pro style offense. It just doesn't lend itself to real high stats, since he doesn't have a bigtime college competitive team around him.
I'll say this once nicely Cal, and I mentioned it already in the Who's #1 thread. You're getting over the top with your Rosen hatred. Tone it back or I'm going to start deleting it.
I'll say this once nicely Cal, and I mentioned it already in the Who's #1 thread. You're getting over the top with your Rosen hatred. Tone it back or I'm going to start deleting it.
sure thing, sissy liberal stanley, who logged in as you, apparently. (don't think it was zombo).
ADVICE: DON"T DISH IT OUT IF YOU DON"T WANT IT BACK>GROW UP, whoever this actually was.
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I too find it hard to get excited about any of this group of qbs. I am impressed with Rosen and think he has best chance to be a star in the league. It breaks my heart what he said about not wanting to play in Cleveland. I can understand a kid from so cal though, being intimidated to have to move to the cold NE. I sure wouldn't have as a kid from L.A. Right now I rank them like this:
Rosen, seems so slick and smooth
Allen, has such a huge upside with right coach and patience. With wrong team it could be a disaster for the kid.
Darnold, I keep trying to see what others see in him. Guess I am just not expert enough to evaluate him so highly.
Mayfield, I don't even like looking at him. Just gives me the creeps. Something just doesn't seem right there.
Rudolph, could end up having the longest career of all of them.
Jackson, Would be most fun to watch if he can cut it as a nfl qb.
I too find it hard to get excited about any of this group of qbs. I am impressed with Rosen and think he has best chance to be a star in the league. It breaks my heart what he said about not wanting to play in Cleveland. I can understand a kid from so cal though, being intimidated to have to move to the cold NE. I sure wouldn't have as a kid from L.A. Right now I rank them like this:
Rosen, seems so slick and smooth
Allen, has such a huge upside with right coach and patience. With wrong team it could be a disaster for the kid.
Darnold, I keep trying to see what others see in him. Guess I am just not expert enough to evaluate him so highly.
Mayfield, I don't even like looking at him. Just gives me the creeps. Something just doesn't seem right there.
Rudolph, could end up having the longest career of all of them.
Jackson, Would be most fun to watch if he can cut it as a nfl qb.
Dang, I suspected you were ole Sheply come back, at first....but then I agreed with your qb appraisal, so, sorry, my bad...you ain't him.
Good ranking.
(based strictly on football pocket passer ability maybe)
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Listen, if you go back the past 4 or 5 years all you will see is "this QB class is weak..."
The reality is quite a few good QBs have come out. The hard part is evaluating how these QBs in today's college game will translate to the NFL. Very fee college systems are pro style, so there is tons of "projecting" that needs to happen. Hopefully, we have the guys now that are able to do that...
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1. Darnold has the best accuracy of the top 3 candidates. Nice quick reads and throws well at all 3 levels. He has decent mobility and throws well on the run. His footwork needs to get better and he seems to be little nervous about climbing the pocket. I see a ot of Aaron Rodgers in his game.
2. Josh Allen is very raw. He has a crazy strong arm but he throws like a pitcher. He maybe 6'4-6'5 but he drops down to about 6 foot when he throws a ot of times. His throwing motion reminds me of a baseball pitcher. His accuracy is hit or miss but it maybe correctable with a better throwing motion. He is a flame thrower and needs to show more touch. He is big bodied and isn' afraid of contact. He has good straight line speed but he won't make anyone miss in the nfl which may land him on IR if he doesn't learn to get down. Hard to compare him to anyone but I see a more polished version of Kizer.
3. Josh Rosen has the best fundamentals. He has the best all around game as of now, but he is limited athletically. The personality issues are a red flag but the real concern is his injury history. He can't help the team if he's not on the field. I think he's Jay Cutler mixed with Peyton manning legs and Sam bradfords toughness. He scares me but he is a solid passer.
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I'll say this once nicely Cal, and I mentioned it already in the Who's #1 thread. You're getting over the top with your Rosen hatred. Tone it back or I'm going to start deleting it.
sure thing, sissy liberal stanley, who logged in as you, apparently. (don't think it was zombo).
ADVICE: DON"T DISH IT OUT IF YOU DON"T WANT IT BACK>GROW UP, whoever this actually was.
ADVICE: DON"T DISH IT OUT IF YOU DON"T WANT IT BACK>GROW UP, whoever this actually was.
Interesting how you have two different standards at the poly board vs this one
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1. Darnold has the best accuracy of the top 3 candidates. Nice quick reads and throws well at all 3 levels. He has decent mobility and throws well on the run. His footwork needs to get better and he seems to be little nervous about climbing the pocket. I see a ot of Aaron Rodgers in his game.
