Let's Ask This
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As we are now with no proven QB signed (I might change that order later if we do sign one and as I watch the combine/pro days).
1. Rosen-most ready to run a pro offense from day one
2.Rudolph
3. Darnold - for the long run I think he eventually becomes a Big Ben, but the Browns need a QB right now (get the experienced QB he rises to the top)
4. Mayfield because he is a sober JFF
5. Jackson- RGIV
6. Allen-has overrated written all over him
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Too early to figure out #2 thru #6...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
1 Smith
2 Cousins
3 Darnold
4 Rosen
5 Allen
6 Bradford
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Is it “which order should they be drafted” or “put these guys in order by who you want the Browns to take the most”?
You say it’s the former...and then you put Rosen at the bottom of the list because he mentioned he’d want to go to the right scenario and then saw that as a condemnation of Cleveland and only Cleveland, so I’m a little confused.
My answer for the former is:
1. Rosen
2. Darnold
3. Mayfield
4. Rudolph
5. Jackson
6. Allen
I don’t have an answer for the latter because it’s not so cut and dry.
Is it “which order should they be drafted” or “put these guys in order by who you want the Browns to take the most”?
You say it’s the former...and then you put Rosen at the bottom of the list because he mentioned he’d want to go to the right scenario and then saw that as a condemnation of Cleveland and only Cleveland, so I’m a little confused.
My answer for the former is:
1. Rosen
2. Darnold
3. Mayfield
4. Rudolph
5. Jackson
6. Allen
I don’t have an answer for the latter because it’s not so cut and dry.
I said "state which order you believe they SHOULD be drafted" ....not would be. In other words, state the order in which you think they will ultimately play the best in the NFL. And you failed to say who you were addressing.....as it could not have been me...as I think I had Rosen second.
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Too early to figure out #2 thru #6...
Apparently too early for you to figure out #1 as well...since you didn't say who you would want. Or is it a just a case of you being female again and expecting us to read your thoughts....and getting upset when we don't read them accurately. You know, because, we are men...and men don't have to want to need to tolerate this coy BS.
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Too early to figure out #2 thru #6...
Apparently too early for you to figure out #1 as well...since you didn't say who you would want. Or is it a just a case of you being female again and expecting us to read your thoughts....and getting upset when we don't read them accurately. You know, because, we are men...and men don't have to want to need to tolerate this coy BS.
Apparently too early for you to figure out #1 as well...since you didn't say who you would want. Or is it a just a case of you being female again and expecting us to read your thoughts....and getting upset when we don't read them accurately. You know, because, we are men...and men don't have to want to need to tolerate this coy BS.
Let me see. Karnac say..........................................................................Josh Rosen! Do I get the prize?
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Apparently too early for you to figure out #1 as well...since you didn't say who you would want. Or is it a just a case of you being female again and expecting us to read your thoughts....and getting upset when we don't read them accurately. You know, because, we are men...and men don't have to want to need to tolerate this coy BS.
Let me see. Karnac say..........................................................................Josh Rosen! Do I get the prize?
Let me see. Karnac say..........................................................................Josh Rosen! Do I get the prize?
Yes....and your prize is a date with Tour....since he is being female about everything....perhaps on your date you can get him to actually giving you a straight answer.
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I am not totally clear on the question, but will list the order of the qbs I would prefer the Browns take and at what pick if available:
2.1 Rudolph
2.3 Allen
2.30 Jackson
1.1 Rosen
Trade back to mid-1st for Mayfield
1.4 Darnold
3.1 Lock
4.1 White
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Too early to figure out #2 thru #6...
Apparently too early for you to figure out #1 as well...since you didn't say who you would want. Or is it a just a case of you being female again and expecting us to read your thoughts....and getting upset when we don't read them accurately. You know, because, we are men...and men don't have to want to need to tolerate this coy BS.
Apparently too early for you to figure out #1 as well...since you didn't say who you would want. Or is it a just a case of you being female again and expecting us to read your thoughts....and getting upset when we don't read them accurately. You know, because, we are men...and men don't have to want to need to tolerate this coy BS.
