Cousins would "seriously consider" the Browns
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As far as Smith, I wouldnt trade much for him because the Chiefs will cut him before the $20M cap hit takes effect. The only benefit in trading is taking him from another suitor, but how much is that worth for a mediocre 33-year old QB?
I believe Cousins is the better option. He's the immediate fix to our biggest problem of the last 20 years. There is NOBODY else out there that can do that for us...
As far as Smith, I wouldnt trade much for him because the Chiefs will cut him before the $20M cap hit takes effect. The only benefit in trading is taking him from another suitor, but how much is that worth for a mediocre 33-year old QB?
I believe Cousins is the better option. He's the immediate fix to our biggest problem of the last 20 years. There is NOBODY else out there that can do that for us...
definitely a good point here I've been trying to bring up. I'd be shocked if he was traded for anything less than a 3rd if they don't intend to make his salary work.
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As far as Smith, I wouldnt trade much for him because the Chiefs will cut him before the $20M cap hit takes effect. The only benefit in trading is taking him from another suitor, but how much is that worth for a mediocre 33-year old QB?
I believe Cousins is the better option. He's the immediate fix to our biggest problem of the last 20 years. There is NOBODY else out there that can do that for us...
As far as Smith, I wouldnt trade much for him because the Chiefs will cut him before the $20M cap hit takes effect. The only benefit in trading is taking him from another suitor, but how much is that worth for a mediocre 33-year old QB?
I believe Cousins is the better option. He's the immediate fix to our biggest problem of the last 20 years. There is NOBODY else out there that can do that for us...
You're not paying attention. Smith is 4 years older than Cousins and their stats are damn near identical. I wouldn't call a guy with a 104 qbr 26\5 TD\INT ratio and 4,000 yards passing "mediocre".
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As far as Smith, I wouldnt trade much for him because the Chiefs will cut him before the $20M cap hit takes effect. The only benefit in trading is taking him from another suitor, but how much is that worth for a mediocre 33-year old QB?
I believe Cousins is the better option. He's the immediate fix to our biggest problem of the last 20 years. There is NOBODY else out there that can do that for us...
You're not paying attention. Smith is 4 years older than Cousins and their stats are damn near identical. I wouldn't call a guy with a 104 qbr 26\5 TD\INT ratio and 4,000 yards passing "mediocre".
I wouldn't call a guy with a 104 qbr 26\5 TD\INT ratio and 4,000 yards passing "mediocre".
Oh, I would. Look at his complete body of work, the team around him, and his coach... Far better than what Cousins has been working with...
And for those who are saying "sure, bring Kirk in", do you love him so much you're willing to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL? Because that's what it's going to take. He's good, but not Rogers\ Brady good in my estimation.
Exactly why wouldn't we...? We need a QB and he's bet on himself, and put himself in this position by his work on the field, and not to mention still has a giant chip on his shoulder.. Dude can play, and I'd do just about anything to get us a QB like that...
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Cousins isnt going to be a brown. If he came to the browns it would come with a ton of guaranteed money and dorsey is going to take Rosen #1,so this makes no sense. A #1 overall draft pick and Cousins cant exist together. for obvious reasons
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Been all aboard the Cousins train since last year. Take him. Don't draft a QB.
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I wouldn't call a guy with a 104 qbr 26\5 TD\INT ratio and 4,000 yards passing "mediocre".
Oh, I would. Look at his complete body of work, the team around him, and his coach... Far better than what Cousins has been working with...
And for those who are saying "sure, bring Kirk in", do you love him so much you're willing to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL? Because that's what it's going to take. He's good, but not Rogers\ Brady good in my estimation.
Exactly why wouldn't we...? We need a QB and he's bet on himself, and put himself in this position by his work on the field, and not to mention still has a giant chip on his shoulder.. Dude can play, and I'd do just about anything to get us a QB like that...
Oh, I would. Look at his complete body of work, the team around him, and his coach... Far better than what Cousins has been working with...