2. Josh Allen is very raw. He has a crazy strong arm but he throws like a pitcher. He maybe 6'4-6'5 but he drops down to about 6 foot when he throws a ot of times. His throwing motion reminds me of a baseball pitcher. His accuracy is hit or miss but it maybe correctable with a better throwing motion. He is a flame thrower and needs to show more touch. He is big bodied and isn' afraid of contact. He has good straight line speed but he won't make anyone miss in the nfl which may land him on IR if he doesn't learn to get down. Hard to compare him to anyone but I see a more polished version of Kizer.
3. Josh Rosen has the best fundamentals. He has the best all around game as of now, but he is limited athletically. The personality issues are a red flag but the real concern is his injury history. He can't help the team if he's not on the field. I think he's Jay Cutler mixed with Peyton manning legs and Sam bradfords toughness. He scares me but he is a solid passer.
1. Darnold has the best accuracy of the top 3 candidates. Nice quick reads and throws well at all 3 levels. He has decent mobility and throws well on the run. His footwork needs to get better and he seems to be little nervous about climbing the pocket. I see a ot of Aaron Rodgers in his game.
2. Josh Allen is very raw. He has a crazy strong arm but he throws like a pitcher. He maybe 6'4-6'5 but he drops down to about 6 foot when he throws a ot of times. His throwing motion reminds me of a baseball pitcher. His accuracy is hit or miss but it maybe correctable with a better throwing motion. He is a flame thrower and needs to show more touch. He is big bodied and isn' afraid of contact. He has good straight line speed but he won't make anyone miss in the nfl which may land him on IR if he doesn't learn to get down. Hard to compare him to anyone but I see a more polished version of Kizer.
3. Josh Rosen has the best fundamentals. He has the best all around game as of now, but he is limited athletically. The personality issues are a red flag but the real concern is his injury history. He can't help the team if he's not on the field. I think he's Jay Cutler mixed with Peyton manning legs and Sam bradfords toughness. He scares me but he is a solid passer.
Don't sleep on his athleticism (Rosen). He was a highly ranked national tennis player before switching to football. Just because he is more of a pocket passer doesn't mean he can't scramble to keep plays alive. You can't be a great tennis player without having quick feet and good movement.
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I may have been hard on Rosens athletic ability, because I have only went over a handful of his games. I haven't seen anything yet that says his tennis skills translate but I've got plenty of tape to watch.
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Darnold got killed in the cotton bowl against a very good defense and crappy line play so anyone making a decision on that one game is foolish if anything i would be interested in is his hand size
Darnold got killed in the cotton bowl against a very good defense and crappy line play so anyone making a decision on that one game is foolish if anything i would be interested in is his hand size
Jameis Winston got killed in the Rose Bowl a few years back and still went #1 overall. No team is going to base it's entire decision on one game.
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Interesting how you have two different standards at the poly board vs this one
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Edited after Mark replied, I missed this other Cal gem... Get it though your head Cal!!!
Apparently it's OK for Cal to call Rosen:
"blech. a hateful arrogant sombeithc mumbler, and a fumbler.
whatever."
"can't coach up stupid arrogant asswholeness."
Maybe I'll have Zombo autocorrect Allen to "Bowlegged hick Cowboy".
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Interesting how you have two different standards at the poly board vs this one
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Edited after Mark replied, I missed this other Cal gem... Get it though your head Cal!!!
Apparently it's OK for Cal to call Rosen:
"blech. a hateful arrogant sombeithc mumbler, and a fumbler.
whatever."
"can't coach up stupid arrogant asswholeness."
Maybe I'll have Zombo autocorrect Allen to "Bowlegged hick Cowboy".
Apparently it's OK for Cal to call Rosen:
"blech. a hateful arrogant sombeithc mumbler, and a fumbler.
whatever."
Maybe I'll have Zombo autocorrect Allen to "Bowlegged hick Cowboy".
You forgot inaccurate as a QB in a very weak conference. 56% in the Mountain West ain't gonna get it done at the next level. He's a project at best. Maybe you can get Zombo to put Cals love for Allen (and unhealthy level of hate for Rosen) and PoG (stalker level) love for Hogan and just combine them all in one place so it stops mucking up the board.
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1. Darnold has the best accuracy of the top 3 candidates. Nice quick reads and throws well at all 3 levels. He has decent mobility and throws well on the run. His footwork needs to get better and he seems to be little nervous about climbing the pocket. I see a ot of Aaron Rodgers in his game.
2. Josh Allen is very raw. He has a crazy strong arm but he throws like a pitcher. He maybe 6'4-6'5 but he drops down to about 6 foot when he throws a ot of times. His throwing motion reminds me of a baseball pitcher. His accuracy is hit or miss but it maybe correctable with a better throwing motion. He is a flame thrower and needs to show more touch. He is big bodied and isn' afraid of contact. He has good straight line speed but he won't make anyone miss in the nfl which may land him on IR if he doesn't learn to get down. Hard to compare him to anyone but I see a more polished version of Kizer.