Ask anyone...
Unlike you I'm not a butterfly flitting from #1 to #1... post to post... thread to thread...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Too early to figure out #2 thru #6...
Apparently too early for you to figure out #1 as well...since you didn't say who you would want. Or is it a just a case of you being female again and expecting us to read your thoughts....and getting upset when we don't read them accurately. You know, because, we are men...and men don't have to want to need to tolerate this coy BS.
Apparently too early for you to figure out #1 as well...since you didn't say who you would want. Or is it a just a case of you being female again and expecting us to read your thoughts....and getting upset when we don't read them accurately. You know, because, we are men...and men don't have to want to need to tolerate this coy BS.
Tour has Tour-eggs Syndrome:
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lol... yeah, if I'm known for one thing around here, it's being shy about sharing my opinions.
Issue is right now I don't have an opinion informed enough to rank 2-6. While I've done some work on, watched some tape of all the usual suspects, I was so blown away by Rosen's tape that I stopped looking at the rest.
About all I can say is I am pretty sure Darnold is not my #2.
I'll be jump-starting my assessments after Sr. Bowl Week... at least that's how it's worked in the past.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
the reality is, as usual, none of us know. It's best to just take Rosen and hope for the best. Just as in 2016 it'snow clear we should have taken Wentz and hoped for the best.
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yet, Josh Allen threw for 45 TD's in his career, Wentz threw for 44. Allen would surely sit for a year, Wentz didn't have to.
Nobody knows. It's best to avoid red flags for that reason. Even without red flags, it's taking a chance on qb's.
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As we are now with no proven QB signed (I might change that order later if we do sign one and as I watch the combine/pro days).
1. Rosen-most ready to run a pro offense from day one
2.Rudolph
3. Darnold - for the long run I think he eventually becomes a Big Ben, but the Browns need a QB right now (get the experienced QB he rises to the top)
4. Mayfield because he is a sober JFF
5. Jackson- RGIV
6. Allen-has overrated written all over him
As we are now with no proven QB signed (I might change that order later if we do sign one and as I watch the combine/pro days).
1. Rosen-most ready to run a pro offense from day one
2.Rudolph
3. Darnold - for the long run I think he eventually becomes a Big Ben, but the Browns need a QB right now (get the experienced QB he rises to the top)
4. Mayfield because he is a sober JFF
5. Jackson- RGIV
6. Allen-has overrated written all over him
Are you saying that Darnold will be the better QB in the future, but not right away?
I dont know who will be better, but you draft players for the future, not the present. Unless that 1 player for a year or 2 takes you over the top to a championship.
The goal for the organization shouldn't be to win x number of games, or even to make the playoffs, the goal for every team should be to win a championship
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As we are now with no proven QB signed (I might change that order later if we do sign one and as I watch the combine/pro days).
1. Rosen-most ready to run a pro offense from day one
2.Rudolph
3. Darnold - for the long run I think he eventually becomes a Big Ben, but the Browns need a QB right now (get the experienced QB he rises to the top)
4. Mayfield because he is a sober JFF
5. Jackson- RGIV
6. Allen-has overrated written all over him
Are you saying that Darnold will be the better QB in the future, but not right away?
I dont know who will be better, but you draft players for the future, not the present. Unless that 1 player for a year or 2 takes you over the top to a championship.
The goal for the organization shouldn't be to win x number of games, or even to make the playoffs, the goal for every team should be to win a championship
Are you saying that Darnold will be the better QB in the future, but not right away?
I dont know who will be better, but you draft players for the future, not the present. Unless that 1 player for a year or 2 takes you over the top to a championship.
The goal for the organization shouldn't be to win x number of games, or even to make the playoffs, the goal for every team should be to win a championship
Darnold has a very strong and accurate arm, but he has to learn to tame his happy feet and use the pocket the way Rosen (And Big Ben) use the pocket while going through progressions. It takes time to learn do that. He has everything else you need, but with the Browns he needs time and without an experienced QB to play behind to buy that time, he just could crash and never recover. With the right team and the right mentor, I think he becomes the next Big Ben. That is the way I would do it if I were the Browns GM. Got to find a way to get Smith on this team. If you can't add that experienced QB then you go with the best pocket passer now, which is Rosen. I just wish he were built a little more sturdy like Darnold.
