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    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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    Obama just let it go, Sessions is giving authority to federal prosecutors to go ahead and ENFORCE FEDERAL LAWS.  I hope they do it in CA and CO.  It will really piss off their Governor's.  Fuk em.

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      There is just a fine line - Federal rights, like the 1st/2nd Amendments, etc... are not trashable by

      states.  But there is no amendment that says "the right of the people to do and sell bad illegal drugs shall not be infringed"

      It's simple.

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      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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      @calfoxwc said:

      There is just a fine line - Federal rights, like the 1st/2nd Amendments, etc... are not trashable by

      states.  But there is no amendment that says "the right of the people to do and sell bad illegal drugs shall not be infringed"

      It's simple.

      If the majority of voters in a state want it, should they have the right to make it into law? 

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        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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        Should weed be legal?

        No

        Why?

        Because it's an illegal drug

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          jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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          "I really believe you should leave [legalization] up to the states; it should be a state by state situation..."

          "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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            DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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            MAGA!

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              @calfoxwc said:

              There is just a fine line - Federal rights, like the 1st/2nd Amendments, etc... are not trashable by

              states.  But there is no amendment that says "the right of the people to do and sell bad illegal drugs shall not be infringed"

              It's simple.

              If the majority of voters in a state want it, should they have the right to make it into law? 

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              C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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              @logicisforsquares said:

              If the majority of voters in a state want it, should they have the right to make it into law? 

              not if it directly contradicts clear cut Constitutional Rights.

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                @logicisforsquares said:

                If the majority of voters in a state want it, should they have the right to make it into law? 

                not if it directly contradicts clear cut Constitutional Rights.

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                jbluhm86J jbluhm86 wrote on last edited by
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                @calfoxwc said:

                not if it directly contradicts clear cut Constitutional Rights.

                What "clear cut onstitutional right(s)" does the potential federal decriminalization of marijuana violate?

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                  @logicisforsquares said:

                  If the majority of voters in a state want it, should they have the right to make it into law? 

                  not if it directly contradicts clear cut Constitutional Rights.

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  @calfoxwc said:

                  not if it directly contradicts clear cut Constitutional Rights.

                  Marijuana isn’t mentioned in the constitution. So if the majority of citizens in a state want it legal, it is fine?

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                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                    If it is illegal federally, it cannot be legal on a state basis, as I understand it.

                    Here is a great explanation - I didn't write it...

                    "Wrong. The law that applies to situations where state and federal laws disagree is called the supremacy clause, which is part of article VI of the Constitution. The supremacy clause contains what's known as the doctrine of pre-emption, which says that the federal government wins in the case of conflicting legislation.

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                      @calfoxwc said:

                      not if it directly contradicts clear cut Constitutional Rights.

                      Marijuana isn’t mentioned in the constitution. So if the majority of citizens in a state want it legal, it is fine?

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                      @logicisforsquares said:

                      Marijuana isn’t mentioned in the constitution. So if the majority of citizens in a state want it legal, it is fine?

                      It was in the Declaration of Independence, we hold these truths to be self-evident that all non-weed smoking white men are created equal.

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                        DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                        trump_may

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                          W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                          So I see this has devolved from states rights into a 'hey man,  I want to get high' thread.

                          The biggest dangers involved with oxy or heroin are impure sources, the drugs being laced with even more powerful or dangerous substances.

                          So for the safety of those who like the buzz why not just legalized it all and control it, making sure the pills you buy on the street are safe and dose controlled?

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                            So I see this has devolved from states rights into a 'hey man,  I want to get high' thread.

                            The biggest dangers involved with oxy or heroin are impure sources, the drugs being laced with even more powerful or dangerous substances.

                            So for the safety of those who like the buzz why not just legalized it all and control it, making sure the pills you buy on the street are safe and dose controlled?

                            WSS

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                            @westside-steve said:

                            So I see this has devolved from states rights into a 'hey man,  I want to get high' thread.

                            The biggest dangers involved with oxy or heroin are impure sources, the drugs being laced with even more powerful or dangerous substances.