Here come the excuses- he played on a better team...
Been all aboard the Cousins train since last year. Take him. Don't draft a QB.
I'm glad you're not Dorsey- because we ARE drafting a QB. The Cousins crowd has their minds made up, not much sense arguing any further. . This is my last thought on Kirk. HIs window of opportunity is going to be a lot shorter than Smith + rookie @ #1 overall. Are you guys assuming that he's going to be an anomaly like Tom Brady and be able to play at a Pro Bowl level for the next 10 years? I sure as hell wouldn't bet on that. Plus- Cousins best season to date has been 9-7.
My peanut gallery POV is the odds of Cousins winding up in Cleveland are on the level of Chiefs fans dreaming they're going to get two first round picks for Alex Smith. & speaking of- the Redskins (just to make life difficult for the Browns) could slap the non-exclusive franchise tag on Cousins. Sorry guys- we're not giving up two first round picks for Kirk. That would include this years #1 overall.
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@boo-fagley said:
He would play for the devil if it helped him get more money out of Washington.
And I'd take someone playing for the Devil to help teach our young QBs the game. God knows Kizer could've used a vet.
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If we land cousins, we could trade back with the Giants and get their 1st next year. Then we could trade that pick for the highest bidder of the Broncos and jets and take them for whatever they have. We'd still get a top 3 skill player and a ton players and picks
1. Giants- Rosen
2-Denver- Darnold
3- Indy- Chubb
4- CLE- Fitzpatrick/ Barkley/Josh Jackson
5- NYJ- Mayfield
6- CLE- Fitzpatrick/ Barkley/ Josh Jackson
That would be pretty unreal
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This is just smart business. His agent wants other potential buyers to believe that a team with tons of cap space and needing a QB is in the bidding. It would be nice if this was true but I have my doubts.
Not a fan of the Cousins option personally...
This is just smart business. His agent wants other potential buyers to believe that a team with tons of cap space and needing a QB is in the bidding.
This ^
Kirk... I know I keep you amused, but I feel I'm being used...
As far as Smith, I wouldnt trade much for him because the Chiefs will cut him before the $20M cap hit takes effect.
It shouldn't take much as IIRC there's $4mm in dead money at stake for KC. Of course competition for Smith's services will set the final trade price.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
If we land cousins, we could trade back with the Giants and get their 1st next year. Then we could trade that pick for the highest bidder of the Broncos and jets and take them for whatever they have. We'd still get a top 3 skill player and a ton players and picks
1. Giants- Rosen
2-Denver- Darnold
3- Indy- Chubb
4- CLE- Fitzpatrick/ Barkley/Josh Jackson
5- NYJ- Mayfield
6- CLE- Fitzpatrick/ Barkley/ Josh Jackson
That would be pretty unreal
If we land cousins, we could trade back with the Giants and get their 1st next year. Then we could trade that pick for the highest bidder of the Broncos and jets and take them for whatever they have. We'd still get a top 3 skill player and a ton players and picks
1. Giants- Rosen
2-Denver- Darnold
3- Indy- Chubb
4- CLE- Fitzpatrick/ Barkley/Josh Jackson
5- NYJ- Mayfield
6- CLE- Fitzpatrick/ Barkley/ Josh Jackson
That would be pretty unreal
Sorry if I'm not feeling the Cousins love.....
Yes, about as unreal as Kansas City fans thinking they can get two first round picks for Alex Smith. Flipping picks with the Giants nets you a second- max. The Giants will have no incentive to trade up- they'll just take the QB we don't. Or they'll know we aren't realistically taking a QB with Kirk on board.
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Not a fan of the Cousins option personally...
This is just smart business. His agent wants other potential buyers to believe that a team with tons of cap space and needing a QB is in the bidding.
This ^
Kirk... I know I keep you amused, but I feel I'm being used...
As far as Smith, I wouldnt trade much for him because the Chiefs will cut him before the $20M cap hit takes effect.