3. Josh Rosen has the best fundamentals. He has the best all around game as of now, but he is limited athletically. The personality issues are a red flag but the real concern is his injury history. He can't help the team if he's not on the field. I think he's Jay Cutler mixed with Peyton manning legs and Sam bradfords toughness. He scares me but he is a solid passer.
Don't sleep on his athleticism (Rosen). He was a highly ranked national tennis player before switching to football. Just because he is more of a pocket passer doesn't mean he can't scramble to keep plays alive. You can't be a great tennis player without having quick feet and good movement.
Don't sleep on his athleticism (Rosen). He was a highly ranked national tennis player before switching to football. Just because he is more of a pocket passer doesn't mean he can't scramble to keep plays alive. You can't be a great tennis player without having quick feet and good movement.
Is there tape on this tennis savant? I was already a fan of rosen but if he spuns in a good kick 2nd serve i might be a sprung little bitch for him now. I mean such translateable skills right? Maybe someone should throw novak or nadal a football at the next u.s open, see what they got.
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Darnold got killed in the cotton bowl against a very good defense and crappy line play so anyone making a decision on that one game is foolish if anything i would be interested in is his hand size
Jameis Winston got killed in the Rose Bowl a few years back and still went #1 overall. No team is going to base it's entire decision on one game.
Jameis Winston got killed in the Rose Bowl a few years back and still went #1 overall. No team is going to base it's entire decision on one game.
Maybe the Buccaneers should have...
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I may have been hard on Rosens athletic ability, because I have only went over a handful of his games. I haven't seen anything yet that says his tennis skills translate but I've got plenty of tape to watch.
. I haven't seen anything yet that says his tennis skills translate but I've got plenty of tape to watch.
I read he had one if the best backhands in d1 collegiate tennis. Solid resume builder for the nfl.
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. I haven't seen anything yet that says his tennis skills translate but I've got plenty of tape to watch.
I read he had one if the best backhands in d1 collegiate tennis. Solid resume builder for the nfl.
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I read he had one if the best backhands in d1 collegiate tennis. Solid resume builder for the nfl.
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& those California schools field some bad a$$ tennis teams. I won a couple letters on the collegiate level. Played one match against a guy who made it to the NCAA quarterfinals, and he hit serves at me the likes of which I had never seen before.... Of course I got smoked 6-0,6-0.
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Maybe the Buccaneers should have...
WSS
Maybe....but Winston is still better than any QB we've had since 99.
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Apparently it's OK for Cal to call Rosen:
"blech. a hateful arrogant sombeithc mumbler, and a fumbler.
whatever."
Maybe I'll have Zombo autocorrect Allen to "Bowlegged hick Cowboy".
You forgot inaccurate as a QB in a very weak conference. 56% in the Mountain West ain't gonna get it done at the next level. He's a project at best. Maybe you can get Zombo to put Cals love for Allen (and unhealthy level of hate for Rosen) and PoG (stalker level) love for Hogan and just combine them all in one place so it stops mucking up the board.
You forgot inaccurate as a QB in a very weak conference. 56% in the Mountain West ain't gonna get it done at the next level. He's a project at best. Maybe you can get Zombo to put Cals love for Allen (and unhealthy level of hate for Rosen) and PoG (stalker level) love for Hogan and just combine them all in one place so it stops mucking up the board.
I've already suggested to Cal that he start a Camp Allen thread, so we can keep the Allen love and Rosen hate in one place....
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blech. a hateful arrogant sombeithc mumbler, and a fumbler.
whatever.
Josh Allen is the qb to draft first.
Wanna make a bet? A bottle on my Diplomatico Reserva Exclusiva Rum vs. equal value of whatever you like. The bet is Josh Allen will not be anyone's winning starting QB in his career in any season he plays. 9-7 or better and you are rewarded, 8-8 is a push and anything less is my win whenever he leaves the league. You get all those season for him to do it even once as the starter. Being on the bench during wins will not count for you though, so that is my only advantage.
Wanna make a bet? A bottle on my Diplomatico Reserva Exclusiva Rum vs. equal value of whatever you like. The bet is Josh Allen will not be anyone's winning starting QB in his career in any season he plays. 9-7 or better and you are rewarded, 8-8 is a push and anything less is my win whenever he leaves the league. You get all those season for him to do it even once as the starter. Being on the bench during wins will not count for you though, so that is my only advantage.
I am going to go get a bottle today, bro. I have long been a Zaya fan, and I don't know if it is just my taste buds or that the rum has changed since the ownership changed, but recent bottles have not seemed as smooth to me. Some say that the new version is sweeter but It doesn't strike me as so. I think it is a little less sweet and less smooth. It is still my favorite rum, but I am going to give yours a shot. I will let you know what I think.
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