Trade down this year would be a great this
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It is a concern, but I feel that there are a lot of guys who have developed their game in the NFL. Drew brees, Matt Stafford, and Alex smith have all increased their comp% by double digits over the course of their careers.
Also, I feel that Kizer is too young and under too much pressure to have the patience to throw with touch. It seems like every throw he makes is a “GO GO GO GO!!!” situation. Maybe Kizer will flame out, but letting him develop his game behind a guy like Alex Smith (who has increased his comp % by 17 points in his career) would allow the Browns to vastly improve the team around them and better both guy’s chances at success...
I will say this, however. I’d be shocked if Dorsey doesn’t draft a QB at 1 overall. Shocked to the point I would jump in the lake with uncle fester if they moved forward with a depth chart of Smith, Kizer, Hogan in 2018.
Agree on the QB early for us this draft unless we should sign Cousins, which I do not foresee. I know I'd spend the #1 overall on one, but Dorsey's tastes reportedly differ from mine, so...
Brees, Stafford and Smith aren't the only QBs to improve their stats, but I doubt "touch" development has been a major contributor to their improvement. Maybe in Stafford's case, he came into the league as a fairly strong-armed QB, but not Brees and Smith. Biggest contributor to a pro QB's progress is almost always Defense recognition.
Might Kizer still improve? Sure, but lotta areas, basic areas, like touch, before we get to the grad level stuff.
Well....I believe a third rounder is "fair market value" for him around the NFL.
What are your comps?
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lol... Realtor on the side?
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Trade down this year would be a great this
I'm hearing this in a Yoda voice
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A nice 3BR bungalow on about a quarter acre with a one car garage, 2 baths, central air, in an older gentrified neigborhood.
Say, make that a two car garage, fancy updated interior in a gated neighborhood, and give it to the new
fa qb to entice him to give us a chance at going to the playoffs next season ! (the Browns ARE going to the playoffs next season,
you know)
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A nice 3BR bungalow on about a quarter acre with a one car garage, 2 baths, central air, in an older gentrified neigborhood.
Say, make that a two car garage, fancy updated interior in a gated neighborhood, and give it to the new
fa qb to entice him to give us a chance at going to the playoffs next season ! (the Browns ARE going to the playoffs next season,
you know)
Say, make that a two car garage, fancy updated interior in a gated neighborhood, and give it to the new
fa qb to entice him to give us a chance at going to the playoffs next season ! (the Browns ARE going to the playoffs next season,
you know)
Something like that would not be "gentrified then...would it". Although, if it were in Bratenahl it might be considered that.
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I may be wrong, but I do believe that any year you can get a bundle of draft picks, including a #1 the following year, you will be better off in the long run doing the deal every time. With maybe the exception of a Luck or Manning staring you in the face. Could Rosen be that guy? Maybe? But any of the others, I truly doubt.
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I think our Brownies should be able to make a good QB deal out of thiis:
A ton of NFL Draft capital and some interesting tidbits:
- 2 picks in the Top 5
- 4 picks in the Top 35
- 5 picks in the Top 60
- 7 Picks in the Top 108 (Huge in a deep Draft where Top 100 picks are held in high esteem, Browns own a normal full Drafts of picks by pick #108)
- 4 sets of picks clustered near each other: 1 & 4, 33 & 35, 60 & 65 and 137 & 145
- 12 picks overall, though it wouldn't be a shock to see a few dealt for veterans or to move up.
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It is a concern, but I feel that there are a lot of guys who have developed their game in the NFL. Drew brees, Matt Stafford, and Alex smith have all increased their comp% by double digits over the course of their careers.
Also, I feel that Kizer is too young and under too much pressure to have the patience to throw with touch. It seems like every throw he makes is a “GO GO GO GO!!!” situation. Maybe Kizer will flame out, but letting him develop his game behind a guy like Alex Smith (who has increased his comp % by 17 points in his career) would allow the Browns to vastly improve the team around them and better both guy’s chances at success...
I will say this, however. I’d be shocked if Dorsey doesn’t draft a QB at 1 overall. Shocked to the point I would jump in the lake with uncle fester if they moved forward with a depth chart of Smith, Kizer, Hogan in 2018.
Agree on the QB early for us this draft unless we should sign Cousins, which I do not foresee. I know I'd spend the #1 overall on one, but Dorsey's tastes reportedly differ from mine, so...
Brees, Stafford and Smith aren't the only QBs to improve their stats, but I doubt "touch" development has been a major contributor to their improvement. Maybe in Stafford's case, he came into the league as a fairly strong-armed QB, but not Brees and Smith. Biggest contributor to a pro QB's progress is almost always Defense recognition.
Might Kizer still improve? Sure, but lotta areas, basic areas, like touch, before we get to the grad level stuff.
Well....I believe a third rounder is "fair market value" for him around the NFL.
What are your comps?
Agree on the QB early for us this draft unless we should sign Cousins, which I do not foresee. I know I'd spend the #1 overall on one, but Dorsey's tastes reportedly differ from mine, so...
Brees, Stafford and Smith aren't the only QBs to improve their stats, but I doubt "touch" development has been a major contributor to their improvement. Maybe in Stafford's case, he came into the league as a fairly strong-armed QB, but not Brees and Smith. Biggest contributor to a pro QB's progress is almost always Defense recognition.
Might Kizer still improve? Sure, but lotta areas, basic areas, like touch, before we get to the grad level stuff.
What are your comps?
As I said earlier, I think Kizers biggest problem was that he was in over his head and rushed. A guy who doesn’t have the experience to take what the defense is giving him/is always trying to play Superman won’t be able to reign in his mechanics. It’s the same in any sport, when you’re comfortable and confident you can allow muscle memory to take over, but when you’re flustered or unfocused it fuks your mechanics. Not saying that a comfortable/confident Kizer can be accurate, but a guy in way over his head has absolutely not chance at consistency.
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Agree on the QB early for us this draft unless we should sign Cousins, which I do not foresee. I know I'd spend the #1 overall on one, but Dorsey's tastes reportedly differ from mine, so...
Brees, Stafford and Smith aren't the only QBs to improve their stats, but I doubt "touch" development has been a major contributor to their improvement. Maybe in Stafford's case, he came into the league as a fairly strong-armed QB, but not Brees and Smith. Biggest contributor to a pro QB's progress is almost always Defense recognition.
Might Kizer still improve? Sure, but lotta areas, basic areas, like touch, before we get to the grad level stuff.
What are your comps?
As I said earlier, I think Kizers biggest problem was that he was in over his head and rushed. A guy who doesn’t have the experience to take what the defense is giving him/is always trying to play Superman won’t be able to reign in his mechanics. It’s the same in any sport, when you’re comfortable and confident you can allow muscle memory to take over, but when you’re flustered or unfocused it fuks your mechanics. Not saying that a comfortable/confident Kizer can be accurate, but a guy in way over his head has absolutely not chance at consistency.
As I said earlier, I think Kizers biggest problem was that he was in over his head and rushed. A guy who doesn’t have the experience to take what the defense is giving him/is always trying to play Superman won’t be able to reign in his mechanics. It’s the same in any sport, when you’re comfortable and confident you can allow muscle memory to take over, but when you’re flustered or unfocused it fuks your mechanics. Not saying that a comfortable/confident Kizer can be accurate, but a guy in way over his head has absolutely not chance at consistency.
Or what happens when you START a young rookie QB with little NCAA experience in the rough real world of the NFL.
Kizer will be better next year......if they have/get some deep threat WRs who don't drop everything. Wouldn't want the current bunch in my kitchen....*BANG, CRASH, BOOM*
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