It shouldn't take much as IIRC there's $4mm in dead money at stake for KC. Of course competition for Smith's services will set the final trade price.
Not a fan of the Cousins option personally...
This ^
Kirk... I know I keep you amused, but I feel I'm being used...
It shouldn't take much as IIRC there's $4mm in dead money at stake for KC. Of course competition for Smith's services will set the final trade price.
I'm still having trouble with cap hit and dead money Tour. Am I right in thinking if KC trades Smith the $20 or so million cap hit goes away, but they're still on the hook for around $4 million in "dead money"?
But if they just cut him- he's owed the full amount?
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Not a fan of the Cousins option personally...
This ^
Kirk... I know I keep you amused, but I feel I'm being used...
It shouldn't take much as IIRC there's $4mm in dead money at stake for KC. Of course competition for Smith's services will set the final trade price.
I'm still having trouble with cap hit and dead money Tour. Am I right in thinking if KC trades Smith the $20 or so million cap hit goes away, but they're still on the hook for around $4 million in "dead money"?
But if they just cut him- he's owed the full amount?
I'm still having trouble with cap hit and dead money Tour. Am I right in thinking if KC trades Smith the $20 or so million cap hit goes away, but they're still on the hook for around $4 million in "dead money"?
But if they just cut him- he's owed the full amount?
Yes, if Alex is traded, his contract is traded and becomes his new team's responsibility... unless otherwise negotiated as part of the trade. We sometimes hear where the team the player is leaving eats part of the contract.
Dead money is all a team owes a player if they cut him prior to June 1st, i.e., it is true, guaranteed money. After June 1st the full amount for that season is guaranteed.
Clear as mud?
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So Cousins would "seriously consider" an offer from the Browns? Here's my take...
1) Kirk Cousins. Basically a "500 hitter"(8-8, 9-7)...a 30 year old Andy Dalton....Price tag "through the roof"??? Quite frankly, I would go after AJ McCarron LONG BEFORE I would pursue Cousins. AJ will be tons cheaper, was raised by our new QB Coach & knows Hue's system. Should I mention the $ difference & cap flexibility? Obviously, I am NOT a fan of the Cousins option.
2) Alex Smith. Trade for him, then overpay HIM. he has already shown he is a better QB than Cousins, a "team player" who will help develop the young QB we select #1, & will be here long enough to bring the young guy along while taking the Browns to a higher level than Cousins would.
My choice is Smith.
Mike
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So Cousins would "seriously consider" an offer from the Browns? Here's my take...
1) Kirk Cousins. Basically a "500 hitter"(8-8, 9-7)...a 30 year old Andy Dalton....Price tag "through the roof"??? Quite frankly, I would go after AJ McCarron LONG BEFORE I would pursue Cousins. AJ will be tons cheaper, was raised by our new QB Coach & knows Hue's system. Should I mention the $ difference & cap flexibility? Obviously, I am NOT a fan of the Cousins option.
2) Alex Smith. Trade for him, then overpay HIM. he has already shown he is a better QB than Cousins, a "team player" who will help develop the young QB we select #1, & will be here long enough to bring the young guy along while taking the Browns to a higher level than Cousins would.
My choice is Smith.
Mike
So Cousins would "seriously consider" an offer from the Browns. Here's my take...
1) Kirk Cousins. Basically a "500 hitter"(8-8, 9-7)...a 30 year old Andy Dalton....Price tag "through the roof"??? Quite frankly, I would go after AJ McCarron LONG BEFORE I would pursue Cousins. AJ will be tons cheaper, was raised by our new QB Coach & knows Hue's system. Should I mention the $ difference & cap flexibility?
2) Alex Smith. Trade for him, then overpay HIM. he has already shown he is a better QB than Cousins, a "team player" who will help develop the young QB we select #1, & will be here long enough to bring the young guy along while taking the Browns to a higher level than Cousins would.