                            So for the safety of those who like the buzz why not just legalized it all and control it, making sure the pills you buy on the street are safe and dose controlled?

                            WSS

                            Biggest danger to the individual, yes.  The biggest danger with the opioid epidemic is decreased human productivity and crime.

                            The States' rights vs strong central government discussion it worthwhile but gets oversimplified too often to make a point.  For instance this Country couldn't allow a State to legalize burglary.

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                              @westside-steve said:

                              So I see this has devolved from states rights into a 'hey man,  I want to get high' thread.

                              The biggest dangers involved with oxy or heroin are impure sources, the drugs being laced with even more powerful or dangerous substances.

                              So for the safety of those who like the buzz why not just legalized it all and control it, making sure the pills you buy on the street are safe and dose controlled?

                              WSS

                              Biggest danger to the individual, yes.  The biggest danger with the opioid epidemic is decreased human productivity and crime.

                              The States' rights vs strong central government discussion it worthwhile but gets oversimplified too often to make a point.  For instance this Country couldn't allow a State to legalize burglary.

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                              @baconhound said:

                              Biggest danger to the individual, yes.  The biggest danger with the opioid epidemic is decreased human productivity and crime.

                              The States' rights vs strong central government discussion it worthwhile but gets oversimplified too often to make a point.  For instance this Country couldn't allow a State to legalize burglary.

                              Why would crime be a problem if it were freely distributed at a low cost? And the doses were controlled and safe? Heck the pillbillies could just stay home all day, never venture out into the public.

                              Human productivity, you're kidding about that one right?

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                                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                If something is legal on a federal level, can a state make it illegal? 

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                                  C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                  The law that applies to situations where state and federal laws disagree is called the supremacy clause, which is part of article VI of the Constitution. The supremacy clause contains what's known as the doctrine of pre-emption, which says that the federal government wins in the case of conflicting legislation.

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                                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                    I can't wait until the Feds shut down all the businesses in Colorado, and stop any from opening in CA, 😁

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                                      @baconhound said:

                                      Biggest danger to the individual, yes.  The biggest danger with the opioid epidemic is decreased human productivity and crime.

                                      The States' rights vs strong central government discussion it worthwhile but gets oversimplified too often to make a point.  For instance this Country couldn't allow a State to legalize burglary.

                                      Why would crime be a problem if it were freely distributed at a low cost? And the doses were controlled and safe? Heck the pillbillies could just stay home all day, never venture out into the public.

                                      Human productivity, you're kidding about that one right?

                                      WSS

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                                      @westside-steve said:

                                      Why would crime be a problem if it were freely distributed at a low cost? And the doses were controlled and safe? Heck the pillbillies could just stay home all day, never venture out into the public.

                                      Human productivity, you're kidding about that one right?

                                      WSS

                                      You take wasted people with nothing but time on their hands and bad things happen.

                                      Yeah at some point when the Donald moves us to underemployment the labor force will need to pick up the slack.

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                                        @westside-steve said:

                                        Why would crime be a problem if it were freely distributed at a low cost? And the doses were controlled and safe? Heck the pillbillies could just stay home all day, never venture out into the public.

                                        Human productivity, you're kidding about that one right?

                                        WSS

                                        You take wasted people with nothing but time on their hands and bad things happen.

                                        Yeah at some point when the Donald moves us to underemployment the labor force will need to pick up the slack.

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                                        @baconhound said:

                                        You take wasted people with nothing but time on their hands and bad things happen.

                                         that's exactly true. Welcome to Utopia.

                                        Yeah at some point when the Donald moves us to underemployment the labor force will need to pick up the slack.

                                         unfortunately the day has passed when we can all live like kings while doing jobs that a monkey can do. We don't need 200000 men to run a software firm. The days of earning an upper middle-class income by loading and unloading semi trucks is in the rear view. Sure we could open up the borders and let unskilled laborers flood in like rats to pick fruit but don't kid yourself bacon, their children and grandchildren won't do it.

                                        WSS

                                         go back to Robert Reich and his participation wage thread I put up. What will those people have to do with their lives than sit around and smoke weed?

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