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Are you saying that Darnold will be the better QB in the future, but not right away?
I dont know who will be better, but you draft players for the future, not the present. Unless that 1 player for a year or 2 takes you over the top to a championship.
The goal for the organization shouldn't be to win x number of games, or even to make the playoffs, the goal for every team should be to win a championship
Darnold has a very strong and accurate arm, but he has to learn to tame his happy feet and use the pocket the way Rosen (And Big Ben) use the pocket while going through progressions. It takes time to learn do that. He has everything else you need, but with the Browns he needs time and without an experienced QB to play behind to buy that time, he just could crash and never recover. With the right team and the right mentor, I think he becomes the next Big Ben. That is the way I would do it if I were the Browns GM. Got to find a way to get Smith on this team. If you can't add that experienced QB then you go with the best pocket passer now, which is Rosen. I just wish he were built a little more sturdy like Darnold.
Darnold has a very strong and accurate arm, but he has to learn to tame his happy feet and use the pocket the way Rosen (And Big Ben) use the pocket while going through progressions. It takes time to learn do that. He has everything else you need, but with the Browns he needs time and without an experienced QB to play behind to buy that time, he just could crash and never recover. With the right team and the right mentor, I think he becomes the next Big Ben. That is the way I would do it if I were the Browns GM. Got to find a way to get Smith on this team. If you can't add that experienced QB then you go with the best pocket passer now, which is Rosen. I just wish he were built a little more sturdy like Darnold.
I think you are missing my point. If it is your opinion that Darnold will be the best pro in the future, you don't take Rosen just because he is more ready now. It's hard for die-hard fans to imagine, but this team isn't winning it all next year, so you take what is best for future, not the present. Next year doesn't mean nearly as much as next 10 years
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the reality is, as usual, none of us know. It's best to just take Rosen and hope for the best. Just as in 2016 it'snow clear we should have taken Wentz and hoped for the best.
the reality is, as usual, none of us know. It's best to just take Rosen and hope for the best. Just as in 2016 it'snow clear we should have taken Wentz and hoped for the best.
True, but I find it to be a lot more fun to do what I can to try to know and post what I've learned than repeatedly post, "None of us know."
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Darnold has a very strong and accurate arm, but he has to learn to tame his happy feet and use the pocket the way Rosen (And Big Ben) use the pocket while going through progressions. It takes time to learn do that. He has everything else you need, but with the Browns he needs time and without an experienced QB to play behind to buy that time, he just could crash and never recover. With the right team and the right mentor, I think he becomes the next Big Ben. That is the way I would do it if I were the Browns GM. Got to find a way to get Smith on this team. If you can't add that experienced QB then you go with the best pocket passer now, which is Rosen. I just wish he were built a little more sturdy like Darnold.
I think you are missing my point. If it is your opinion that Darnold will be the best pro in the future, you don't take Rosen just because he is more ready now. It's hard for die-hard fans to imagine, but this team isn't winning it all next year, so you take what is best for future, not the present. Next year doesn't mean nearly as much as next 10 years
I think you are missing my point. If it is your opinion that Darnold will be the best pro in the future, you don't take Rosen just because he is more ready now. It's hard for die-hard fans to imagine, but this team isn't winning it all next year, so you take what is best for future, not the present. Next year doesn't mean nearly as much as next 10 years
My concern for Rosen is durability. I think Darnold will be around the league a lot longer, but he has a lot to learn. But Huey will screw him up by putting him in well ahead of when he's ready. THAT is my point. I don't trust this coach to do it right with Darnold. He'll be better off somewhere else unfortunately. And next year may not mean much to you, but it WILL to Huey loser. For Darnold's sake please pass on him.
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