Mike
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If we land cousins, we could trade back with the Giants and get their 1st next year. Then we could trade that pick for the highest bidder of the Broncos and jets and take them for whatever they have. We'd still get a top 3 skill player and a ton players and picks
1. Giants- Rosen
2-Denver- Darnold
3- Indy- Chubb
4- CLE- Fitzpatrick/ Barkley/Josh Jackson
5- NYJ- Mayfield
6- CLE- Fitzpatrick/ Barkley/ Josh Jackson
That would be pretty unreal
Sorry if I'm not feeling the Cousins love.....
Yes, about as unreal as Kansas City fans thinking they can get two first round picks for Alex Smith. Flipping picks with the Giants nets you a second- max. The Giants will have no incentive to trade up- they'll just take the QB we don't. Or they'll know we aren't realistically taking a QB with Kirk on board.
Sorry if I'm not feeling the Cousins love.....
Yes, about as unreal as Kansas City fans thinking they can get two first round picks for Alex Smith. Flipping picks with the Giants nets you a second- max. The Giants will have no incentive to trade up- they'll just take the QB we don't. Or they'll know we aren't realistically taking a QB with Kirk on board.
What's not to like about Cousins( says the guy from kentucky) at worst he's an above average QB. We need to stablize this franchise and he would give is the best opportunity to do so.
If the Giants fall in love with one of them they will give us whatever we want
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Sorry if I'm not feeling the Cousins love.....
Yes, about as unreal as Kansas City fans thinking they can get two first round picks for Alex Smith. Flipping picks with the Giants nets you a second- max. The Giants will have no incentive to trade up- they'll just take the QB we don't. Or they'll know we aren't realistically taking a QB with Kirk on board.
What's not to like about Cousins( says the guy from kentucky) at worst he's an above average QB. We need to stablize this franchise and he would give is the best opportunity to do so.
If the Giants fall in love with one of them they will give us whatever we want
1) What's not to like about Cousins( says the guy from kentucky) at worst he's an above average QB. We need to stabilize this franchise and he would give is the best opportunity to do so.
2) If the Giants fall in love with one of them they will give us whatever we want
I ain't from Kentucky- you have to go at least 50 miles south of Dayton to be considered that, and Louisville? You should know what's north or south of the Ohio River by now.
So regarding "stabilization" do you want 2-3 years out of Smith, or 5-6 out of Cousins? The stats are equal, that you've ignored.
1) An above average QB and you want to make him the highest paid QB in the NFL? Been drinking too much of that Kentucky moonshine? I've said it a bunch of times already- one of the guys I regularly discuss football with is an assistant manager at my Friday night hangout- The Pine Club. Happens to be a lifelong and serious Redskins fan- watches all the games, and his opinion is Cousins is overrated, and not worth anywhere near the money he's been commanding. Kirk has one thing going for him- he has the best agent in the biz. His "interest" in the Browns is only to drive up his market value- because he damn well knows the Browns have more available cash than anyone. He's also expressed his interest in remaining with the Redskins. Cousins is a (relatively) short term fix- at absolute top dollar. At the detriment of drafting a guy- who could easily be "the guy" for the next 10-12 years. I'll say this- I'm pushing 70 on the age meter, and I'm not old enough to remember Otto Graham ever playing for the Browns. It's way overdue for the Browns to draft, not back the Brinks up for a 5 year fix. About the time the Browns at the current rate they've been going will be ready to challenge for the Super Bowl- will be same time Cousins is going downhill fast. As Canton Mike just posted- Cousins hasn't shown HOF potential yet with a mediocre W\L record, but some of you want to pay him like Tom Brady +.
2) No they won't. There's even some chatter if we take Rosen\Darnold they may take Saquon Barkley. They'll be more than happy to sit at #2 (assuming we draft a QB) and take the one we don't want. If we don't take a qb, they have it made in the shade. Go look at the draft value chart- http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php the Giants second round pick is more than enough to flip picks with the Browns, even taking into account the "QB premium".
PS- in that scenario- I make that trade (pun intended) in a New York minute. We get Darnold or Rosen- the top two picks in the second round, with five overall on day two.
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I was making fun of my owns states reputation for kissing cousins.
I'm nit saying Cousins is worth the money for any other team but we really need to turn this thing around. We have to get competent quarterback play and if we have to over pay for it so be it. We need a culture change in the worst way
Alex Smith isn't on the same planet. He is on a great team and he is a system guy. I promise he will look like a turd in a browns uniform.
If the Giants think one of the 2 are their guy than they will throw the draft sheet out the window. They'll get in a bidding war with denver5, Jets6 or someone else. well ask for 3 1st round picks like Washington got and well settle for 2 and move back a spot.
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Oh, I would. Look at his complete body of work, the team around him, and his coach... Far better than what Cousins has been working with...
Here come the excuses- he played on a better team...
Been all aboard the Cousins train since last year. Take him. Don't draft a QB.
I'm glad you're not Dorsey- because we ARE drafting a QB. The Cousins crowd has their minds made up, not much sense arguing any further. . This is my last thought on Kirk. HIs window of opportunity is going to be a lot shorter than Smith + rookie @ #1 overall. Are you guys assuming that he's going to be an anomaly like Tom Brady and be able to play at a Pro Bowl level for the next 10 years? I sure as hell wouldn't bet on that. Plus- Cousins best season to date has been 9-7.
My peanut gallery POV is the odds of Cousins winding up in Cleveland are on the level of Chiefs fans dreaming they're going to get two first round picks for Alex Smith. & speaking of- the Redskins (just to make life difficult for the Browns) could slap the non-exclusive franchise tag on Cousins. Sorry guys- we're not giving up two first round picks for Kirk. That would include this years #1 overall.
Here come the excuses- he played on a better team...
I'm glad you're not Dorsey- because we ARE drafting a QB. The Cousins crowd has their minds made up, not much sense arguing any further. . This is my last thought on Kirk. HIs window of opportunity is going to be a lot shorter than Smith + rookie @ #1 overall. Are you guys assuming that he's going to be an anomaly like Tom Brady and be able to play at a Pro Bowl level for the next 10 years? I sure as hell wouldn't bet on that. Plus- Cousins best season to date has been 9-7.
My peanut gallery POV is the odds of Cousins winding up in Cleveland are on the level of Chiefs fans dreaming they're going to get two first round picks for Alex Smith. & speaking of- the Redskins (just to make life difficult for the Browns) could slap the non-exclusive franchise tag on Cousins. Sorry guys- we're not giving up two first round picks for Kirk. That would include this years #1 overall.
Yeah some pimple faced college kid is a much safer pick than a playoff QB....
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Here come the excuses- he played on a better team...
I'm glad you're not Dorsey- because we ARE drafting a QB. The Cousins crowd has their minds made up, not much sense arguing any further. . This is my last thought on Kirk. HIs window of opportunity is going to be a lot shorter than Smith + rookie @ #1 overall. Are you guys assuming that he's going to be an anomaly like Tom Brady and be able to play at a Pro Bowl level for the next 10 years? I sure as hell wouldn't bet on that. Plus- Cousins best season to date has been 9-7.
My peanut gallery POV is the odds of Cousins winding up in Cleveland are on the level of Chiefs fans dreaming they're going to get two first round picks for Alex Smith. & speaking of- the Redskins (just to make life difficult for the Browns) could slap the non-exclusive franchise tag on Cousins. Sorry guys- we're not giving up two first round picks for Kirk. That would include this years #1 overall.
Yeah some pimple faced college kid is a much safer pick than a playoff QB....
Yeah some pimple faced college kid is a much safer pick than a playoff QB....
Ha, go wish and hope your one year wonder can do the same with the Broncos. 7-9 $150 million.
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